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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/19/the-broken-windows-theory-of-naughtiness/#comment-88887</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;fact is, in my experience and that of many others i’ve known, the ‘rich good kids’ are usually the absolute worst when it comes to misbehavior. the big difference is that their parents have the pull and the money to hide that fact from public view, which of course fuels their careless and narcisstic behavior.&lt;/i&gt;

i am reminded of the bunch of boys in norwalk california who were keeping score on all the girls they hooked up with, and the scandal it caused (don&#039;t remember the name of their club, it was a &#039;posse&#039; of some kind).

has it ever occurred to these people that the very things that make their lives oh so superior (lust for money, shallow desire for material goods, etc) are the things that make their kids rebel and search out human contact, albeit in superficial ways (what other kind of ways can kids find such contact on their own?  that&#039;s how you learn, try stuff...and if you have no moral compass to begin with, no real moral compass, not a superficially-imposed pearl-clutching cadre of stone emotions, you&#039;ll wind up screwing everyone that smiles at  you).

any way, as i said on another blog, if the smorgasboard metaphor is any indication of sessions stepp&#039;s writing skills, we need not worry that anyone will actually take this book seriously.

and, as to the body as a house idea:  what if you don&#039;t let anybody into your house but the adjustable rate goes up anyway and the bank takes it over?  then what?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>fact is, in my experience and that of many others i’ve known, the ‘rich good kids’ are usually the absolute worst when it comes to misbehavior. the big difference is that their parents have the pull and the money to hide that fact from public view, which of course fuels their careless and narcisstic behavior.</i></p>
<p>i am reminded of the bunch of boys in norwalk california who were keeping score on all the girls they hooked up with, and the scandal it caused (don&#8217;t remember the name of their club, it was a &#8216;posse&#8217; of some kind).</p>
<p>has it ever occurred to these people that the very things that make their lives oh so superior (lust for money, shallow desire for material goods, etc) are the things that make their kids rebel and search out human contact, albeit in superficial ways (what other kind of ways can kids find such contact on their own?  that&#8217;s how you learn, try stuff&#8230;and if you have no moral compass to begin with, no real moral compass, not a superficially-imposed pearl-clutching cadre of stone emotions, you&#8217;ll wind up screwing everyone that smiles at  you).</p>
<p>any way, as i said on another blog, if the smorgasboard metaphor is any indication of sessions stepp&#8217;s writing skills, we need not worry that anyone will actually take this book seriously.</p>
<p>and, as to the body as a house idea:  what if you don&#8217;t let anybody into your house but the adjustable rate goes up anyway and the bank takes it over?  then what?</p>
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		<title>By: pmoney</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/19/the-broken-windows-theory-of-naughtiness/#comment-88863</link>
		<dc:creator>pmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe a better analogy would be if blacks and whites were at a party together, but only the whites got to drink beer and eat snacks.  ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe a better analogy would be if blacks and whites were at a party together, but only the whites got to drink beer and eat snacks.  ?</p>
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		<title>By: pmoney</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/19/the-broken-windows-theory-of-naughtiness/#comment-88861</link>
		<dc:creator>pmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, one thing to remember- is that a lot of these people still don’t believe that women have orgasms (it’s true!) or derive any pleasure from sex other than appeasing a man. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, I think one of my best friends still believes this deep down!  He is progressive and sensitive and a great guy (even if he suffers slightly from &quot;nice guy&quot; syndrome), but I can see this assumption bleeding through many of the things he says.  He is extremely touchy about being called it, though, as he fancies himself a feminist.  Actually, not to get off-topic, but if anyone has any advice on how to constructively talk to him about it, I&#039;d appreciate it.  Sometimes I feel like he just hates sex in general.  :(  (His dad is a preacher, which I assume has ALOT to do with it)

Anyway.  

Re: the &quot;rainbow parties&quot; and the info provided in comment #13.... I wasn&#039;t really scandalized until I got to the &quot;no reciprocation&quot; part.  WTF is THAT about?!?!?!!  whenever I hear talk of this &quot;oral sex&quot; with teenagers, I naturally assume it is being reciprocated.  Because.... well, I just DO!  It doesn&#039;t make sense otherwise.  And now I&#039;m confused, and more than a little disturbed.  WHY would a bunch of girls go to parties where they do nothing but PERFORM oral sex?  Is this typical of these parties?  And if so, they shouldn&#039;t be referred to as &quot;oral sex parties.&quot;  I don&#039;t know what would be a better choice but &quot;oral sex party&quot; always implies (to me, anyway) that the sex is reciprocated.  Otherwise, it&#039;s a boys-only party because the girls are WORKING the party, like STAFF.  I mean, if a bunch of white people held a party where all the staff was black, that would hardly be a &quot;mixed&quot; party, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, one thing to remember- is that a lot of these people still don’t believe that women have orgasms (it’s true!) or derive any pleasure from sex other than appeasing a man. </p></blockquote>
<p>You know, I think one of my best friends still believes this deep down!  He is progressive and sensitive and a great guy (even if he suffers slightly from &#8220;nice guy&#8221; syndrome), but I can see this assumption bleeding through many of the things he says.  He is extremely touchy about being called it, though, as he fancies himself a feminist.  Actually, not to get off-topic, but if anyone has any advice on how to constructively talk to him about it, I&#8217;d appreciate it.  Sometimes I feel like he just hates sex in general.  :(  (His dad is a preacher, which I assume has ALOT to do with it)</p>
<p>Anyway.  </p>
<p>Re: the &#8220;rainbow parties&#8221; and the info provided in comment #13&#8230;. I wasn&#8217;t really scandalized until I got to the &#8220;no reciprocation&#8221; part.  WTF is THAT about?!?!?!!  whenever I hear talk of this &#8220;oral sex&#8221; with teenagers, I naturally assume it is being reciprocated.  Because&#8230;. well, I just DO!  It doesn&#8217;t make sense otherwise.  And now I&#8217;m confused, and more than a little disturbed.  WHY would a bunch of girls go to parties where they do nothing but PERFORM oral sex?  Is this typical of these parties?  And if so, they shouldn&#8217;t be referred to as &#8220;oral sex parties.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know what would be a better choice but &#8220;oral sex party&#8221; always implies (to me, anyway) that the sex is reciprocated.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s a boys-only party because the girls are WORKING the party, like STAFF.  I mean, if a bunch of white people held a party where all the staff was black, that would hardly be a &#8220;mixed&#8221; party, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: DDay</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/19/the-broken-windows-theory-of-naughtiness/#comment-88834</link>
		<dc:creator>DDay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn’t the first thing you do with a new home supposed to be inviting all your friends over for a big housewarming party? Particularly a first home? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh, that&#039;s great.  And it&#039;s a great way to meet new neighbors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isn’t the first thing you do with a new home supposed to be inviting all your friends over for a big housewarming party? Particularly a first home?
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<p>Heh, that&#8217;s great.  And it&#8217;s a great way to meet new neighbors!</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article at Slate is a good one, though she mentions that girls are for once spending more time on work and female friendships than love and sex, which makes me wonder if she thinks men and women can&#039;t be friends--about half of my best friends are boys (two of whom are exes) and if there&#039;s one thing I love about the demystifying of sex it&#039;s that it&#039;s demystified the opposite sex; my guy friends have helped me through some really tough times, and I don&#039;t know where I&#039;d be without them (the girls have too of course; but the more the merrier right?)

And I curse more than all my guy friends so I dunno what she&#039;s talking about this &quot;crude language&quot; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article at Slate is a good one, though she mentions that girls are for once spending more time on work and female friendships than love and sex, which makes me wonder if she thinks men and women can&#8217;t be friends&#8211;about half of my best friends are boys (two of whom are exes) and if there&#8217;s one thing I love about the demystifying of sex it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s demystified the opposite sex; my guy friends have helped me through some really tough times, and I don&#8217;t know where I&#8217;d be without them (the girls have too of course; but the more the merrier right?)</p>
<p>And I curse more than all my guy friends so I dunno what she&#8217;s talking about this &#8220;crude language&#8221; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: NBarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>NBarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kriston at grammar.police worked on this one:

    Yglesias: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. You want to have a big party and invite all your friends over.

    Spencer: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. You don&#039;t want people breaking in through the front or the back.

    Me: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. If you&#039;re ever in a bind you can always take out a mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kriston at grammar.police worked on this one:</p>
<p>    Yglesias: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. You want to have a big party and invite all your friends over.</p>
<p>    Spencer: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. You don&#8217;t want people breaking in through the front or the back.</p>
<p>    Me: Your body is your property. Think about the first home you hope to own. If you&#8217;re ever in a bind you can always take out a mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan in STL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan in STL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to echo what commentor kate just said... you need look no further than the White House to find out what&#039;s wrong with the &quot;cool rich kids&quot; - whose parents and social connections get them out of DWIs, cover up their coke habits, and get them into the hallowed halls of Yale and Harvard, despite the moron&#039;s inability to correctly pronounce the word &quot;nuclear&quot; or &quot;nukular&quot; as Shrub would say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to echo what commentor kate just said&#8230; you need look no further than the White House to find out what&#8217;s wrong with the &#8220;cool rich kids&#8221; &#8211; whose parents and social connections get them out of DWIs, cover up their coke habits, and get them into the hallowed halls of Yale and Harvard, despite the moron&#8217;s inability to correctly pronounce the word &#8220;nuclear&#8221; or &#8220;nukular&#8221; as Shrub would say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/19/the-broken-windows-theory-of-naughtiness/#comment-88775</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Perspective: I hate to nicpic, but thought I&#039;d just point something out about something you said, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;the attendees at the party were the center of the “cool kids” in the community, and that means that their parents were the “cool parents”, too - those who were very involved in the PTA, in their children’s schedules and extracurricular activities; those who were wealthy and successful and admired by other parents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fact is, in my experience and that of many others I&#039;ve known, the &#039;rich good kids&#039; are usually the absolute worst when it comes to misbehavior.  The big difference is that their parents have the pull and the money to hide that fact from public view, which of course fuels their careless and narcisstic behavior.

As for Stepp, as a contractor I&#039;d really be interested in knowing about those windows that have orgasms and then retract to their original shape and position after penetration.  I think they&#039;d be a hell of a seller.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Perspective: I hate to nicpic, but thought I&#8217;d just point something out about something you said, </p>
<blockquote><p>the attendees at the party were the center of the “cool kids” in the community, and that means that their parents were the “cool parents”, too &#8211; those who were very involved in the PTA, in their children’s schedules and extracurricular activities; those who were wealthy and successful and admired by other parents.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fact is, in my experience and that of many others I&#8217;ve known, the &#8216;rich good kids&#8217; are usually the absolute worst when it comes to misbehavior.  The big difference is that their parents have the pull and the money to hide that fact from public view, which of course fuels their careless and narcisstic behavior.</p>
<p>As for Stepp, as a contractor I&#8217;d really be interested in knowing about those windows that have orgasms and then retract to their original shape and position after penetration.  I think they&#8217;d be a hell of a seller.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have a metaphor for house = casual sex which to me at least is more accuate, it&#039;s very boring but...

&quot;One day you invite a friend over, you watch tv, have some beers, talk, listen to music a bit and have a really nice time. Your friend stays the night on the couch because they don&#039;t want to drive after drinking beer. The next day they go home, after helping you clean up a bit. Now how would you feel after that? Just how
would you feel after having shared your &quot;house&quot; in that way?&quot;

Terrible isn&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have a metaphor for house = casual sex which to me at least is more accuate, it&#8217;s very boring but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;One day you invite a friend over, you watch tv, have some beers, talk, listen to music a bit and have a really nice time. Your friend stays the night on the couch because they don&#8217;t want to drive after drinking beer. The next day they go home, after helping you clean up a bit. Now how would you feel after that? Just how<br />
would you feel after having shared your &#8220;house&#8221; in that way?&#8221;</p>
<p>Terrible isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL GIRLS SCHOOLS

It was a lifesaver for me.  Except that girls can be just as horrible.  At least I didn&#039;t bow down to boys, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL GIRLS SCHOOLS</p>
<p>It was a lifesaver for me.  Except that girls can be just as horrible.  At least I didn&#8217;t bow down to boys, though.</p>
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