Say naughty words and poke fun at the Catholic Church’s anti-woman positions on reproductive rights and sex prior to being employed by a Presidential campaign to run the blog? Bill Donohue will call for your head.
But he’ll have a different response when you’re a powerful advisor to the White House and the RNC and the Bush ‘04 campaign on Catholic issues — and, indeed, you’ve set yourself up as the moral arbiter for American Catholics, what with the wafer watch on John Kerry — and it comes out that, oops, 10 years earlier, you’d been forced to resign from your tenured professor job at a Jesuit university because you’d taken a vulnerable freshman out to a bar, gotten her drunk, brought her back to your office at the Jesuit university, performed unspecified sexual acts on one another (but quite likely the same ones you quite publicly excoriated Bill Clinton for engaging in), leading to her dropping out of school:
He’ll make a Virgin Mary joke while defending your sexual predation:
In a press release, Bill Donahue, president of the Catholic League, minimized the charges against Hudson and attempted a joke at the Virgin Mary’s expense. “Effective today,” Donohue wrote, his organization had “a new requirement for all future employees: all candidates must show proof of being immaculately conceived, that is, they must demonstrate that they were conceived without sin.”
Why does Bill Donohue hate the Virgin Mary?
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Because she has woman parts? Even if she never used them, they’re still, you know, there.
That Hudson guy was also the editor of Crisis magazine, one of the most conservative Catholic publications in the country, theologically and politically, but was forced to resign because of his continued sexual immorality. You’d think that if this behavior was known to the editors of the magazine, it must have been to know to Donohue as well. Why does Bill Donohue hate the Sixth Commandment?
Maybe Linda Chavez and Dinesh D’Souza are his joke writers.
Why does Bill Donohue hate the Virgin Mary?
Because she has woman parts? Even if she never used them, they’re still, you know, there.
Ah, but she did use most of them, in order to pop out the baby Jeebus. :)
There are few people in public life as rancid as Bill Donohue, but I don’t see how that was a joke at the expense of the Virgin Mary. He’s suggesting that all people, bar the Virgin Mary, are tainted by original sin and destined to be sinners. It’s therefore not a problem if someone has used the classes he taught as his own personal brothel, provided he’s really and truly sorry. I’m not sure how that could be interpreted as insulting to the Virgin Mary. Insulting to everyone else who’s avoided sinning on quite that scale, maybe.
I’ll admit that I’m anti-Christian in the sense that the doctrine of original sin really creeps me out. If that makes me unemployable by any political campaign, I can live with that. There are several things about my own religion that creep me out, too, which probably makes me even worse.
oh no no…mustelid; didn’t you realize (according to the universe of Conservative Catholics) that Jesus just magically “materialized” outside his mother, as to not touch or disturb her virginal lady parts in any way? Because God was all into becoming man and sharing in our experience, being born in a nasty stable with a bunch of animals and smelly shepherds, suffering hunger, want, illness, and even a greausome death…but that passing through a vagina thing was just way too much ick for him.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/dec/06120402.html
LCG, WTF? Seriously?
That is just…. “light passing through a pane of glass”???
Can they not bear to let women have *anything*, is that it?
And I’m sure my bible said that Jesus had brothers by the time he started his ministry. Do I even want to know how they’re dealing with that one?
I wish it was a joke.
There is just nothing that seems more perverse than a religion that was founded with gender equality (“there is neither male nor female in Christ”), love of the poor and socially outcast, and the dignity of the fleshy, physical human body became the religion of the misogynist, the wealthy, the powerful, the “perfect people” and the “pharasees”, and those who fear and hate the body (especially the female body), and people like BD and the Catholic League. That is what makes me go “WTF???” every day.
Oh, the wierd, dark world of Conservative Catholicism / Christianity. It’s bottomless.
Jesus, please come again soon and save us from your “followers.” Marana tha!
NK: people who believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary usually explain that one away by saying they were actually cousins or something.
or children of Joseph by a previous marraige…
…I think in the original language the word that is translated as “brother” is one that generally means “kinsmen”.
Whatever, its not the biggest deal in the book.
Its like the debate over whether or not Jesus was married (I don’t think he was…but who really knows). My high school kids were talking about it in my class the other day and one finally piped up and said “Miss — ——, does it really MATTER if Jesus was married or not?” Bingo! The answer is no, Virginia. Jesus and Mary’s marital/sexual status have absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was the incarnate second person of the Trinity who rose from the dead so we too could rise and who preached love and dignity for every human person, which is the entire #$&*ing point of Christianity, not anyones hymenal status.
I’m sure the Catholic League through a coniption fit over the “Jesus is Married” overtones of certain recent books and films, too, though, as did Crisis Magazine and all the other usuals. Because, unlike throwing nasty polemics at others and sanctimonious manly Christian cheast-beating, practicing what you preach and advocating for the poor and oppressed would actually require a *real* sacrifice of personal time and ego that these people just are not willing to make.
Thomas,
I’ve had it explained to me that they were also kids from Joseph’s previous marriage, can anyone else speak to that? I haven’t read the Bible in years and I really don’t want to go back.
Though I don’t understand how a man who’s relatively “young* can go the rest of his life without sex with his wife. Did God make him swear an oath to be a monk?
I think most people are missing the point. I think most people here – sadly – are missing the point.
Donohue does not have a grievance, but an agenda. His organization is funded and directed by the right wing of the United States. It is as politically neutral as Karl Rove’s fountain pen. There are no moderates on the Catholic League’s board, none. All wingers, every last one, in contradiction to the U.S. Catholic population that is mostly moderate and more liberal than you would think, abortion notwithstanding.
Donohue and the Catholic League are engaging in fake grass-roots work, what Josh Marshall called “astroturfing” under religious cover; the word for today is “SACROTURF.” What Donohue and the Catholic League say in their sacroturfing efforts are unimportant as moral arguments; we need not hear their words. His budget is $2.5 million a year, of which he gets paid about 14% of the money. Add Midtown Manhattan brutal rent, and you are starting to see that this organization is tiny, but well placed for sacroturf appearances at the Midtown media studios.
Donohue is paid to be a right-wing media assassin; that’s his job, like driving a bus is for a busdriver. He earned his pay this week, one can say safely.
I had no idea about these Mary beliefs, LCG.
Calls Zeus and Athena to mind, no?
Say, did you see Time Amanda is in it! They have an article about this whole thing. it is a rather flattering article in my opinion.
Say, did you see Time Amanda is in it! They have an article about this whole thing. it is a rather flattering article in my opinion.
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