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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Helen on Why Men and Women Don&#8217;t Want Sex</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Duckling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duckling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I say, that when that day comes, and it will; every man should take the children and leave these women to be raped or killed while we save the children and let them populate a new and more equal society established upon a sublime rationality that was once called—self sacrificial and self effacing love.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;So if the men all run off with the children, who’s going to be raping all the women? There aren’t that many women who go around sexually assaulting other women. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don&#039;t you know - rape is caused by women wearing provocative clothing, drinking and going outside.  Usually it is men&#039;s duty to use their rationality to protect women from themselves, but with all the men gone, imagine how the rape rates would escalate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I say, that when that day comes, and it will; every man should take the children and leave these women to be raped or killed while we save the children and let them populate a new and more equal society established upon a sublime rationality that was once called—self sacrificial and self effacing love.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>So if the men all run off with the children, who’s going to be raping all the women? There aren’t that many women who go around sexually assaulting other women. </p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you know &#8211; rape is caused by women wearing provocative clothing, drinking and going outside.  Usually it is men&#8217;s duty to use their rationality to protect women from themselves, but with all the men gone, imagine how the rape rates would escalate!</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;which I’ll bet none of you would have a problem recognizing if a man was consistently withholding any kind of communication or emotional support from his wife&lt;/i&gt;

MQ, it may shock you to know that some women do, in fact, like sex,and that men need communication and emotional support. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>which I’ll bet none of you would have a problem recognizing if a man was consistently withholding any kind of communication or emotional support from his wife</i></p>
<p>MQ, it may shock you to know that some women do, in fact, like sex,and that men need communication and emotional support.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To the frustrated and angry men out there may I suggest you start with a little unfeigned affection (if you can muster it)&lt;/i&gt; - Magis

Unfeigned affection is a bit much to manage for someone who&#039;s forsaken love for the Rhinegold ;) (look up the title of my blog in case you don&#039;t get the joke).

&lt;i&gt;and perhaps a nice back rub.&lt;/i&gt;

Back rubs -- the gift that really is (almost) as nice to give as to receive.  Is it just me or does giving a backrub have almost the same relaxing effect on one&#039;s back as receiving one?  Oy ... I&#039;d love to give and/or receive a backrub right about now ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To the frustrated and angry men out there may I suggest you start with a little unfeigned affection (if you can muster it)</i> &#8211; Magis</p>
<p>Unfeigned affection is a bit much to manage for someone who&#8217;s forsaken love for the Rhinegold ;) (look up the title of my blog in case you don&#8217;t get the joke).</p>
<p><i>and perhaps a nice back rub.</i></p>
<p>Back rubs &#8212; the gift that really is (almost) as nice to give as to receive.  Is it just me or does giving a backrub have almost the same relaxing effect on one&#8217;s back as receiving one?  Oy &#8230; I&#8217;d love to give and/or receive a backrub right about now ;)</p>
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		<title>By: evil fizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>evil fizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MQ, have you been reading this thread?  The issues of withholding have been well hashed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MQ, have you been reading this thread?  The issues of withholding have been well hashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key word, MQ: &lt;strong&gt;Unrestrained&lt;/strong&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key word, MQ: <strong>Unrestrained</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But clearly, they’re just being selfish by not allowing their husbands unrestrained sexual access, even if the sex sucks...&quot;

Well, honestly, wives are being selfish if they don&#039;t allow their husbands sexual access. Sex is part of marriage and relationships. If you don&#039;t engage in it, you&#039;re selfishly withholding something that is essential to the health of the relationship. It&#039;s like any other form of communication or sharing -- to refuse to give your partner emotional support and to engage in the &quot;silent treatment&quot; is a selfish act. At the extreme, it becomes a form of emotional abuse, which I&#039;ll bet none of you would have a problem recognizing if a man was consistently withholding any kind of communication or emotional support from his wife. Of course, none of this means you&#039;re going to be talking 24/7 or having sex every night, or even every week.  A relationship that didn&#039;t allow both partners occasional space for some needed personal selfishness at times wouldn&#039;t be very healthy.

Now, if the sex sucks, there&#039;s a problem, and it&#039;s your duty to eventually engage around the problem and try to improve it. Otherwise you&#039;re checking out of the relationship. Once you reach that point, you have to either really leave and give the other person a chance to move on, or get the help you need to get engaged in the give and take of relationship again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But clearly, they’re just being selfish by not allowing their husbands unrestrained sexual access, even if the sex sucks&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, honestly, wives are being selfish if they don&#8217;t allow their husbands sexual access. Sex is part of marriage and relationships. If you don&#8217;t engage in it, you&#8217;re selfishly withholding something that is essential to the health of the relationship. It&#8217;s like any other form of communication or sharing &#8212; to refuse to give your partner emotional support and to engage in the &#8220;silent treatment&#8221; is a selfish act. At the extreme, it becomes a form of emotional abuse, which I&#8217;ll bet none of you would have a problem recognizing if a man was consistently withholding any kind of communication or emotional support from his wife. Of course, none of this means you&#8217;re going to be talking 24/7 or having sex every night, or even every week.  A relationship that didn&#8217;t allow both partners occasional space for some needed personal selfishness at times wouldn&#8217;t be very healthy.</p>
<p>Now, if the sex sucks, there&#8217;s a problem, and it&#8217;s your duty to eventually engage around the problem and try to improve it. Otherwise you&#8217;re checking out of the relationship. Once you reach that point, you have to either really leave and give the other person a chance to move on, or get the help you need to get engaged in the give and take of relationship again.</p>
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		<title>By: Teunis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teunis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original speaker is a waste of skin.  Good on him for not pursuing women - it&#039;s berks like him that make life hades for those of us who think that talking is more than just &quot;our way is the only way&quot;.  The dude&#039;s a coward, doesn&#039;t know how to listen and isn&#039;t aware of other folks.

Love the comments.

I&#039;d be a men&#039;s right&#039;s activist - but I honestly can&#039;t think of any rights that I&#039;d want that the feminist movement already hasn&#039;t made for me.  So I&#039;ll just continue on pushing for women&#039;s rights because honestly I can&#039;t see how I&#039;d lose doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original speaker is a waste of skin.  Good on him for not pursuing women &#8211; it&#8217;s berks like him that make life hades for those of us who think that talking is more than just &#8220;our way is the only way&#8221;.  The dude&#8217;s a coward, doesn&#8217;t know how to listen and isn&#8217;t aware of other folks.</p>
<p>Love the comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be a men&#8217;s right&#8217;s activist &#8211; but I honestly can&#8217;t think of any rights that I&#8217;d want that the feminist movement already hasn&#8217;t made for me.  So I&#8217;ll just continue on pushing for women&#8217;s rights because honestly I can&#8217;t see how I&#8217;d lose doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Magis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I wasn&#039;t so late to this.  Some geezer observations.  Women are not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; hard to get off.  Women&#039;s sexuality is not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; mysterious.  Women love getting their guys off (yes there are the selfish of both sexs but not many).  Women have as much (or more) performance anxiety than men.

To the frustrated and angry men out there may I suggest you start with a little unfeigned affection (if you can muster it) and perhaps a nice back rub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I wasn&#8217;t so late to this.  Some geezer observations.  Women are not <i>that</i> hard to get off.  Women&#8217;s sexuality is not <i>that</i> mysterious.  Women love getting their guys off (yes there are the selfish of both sexs but not many).  Women have as much (or more) performance anxiety than men.</p>
<p>To the frustrated and angry men out there may I suggest you start with a little unfeigned affection (if you can muster it) and perhaps a nice back rub.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Matthew, what exactly were the commenters trying to say?  What do you think we&#039;re all missing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Matthew, what exactly were the commenters trying to say?  What do you think we&#8217;re all missing here?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through the comments above and the responses to them and what struck me most is that the person responding wasn&#039;t really looking at what the commentors had to say.  Easy to quickly dismiss them, but harder to really look at what they are saying.

Yes, some of those comments were daft ... but not all of them.

It would help if people were able to truely listen to both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through the comments above and the responses to them and what struck me most is that the person responding wasn&#8217;t really looking at what the commentors had to say.  Easy to quickly dismiss them, but harder to really look at what they are saying.</p>
<p>Yes, some of those comments were daft &#8230; but not all of them.</p>
<p>It would help if people were able to truely listen to both sides.</p>
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