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		<title>By: Ashlee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84226</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADD...on a sadder note...eventually the fundies want this to literally be true......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADD&#8230;on a sadder note&#8230;eventually the fundies want this to literally be true&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84225</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and did anyone else think that maybe being in prison was a bigger factor in the prisoners’ depression than their abortions were?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But don&#039;t you see -- being in prison was CAUSED by their abortion! /snark
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, and did anyone else think that maybe being in prison was a bigger factor in the prisoners’ depression than their abortions were?</p></blockquote>
<p>But don&#8217;t you see &#8212; being in prison was CAUSED by their abortion! /snark</p>
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		<title>By: Lazer</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84164</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like walking under a ladder, having a heart-attack and then blaming the heart-attack on walking under the ladder.
&lt;blockquote&gt;“In America we have a big drug problem, and we don’t realize it’s because of abortion.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wow.  So all the drug-addicts are addicted because they have all had abortions!  Yes, even the men!!! *smashes head on keyboard*
I don&#039;t think they know, but there&#039;s also this little thing called post-partum depression.  I&#039;ve heard so many stories of women unwillingly murdering their (already-born) babies by dashing them against walls and such.  And apparently these were all extreme cases of post-partum depression.  So yeah, you&#039;d think then that these &quot;abortion-recovery&quot; people would want to ban childbirth as a whole because post-partum depression makes women feel terrible AND kills babies (in extreme cases only, but never mind that!!!)  And as it said somewhere in there, it turns out that the incidence rates for post-partum and post-abortion depression are equal.  
*sigh* this is but one of the many ridiculous &quot;arguments&quot; that these people never tire of throwing at our faces hoping we&#039;ll buy into them.  I can&#039;t stand it when these women are being prodded by these reactionnaries into using abortion as a catch-all for their lives&#039; problems, in order for them to be used as pawns, or as proof that &quot;see?! even the WOMEN support us, take that feminists!!!&quot;  Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like walking under a ladder, having a heart-attack and then blaming the heart-attack on walking under the ladder.</p>
<blockquote><p>“In America we have a big drug problem, and we don’t realize it’s because of abortion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow.  So all the drug-addicts are addicted because they have all had abortions!  Yes, even the men!!! *smashes head on keyboard*<br />
I don&#8217;t think they know, but there&#8217;s also this little thing called post-partum depression.  I&#8217;ve heard so many stories of women unwillingly murdering their (already-born) babies by dashing them against walls and such.  And apparently these were all extreme cases of post-partum depression.  So yeah, you&#8217;d think then that these &#8220;abortion-recovery&#8221; people would want to ban childbirth as a whole because post-partum depression makes women feel terrible AND kills babies (in extreme cases only, but never mind that!!!)  And as it said somewhere in there, it turns out that the incidence rates for post-partum and post-abortion depression are equal.<br />
*sigh* this is but one of the many ridiculous &#8220;arguments&#8221; that these people never tire of throwing at our faces hoping we&#8217;ll buy into them.  I can&#8217;t stand it when these women are being prodded by these reactionnaries into using abortion as a catch-all for their lives&#8217; problems, in order for them to be used as pawns, or as proof that &#8220;see?! even the WOMEN support us, take that feminists!!!&#8221;  Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Pesh</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84149</link>
		<dc:creator>Pesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add, that one of the things I also noted (on those abortion discussion forums) was that quite a few women felt that in order to be a good person, they had to feel regret and sadness about their abortion...  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add, that one of the things I also noted (on those abortion discussion forums) was that quite a few women felt that in order to be a good person, they had to feel regret and sadness about their abortion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pesh</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84146</link>
		<dc:creator>Pesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider my abortion one of the BEST DECISIONS I have ever made - and that&#039;s with 25+ years hindsight... I have never had a moment of regret, to the contrary I&#039;m glad I made that choice, and didn&#039;t buy into the societal messages about how ALL women want to be mothers (not true) or the sanctity of life (as far as I&#039;m concerned it is a biological process) or that women don&#039;t have a right to make decisions about their own life and bodies because some stranger &quot;believes differently.&quot;

Yes, yes, and yes again to the comments that a big part of the trauma is because of this silly societal message that abortion is wrong that is rammed down women&#039;s throats.  And to not connect the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy (and the life circumstances that may have led up to that) with (if there are) feelings of regret, to me is distinctly lacking in self-awareness.

Listen in (and help if you can) on some of the web forums set up to help women make the decision to abort or not to abort -- I noted a distinct difference between those who said they had regret (they weren&#039;t able to articulate the reasons for their decision and were looking to blame others for their choice) and those that did not feel regret (they may not have liked their choice, but they knew that it was their choice, and that they had control over their own lives.)  Now that is generalizing, but the difference in response struck me significantly.

What is wrong is the arrogance of women who think that everyone MUST think and feel and experience the way that they do because that is &quot;their&quot; belief system or experience.

I wish for all women belief in themselves and their abilities...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider my abortion one of the BEST DECISIONS I have ever made &#8211; and that&#8217;s with 25+ years hindsight&#8230; I have never had a moment of regret, to the contrary I&#8217;m glad I made that choice, and didn&#8217;t buy into the societal messages about how ALL women want to be mothers (not true) or the sanctity of life (as far as I&#8217;m concerned it is a biological process) or that women don&#8217;t have a right to make decisions about their own life and bodies because some stranger &#8220;believes differently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, yes, and yes again to the comments that a big part of the trauma is because of this silly societal message that abortion is wrong that is rammed down women&#8217;s throats.  And to not connect the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy (and the life circumstances that may have led up to that) with (if there are) feelings of regret, to me is distinctly lacking in self-awareness.</p>
<p>Listen in (and help if you can) on some of the web forums set up to help women make the decision to abort or not to abort &#8212; I noted a distinct difference between those who said they had regret (they weren&#8217;t able to articulate the reasons for their decision and were looking to blame others for their choice) and those that did not feel regret (they may not have liked their choice, but they knew that it was their choice, and that they had control over their own lives.)  Now that is generalizing, but the difference in response struck me significantly.</p>
<p>What is wrong is the arrogance of women who think that everyone MUST think and feel and experience the way that they do because that is &#8220;their&#8221; belief system or experience.</p>
<p>I wish for all women belief in themselves and their abilities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FashionablyEvil</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/21/post-abortion-syndrome/#comment-84145</link>
		<dc:creator>FashionablyEvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bazelon doesn&#039;t add it up in the article, but the woman she&#039;s profiling has had &lt;strong&gt;eight&lt;/strong&gt; pregnancies (3 children living with her, 4 abortions, and a child given up for adoption).  Maybe she would have been better served by programs that support pregnant women who are in abusive relationships, struggle with addiction, etc., rather than by programs that make women feel guilty for having abortions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bazelon doesn&#8217;t add it up in the article, but the woman she&#8217;s profiling has had <strong>eight</strong> pregnancies (3 children living with her, 4 abortions, and a child given up for adoption).  Maybe she would have been better served by programs that support pregnant women who are in abusive relationships, struggle with addiction, etc., rather than by programs that make women feel guilty for having abortions.</p>
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		<title>By: maatnofret</title>
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		<dc:creator>maatnofret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elysabethe:

Another TV abortion moment that I appreciated was in the now-defunct show &quot;Six Feet Under.&quot; Claire, the youngest daughter, finds out that she is pregnant after an ugly breakup. (Her reaction to the positive pregnancy test was also accurate: she looks at it as says, &quot;Shit.&quot;) 

Claire didn&#039;t torture herself over her decision. She was pretty businesslike about the whole thingm, scheduling the abortinon as soon as she knew. Her biggest problem was finding a ride to the clinic.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elysabethe:</p>
<p>Another TV abortion moment that I appreciated was in the now-defunct show &#8220;Six Feet Under.&#8221; Claire, the youngest daughter, finds out that she is pregnant after an ugly breakup. (Her reaction to the positive pregnancy test was also accurate: she looks at it as says, &#8220;Shit.&#8221;) </p>
<p>Claire didn&#8217;t torture herself over her decision. She was pretty businesslike about the whole thingm, scheduling the abortinon as soon as she knew. Her biggest problem was finding a ride to the clinic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ledasmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ledasmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Abstinence works better than birth control, really,” she said. “It’s just that people don’t do it.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, yes, that is a problem, isn&#039;t it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this quote:</p>
<blockquote><p> “Abstinence works better than birth control, really,” she said. “It’s just that people don’t do it.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes, that is a problem, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: lizzie bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizzie bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaaahh... the use of &quot;contaminate&quot; in that quote...like women are literally a disease that must be isolated from Teh Preshus Feti. 

I just ran the gauntlet at a Planned Parenthood, and this makes me even sicker. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaaahh&#8230; the use of &#8220;contaminate&#8221; in that quote&#8230;like women are literally a disease that must be isolated from Teh Preshus Feti. </p>
<p>I just ran the gauntlet at a Planned Parenthood, and this makes me even sicker.</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that someone already pointed out how sad it is that Arias blames abortion for her problems, rather than the men who actually abused her. Because she could have controlled herself, but they couldn&#039;t control their own actions.

And I love the quote by Koop:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Nor did Koop believe that the anti-abortion cause would be served by shifting its focus to the suffering of women. “As soon as you contaminate the morality of your stand by getting worried about the health effects of abortion on women, you have weakened the whole thing,” he said at the time in an interview with the Rutherford Institute, a conservative law center. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Koop believes we must concentrate all moral arguments on feti- the suffering of women does not deserve moral or ethical consideration. This seems like the essence of the anti-abortion movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that someone already pointed out how sad it is that Arias blames abortion for her problems, rather than the men who actually abused her. Because she could have controlled herself, but they couldn&#8217;t control their own actions.</p>
<p>And I love the quote by Koop:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nor did Koop believe that the anti-abortion cause would be served by shifting its focus to the suffering of women. “As soon as you contaminate the morality of your stand by getting worried about the health effects of abortion on women, you have weakened the whole thing,” he said at the time in an interview with the Rutherford Institute, a conservative law center.
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<p>Koop believes we must concentrate all moral arguments on feti- the suffering of women does not deserve moral or ethical consideration. This seems like the essence of the anti-abortion movement.</p>
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