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		<title>By: Juliana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this the same photographer who caught some major crap for doing this same thing as a spread or advert campaign in the late 80&#039;s or early 90&#039;s?
I remember seeing the campaign and we covered it in university, but can&#039;t for the life of me remember the guys name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this the same photographer who caught some major crap for doing this same thing as a spread or advert campaign in the late 80&#8242;s or early 90&#8242;s?<br />
I remember seeing the campaign and we covered it in university, but can&#8217;t for the life of me remember the guys name.</p>
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		<title>By: WIMN&#8217;s Voices: A Group Blog on Women, Media, AND…  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Top Model looks ugly to the blogosphere - thanks for rolling with our outrage!</title>
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		<dc:creator>WIMN&#8217;s Voices: A Group Blog on Women, Media, AND…  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Top Model looks ugly to the blogosphere - thanks for rolling with our outrage!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rimetime’s most popular “unscripted” programs.&#8221;  	By Thursday evening, Jill at Feministe wrote, &#8220;&#8230;I th [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on Global Feminisms #2 &#171; MilbyDaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Global Feminisms #2 &#171; MilbyDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tos from the most recent America&#8217;s Next Top Model challenge.  And I agree with Bean, Jill, Jessica, Jennifer Pozner that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“Miss J: These are broken-down dolls. These are busted up, broken-down dolls, marionettes.”

I would analyze, but that (coupled with the pictures) seems to sum up the idea of women for the majority of the fashion industry. &lt;/em&gt;

Speaking as a bearer of a Y chromosome, I&#039;ve also suspected that for a long time.  During my college days (late 1970s), there was an urban legend going around that the fashion industry was run by woman-hating homosexuals and their &quot;high fashion&quot; was intended to make women appear as absolutely ugly as possible.  And this was before the era of the cocaine-and-nicotine-fueled Supermodel (TM) as the Ultimate Feminine Beauty Doll.

There&#039;s classic melodrama &quot;jep&quot;, and a threat to a fictional character &lt;em&gt;does &lt;/em&gt;build more audience sympathy when that character is a beautiful woman, but this...

This is a fumetti version of what comics fans call &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Refrigerator&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Women in Refrigerators Syndrome&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“Miss J: These are broken-down dolls. These are busted up, broken-down dolls, marionettes.”</p>
<p>I would analyze, but that (coupled with the pictures) seems to sum up the idea of women for the majority of the fashion industry. </em></p>
<p>Speaking as a bearer of a Y chromosome, I&#8217;ve also suspected that for a long time.  During my college days (late 1970s), there was an urban legend going around that the fashion industry was run by woman-hating homosexuals and their &#8220;high fashion&#8221; was intended to make women appear as absolutely ugly as possible.  And this was before the era of the cocaine-and-nicotine-fueled Supermodel (TM) as the Ultimate Feminine Beauty Doll.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s classic melodrama &#8220;jep&#8221;, and a threat to a fictional character <em>does </em>build more audience sympathy when that character is a beautiful woman, but this&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a fumetti version of what comics fans call <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Refrigerator" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;Women in Refrigerators Syndrome&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>April:

So...
photoshoot where girl is told she must be photographed in the nude or else face expulsion = bad.

photoshoot where girl is told she must be photographed as the victim of a brutal crime days after her own friend was such a victim or else face expulsion = good?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>April:</p>
<p>So&#8230;<br />
photoshoot where girl is told she must be photographed in the nude or else face expulsion = bad.</p>
<p>photoshoot where girl is told she must be photographed as the victim of a brutal crime days after her own friend was such a victim or else face expulsion = good?</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Rachel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Rachel!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvs, 
If you go to Google Scholar http://www.scholar.google.com and type in the search term/phrases:
 
violence against women fashion

violence against women media

sexism in advertising

violence against women advertising

You should find several relevant articles.  I would focus search terms more around media and advertising because this is where the fashion industries sexism is most studied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvs,<br />
If you go to Google Scholar <a href="http://www.scholar.google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.scholar.google.com</a> and type in the search term/phrases:</p>
<p>violence against women fashion</p>
<p>violence against women media</p>
<p>sexism in advertising</p>
<p>violence against women advertising</p>
<p>You should find several relevant articles.  I would focus search terms more around media and advertising because this is where the fashion industries sexism is most studied.</p>
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		<title>By: beansa</title>
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		<dc:creator>beansa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a slideshow using the ANTM photos and domestic violence statistics. It&#039;s here if you want to check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCIl3Vvorhs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a slideshow using the ANTM photos and domestic violence statistics. It&#8217;s here if you want to check it out:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/22/just-when-you-think-fashion-couldnt-get-any-more-misogynist/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/DCIl3Vvorhs/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Melissa M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I don&#039;t watch America&#039;s Next Top Model, but I sometimes read recaps of it on LGBTQ websites.  I don&#039;t know what&#039;s worse, the fact that they glamorized women dying violent deaths or that they had one of the women pose for a photo shot about death right after she learned that a close friend of hers had died.  I can&#039;t help but think that the producers of ANTM were hoping to get better ratings by cashing in on their audience&#039;s morbid curiosity.  &lt;em&gt;How would posing as a murdered woman affect Jael whose friend just died?&lt;/em&gt;  I think that it is contemptable that not only were they inviting people to oogle fake corpses and perpetuating the idea that violent death is sexy, but they were also promoting people&#039;s morbid curiosity about whether Jael would be able to &quot;take&quot; the photo shot. 

Speaking of how people actually die, shows like CSI may actually help make stop the victim pronograpy trend that so many tv shows and movies engage in.  Compared to the romantic death scenes that are a staple of many movies, people don&#039;t die in pretty ways in forensic shows.  Their bodies stink and bloat and change colors.  The good thing about shows like CSI is that they don&#039;t allow us to romanticize death or to dehumanize murder victims as much as other portayals of death.  The victim starts out as a body, an object, but because the &quot;good forensic detectives&quot; never lose sight that these bodies are human, murder becomes about the horors that are inflicted on people not grusome objects.  Shows like CSI aren&#039;t perfect, they fetisize science and sometimes the &quot;gross out factor&quot; definitely triumps over humanizing crime victims.  In addition, their protayal of how many crimes get solved is just wrong.  Still If I had to watch a tv show in which women &quot;die brutally&quot; (at least in photos) I&#039;d rather watch CSI than AMTM any day.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I don&#8217;t watch America&#8217;s Next Top Model, but I sometimes read recaps of it on LGBTQ websites.  I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s worse, the fact that they glamorized women dying violent deaths or that they had one of the women pose for a photo shot about death right after she learned that a close friend of hers had died.  I can&#8217;t help but think that the producers of ANTM were hoping to get better ratings by cashing in on their audience&#8217;s morbid curiosity.  <em>How would posing as a murdered woman affect Jael whose friend just died?</em>  I think that it is contemptable that not only were they inviting people to oogle fake corpses and perpetuating the idea that violent death is sexy, but they were also promoting people&#8217;s morbid curiosity about whether Jael would be able to &#8220;take&#8221; the photo shot. </p>
<p>Speaking of how people actually die, shows like CSI may actually help make stop the victim pronograpy trend that so many tv shows and movies engage in.  Compared to the romantic death scenes that are a staple of many movies, people don&#8217;t die in pretty ways in forensic shows.  Their bodies stink and bloat and change colors.  The good thing about shows like CSI is that they don&#8217;t allow us to romanticize death or to dehumanize murder victims as much as other portayals of death.  The victim starts out as a body, an object, but because the &#8220;good forensic detectives&#8221; never lose sight that these bodies are human, murder becomes about the horors that are inflicted on people not grusome objects.  Shows like CSI aren&#8217;t perfect, they fetisize science and sometimes the &#8220;gross out factor&#8221; definitely triumps over humanizing crime victims.  In addition, their protayal of how many crimes get solved is just wrong.  Still If I had to watch a tv show in which women &#8220;die brutally&#8221; (at least in photos) I&#8217;d rather watch CSI than AMTM any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would they ever show male models in these kinds of positions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would they ever show male models in these kinds of positions?</p>
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