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	<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/</link>
	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Avedon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86851</link>
		<dc:creator>Avedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://exposetheleft.com/images/danriehl.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This guy&lt;/a&gt;?  Gosh, I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;so sorry&lt;/em&gt; you might miss your chance with &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;.  Oh, wait, I&#039;m not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://exposetheleft.com/images/danriehl.JPG" rel="nofollow">This guy</a>?  Gosh, I&#8217;m <em>so sorry</em> you might miss your chance with <em>that</em>.  Oh, wait, I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: blondie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86793</link>
		<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But see, as Hitchens has already explained, woman just aren&#039;t funny.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But see, as Hitchens has already explained, woman just aren&#8217;t funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86786</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What everyone forgets is that the Shannon Elizabeth thing was a joke in the first place, funny because Amanda got these results during a regular love/hate fest with Jeff Goldstein, who happened to write lots of conceptual pieces about Shannon Elizabeth at the time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s funny is when it was pointed out repeatedly to Riehl that a lot of this stuff is a joke and, you know, funny, he called Jessica a bad feminist for being cheeky.  Classic double bind.  Feminists don&#039;t have a sense of humor!  This feminist does and that means she doesn&#039;t take sexism seriously!  Feminists are sluts!  And they&#039;re man-hating prudes! VAGINA DENTATA!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What everyone forgets is that the Shannon Elizabeth thing was a joke in the first place, funny because Amanda got these results during a regular love/hate fest with Jeff Goldstein, who happened to write lots of conceptual pieces about Shannon Elizabeth at the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s funny is when it was pointed out repeatedly to Riehl that a lot of this stuff is a joke and, you know, funny, he called Jessica a bad feminist for being cheeky.  Classic double bind.  Feminists don&#8217;t have a sense of humor!  This feminist does and that means she doesn&#8217;t take sexism seriously!  Feminists are sluts!  And they&#8217;re man-hating prudes! VAGINA DENTATA!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Esme</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86774</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, I too have developed a fetish for sea-going ships since graduating college. I spend many a weekend in San Diego with my binoculars, gazing upon the steel bulwarks of the naval ships in the bay. I, however, do not restrict myself to ships of just one gender–so called “genderized-naval gazing” has no place among true aficionados.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I started laughing, couldn&#039;t breathe, got something in my throat, and started hacking. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, I too have developed a fetish for sea-going ships since graduating college. I spend many a weekend in San Diego with my binoculars, gazing upon the steel bulwarks of the naval ships in the bay. I, however, do not restrict myself to ships of just one gender–so called “genderized-naval gazing” has no place among true aficionados.</p></blockquote>
<p>I started laughing, couldn&#8217;t breathe, got something in my throat, and started hacking. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86770</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, it’s sort of interesting that the exact comment thread that this post spawned out of - is the child of a post that really does little more than point out attractive bloggers and says “hey, these girls are hot and I want them to know that I think they’re hot”… But its alright, because hes on our side.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I don&#039;t agree with that assessment at all.  Alon was being ironic, for one thing, and also pointing out that the &quot;You must be an ugly man-hater!&quot; charge can&#039;t stick to either Jessica or Amanda because both of them are attractive by any conventional standard.

Also, his last paragraph pointed up the absurdity of the standards  of someone like Riehl; nothing will make him happy.  If the people you hire are unattractive women, they must be man-hating jealous dykes; if they&#039;re attractive, they must be unserious.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, it’s sort of interesting that the exact comment thread that this post spawned out of &#8211; is the child of a post that really does little more than point out attractive bloggers and says “hey, these girls are hot and I want them to know that I think they’re hot”… But its alright, because hes on our side.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t agree with that assessment at all.  Alon was being ironic, for one thing, and also pointing out that the &#8220;You must be an ugly man-hater!&#8221; charge can&#8217;t stick to either Jessica or Amanda because both of them are attractive by any conventional standard.</p>
<p>Also, his last paragraph pointed up the absurdity of the standards  of someone like Riehl; nothing will make him happy.  If the people you hire are unattractive women, they must be man-hating jealous dykes; if they&#8217;re attractive, they must be unserious.</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86768</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, I posted on his comments thread, which actually is pretty damn amusing for the onslaught he&#039;s received.  JC makes fun of him as well and of course, he uses JC&#039;s photo shopping of him (donning him as Fred Flintstone for his global warming denials) as an excuse/comparison for his school boy poking of Amanda.  

Nevermind that it just underscores how he has apparently been completely unable to understand the context of Amanda&#039;s post and photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, I posted on his comments thread, which actually is pretty damn amusing for the onslaught he&#8217;s received.  JC makes fun of him as well and of course, he uses JC&#8217;s photo shopping of him (donning him as Fred Flintstone for his global warming denials) as an excuse/comparison for his school boy poking of Amanda.  </p>
<p>Nevermind that it just underscores how he has apparently been completely unable to understand the context of Amanda&#8217;s post and photo.</p>
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		<title>By: evil fizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>evil fizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zuzu, if they&#039;re getting really colorful, perhaps it&#039;s time for another round of &quot;From the Special Moderation Queue!&quot;

We could even have troll bingo cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zuzu, if they&#8217;re getting really colorful, perhaps it&#8217;s time for another round of &#8220;From the Special Moderation Queue!&#8221;</p>
<p>We could even have troll bingo cards.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86747</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, seriously folks we all know he really just wants to come out and call her a dyke &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, we&#039;ve got a loser in the moderation queue who comes right out and says it.  Even includes jean shorts and workboots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, seriously folks we all know he really just wants to come out and call her a dyke </p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, we&#8217;ve got a loser in the moderation queue who comes right out and says it.  Even includes jean shorts and workboots.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86742</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Broadened&quot;? Get it? Or was he trying to make a fat joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Broadened&#8221;? Get it? Or was he trying to make a fat joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Socraticsilence@hotmail.com</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/06/when-in-hole-stop-digging/#comment-86732</link>
		<dc:creator>Socraticsilence@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  But, seriously folks we all know he really just wants to come out and call her a dyke (forgive the terminology, but in this case crudity is necessary to convey the proper feeling-- the entire purpose of course of my disclaimer is to pre-empt the sort of witch hunt the Wingnuts appear to be engaged in with Amanda at the moment).  Because let&#039;s, face it she&#039;d have to be either Sapphic or a narcissist to pursue a Graduate degree in Gender Studies (though, admittedly this raises an interesting point, that is to say I&#039;d like to see real apply this same paradigm to an African- American Athlete in African-American studies* , somehow I have the feeling even Riehl would see how inherently prejudiced his statements were.)

*Though admittedly most jocks taking the class aren&#039;t exactly pursuing it in order to become the next West, just as most white jocks taking sociology aren&#039;t planning on following in the footsteps of Hoffer. (As, an aside my favorite &quot;Jock Major&quot; was the one pursued by one of my favorite UF Football players &quot;Recreation Management&quot; which honestly sounds like a high-falutin&#039; term for  party planner and/or a drug dealer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, seriously folks we all know he really just wants to come out and call her a dyke (forgive the terminology, but in this case crudity is necessary to convey the proper feeling&#8211; the entire purpose of course of my disclaimer is to pre-empt the sort of witch hunt the Wingnuts appear to be engaged in with Amanda at the moment).  Because let&#8217;s, face it she&#8217;d have to be either Sapphic or a narcissist to pursue a Graduate degree in Gender Studies (though, admittedly this raises an interesting point, that is to say I&#8217;d like to see real apply this same paradigm to an African- American Athlete in African-American studies* , somehow I have the feeling even Riehl would see how inherently prejudiced his statements were.)</p>
<p>*Though admittedly most jocks taking the class aren&#8217;t exactly pursuing it in order to become the next West, just as most white jocks taking sociology aren&#8217;t planning on following in the footsteps of Hoffer. (As, an aside my favorite &#8220;Jock Major&#8221; was the one pursued by one of my favorite UF Football players &#8220;Recreation Management&#8221; which honestly sounds like a high-falutin&#8217; term for  party planner and/or a drug dealer).</p>
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