Comments on: I *Heart* Frances Kissling http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:18:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bitter Scribe http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87514 Bitter Scribe Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:50:50 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87514 What I love about Kissling is how she drives wingnuts to apoplexy. She's the Left's equivalent of "Feminists for Life." What I love about Kissling is how she drives wingnuts to apoplexy. She’s the Left’s equivalent of “Feminists for Life.”

]]> By: LiberalCatholicGirl http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87485 LiberalCatholicGirl Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:13:10 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87485 <blockquote>Catholics argue that disagreeing with Papal social policy means you hate Catholics,</blockquote> Not really, considering that about 95% of baptized, self identified Catholics disagree with some facet of Papal social policy; whether is on sexual issues, immigration, peace and justice, etc, and have no problem saying they do. I think the biggest way to offend Catholics as a monolith is to knock them "culturally", not necessarily doctrinally. Say "the church's teaching on gays/masturbation/contraception/abortion/premarital sex/stupid doctrine of choice is ridiculous, and most Catholics will either agree with you or say "Masturbation is supposed to be a sin? Whatever." And most Catholics not only can take, but throughly enjoy a good, slightly sacreligious Catholic Joke ("Crakers o'Christ, anyone?) Use ethic slurs and stereotypes, say mean things about Jesus and Mary on a personal level, or something nice about Oliver Cromwell, and then you just might get an ass-whuppin'. Bill Donohue doth not speak for all Catholics. Dane Cook probably speaks for more friggin Catholics than Bill Donohue does.

Catholics argue that disagreeing with Papal social policy means you hate Catholics,

Not really, considering that about 95% of baptized, self identified Catholics disagree with some facet of Papal social policy; whether is on sexual issues, immigration, peace and justice, etc, and have no problem saying they do.

I think the biggest way to offend Catholics as a monolith is to knock them “culturally”, not necessarily doctrinally. Say “the church’s teaching on gays/masturbation/contraception/abortion/premarital sex/stupid doctrine of choice is ridiculous, and most Catholics will either agree with you or say “Masturbation is supposed to be a sin? Whatever.” And most Catholics not only can take, but throughly enjoy a good, slightly sacreligious Catholic Joke (“Crakers o’Christ, anyone?) Use ethic slurs and stereotypes, say mean things about Jesus and Mary on a personal level, or something nice about Oliver Cromwell, and then you just might get an ass-whuppin’.

Bill Donohue doth not speak for all Catholics. Dane Cook probably speaks for more friggin Catholics than Bill Donohue does.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87452 Alon Levy Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:36:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87452 That's a different set of issues, born mostly out of conservatives' desire to be an oppressed group. Jews decide that Palestinian civil rights are the height of anti-Semitism, rich people think they're subjected to class warfare, Catholics argue that disagreeing with Papal social policy means you hate Catholics, and WASPs complain they're the only group that's not allowed to have its own dedicated organizations. That’s a different set of issues, born mostly out of conservatives’ desire to be an oppressed group. Jews decide that Palestinian civil rights are the height of anti-Semitism, rich people think they’re subjected to class warfare, Catholics argue that disagreeing with Papal social policy means you hate Catholics, and WASPs complain they’re the only group that’s not allowed to have its own dedicated organizations.

]]> By: zuzu http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87444 zuzu Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:34:42 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87444 <blockquote>Such a hostile and aggressive undertone.</blockquote> And? Actually, Heraclitus, Donohue represents himself as speaking for all Catholics, not just the Catholic right.

Such a hostile and aggressive undertone.

And?

Actually, Heraclitus, Donohue represents himself as speaking for all Catholics, not just the Catholic right.

]]> By: countryKyle http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87441 countryKyle Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:27:33 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87441 Thanks Heraclitus. Outside of their position on abortion and marriage, I dont closely follow the wide array of catholic politics. From what I do know of the 2 individuals mentioned, I tend to agree with your assesment. Thanks Heraclitus. Outside of their position on abortion and marriage, I dont closely follow the wide array of catholic politics. From what I do know of the 2 individuals mentioned, I tend to agree with your assesment.

]]> By: Heraclitus http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87440 Heraclitus Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:18:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87440 Look, CK, zuzu's point was just that Kissling doesn't speak for some monolith called "the Catholic left," but neither does Donohue speak for some monolith called "the Catholic right." So both opinions are either equally irrelevant or they cancel each other out. In fact, however, my guess is that Kissling speaks for and is listened to by far more who would identify themselves as on "the Catholic left" than Donohue is by Catholic conservatives. My guess is that most of the latter, if they've heard of him at all, consider him to be a tiresome windbag and publicity hound. Look, CK, zuzu’s point was just that Kissling doesn’t speak for some monolith called “the Catholic left,” but neither does Donohue speak for some monolith called “the Catholic right.” So both opinions are either equally irrelevant or they cancel each other out. In fact, however, my guess is that Kissling speaks for and is listened to by far more who would identify themselves as on “the Catholic left” than Donohue is by Catholic conservatives. My guess is that most of the latter, if they’ve heard of him at all, consider him to be a tiresome windbag and publicity hound.

]]> By: countryKyle http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87438 countryKyle Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:58:14 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87438 zuzu, Such a hostile and aggressive undertone. The logic of your argument is inherently false. I introduced <strong>Argument A</strong> (there is not enough evidence to show "<strong>disdain</strong>" of Edwards decision to <strong>keep</strong> Amanda by the catholic<strong> left </strong>in either of the 2 articles cited) and <strong>Argument B</strong> (there is not enough evidence to show "<strong>support</strong>" of Edwards decision to <strong>keep</strong> Amanda by the catholic <strong>left</strong> in either of the 2 articles cited). Your response is erroneous in that: 1. Your point is in regards to the catholic <strong>right</strong> and 2. Your position is discussing the decision on <strong>hiring</strong> Amanda (not keeping her in Edwards employ). If you would like to discuss the outcry of the Catholic right on hiring Amanda, I'd be more than willing. Sidenote: I think Amanda's hiring by Edwards is his prerogative and that nobody should be calling for her job unless she demonstrates some type of incorrigible behavior as an Edwards employee. zuzu,

Such a hostile and aggressive undertone.

The logic of your argument is inherently false. I introduced Argument A (there is not enough evidence to show “disdain” of Edwards decision to keep Amanda by the catholic left in either of the 2 articles cited) and Argument B (there is not enough evidence to show “support” of Edwards decision to keep Amanda by the catholic left in either of the 2 articles cited).

Your response is erroneous in that:
1. Your point is in regards to the catholic right and
2. Your position is discussing the decision on hiring Amanda (not keeping her in Edwards employ).

If you would like to discuss the outcry of the Catholic right on hiring Amanda, I’d be more than willing.

Sidenote: I think Amanda’s hiring by Edwards is his prerogative and that nobody should be calling for her job unless she demonstrates some type of incorrigible behavior as an Edwards employee.

]]> By: zuzu http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87431 zuzu Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:58:57 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87431 By gosh, countryKyle, you're right. Just like William Donohue's apoplexy can be substantiated as evidence of disdain of Edwards' decision to hire Amanda and Shakes by Catholics. Thank you for playing. By gosh, countryKyle, you’re right.

Just like William Donohue’s apoplexy can be substantiated as evidence of disdain of Edwards’ decision to hire Amanda and Shakes by Catholics.

Thank you for playing.

]]> By: countryKyle http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87430 countryKyle Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:52:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87430 Citing one source to support an argument should not be considered sufficient evidence. I dont think either Politico's or Alternet's articles can be substantiated as evidence of either disdain or support of Edwards decision to keep Amanda by the Catholic "left". Citing one source to support an argument should not be considered sufficient evidence. I dont think either Politico’s or Alternet’s articles can be substantiated as evidence of either disdain or support of Edwards decision to keep Amanda by the Catholic “left”.

]]> By: Hugo http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87332 Hugo Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:51:06 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/09/i-heart-frances-kissling/#comment-87332 Frances Kissling has been fighting the good fight for years and years, and she's put up with slings and arrows from the likes of Donahue since before some folks 'round these parts were born. I heart her too. Frances Kissling has been fighting the good fight for years and years, and she’s put up with slings and arrows from the likes of Donahue since before some folks ’round these parts were born. I heart her too.

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