I know, I know, feeding the trolls is a waste of garbage. But, damn, he and RO3 have gone beyond the pale of insensitive, misogynist assholery in this thread.

Jesus Christ what did I say exactly?

If you were not paying attention, throughout this thead I stated that the woman in the subject probably had a valid rape case.

Just because someone disagrees with you on something does not make them a “misogynist asshole.” I even challenged Dan’s view of rape as violent. I challenged Ether and his moronic blame the victim tirades as well.

Not everyone who disagrees with you on 20% or so of your points is a misogynist or some fucking rapist. Seriously it is really frustrating to largely agree and the times you don’t agree suddenly you hate all women or hate rape victims.

What about if it goes on for an hour? You keep saying “No” for an hour, and he keeps arguing with you. Is that damn clear enough? I would think so. Yet, still, the argument continues. So you finally give in because you know that the only acceptable answer is “Yes.

Honestly I want to understand but I just don’t:

Why not walk out the door and never come back? That is the part I have trouble with.

As I pointed out before, in a marriage walking out may mean financial ruin. In a somewhat casual relationship what prevents you from just leaving? If there is no threat of violence or threat of financial ruin why not walk out?

This may sound cynical but in a relationship people do things they don’t like all the time, it’s a cost-benefit analysis. Maybe performing oral sex or going to a romantic comedy is something I don’t really feel like doing but it helps out the relationship so it’s worth it.

If it gets to the point where I feel literally *raped* why not just end the relationship?

Maybe the male perspective is different but really it is hard to understand. From my persepective when you say:

So you finally give in because you know that the only acceptable answer is “Yes”

My natural respons is: who the fuck cares what the acceptable answer is? I don’t want to have sex so I won’t – end of discussion. I’m free to leave so fuck it I’m gone.

Again I want to understand but I just don’t, until someone explains it better. Why doesn’t the person under pressure just end the relationship right then and there?

Rape law is not about protecting women from social pressures. It’s not about protecting women from annoyance. It is about protecting women from violence.

And is it some how not an act of violence to be penetrated against your will?

Like I said, zuzu, I think this is one of the AutoAdmit boys trolling. He keeps throwing in the legal lingo as if it means something.

If she’d held her ground, if she’d made it clear to him that it was out of the question, he probably would have dropped the issue.

What about if it goes on for an hour? You keep saying “No” for an hour, and he keeps arguing with you. Is that damn clear enough? I would think so. Yet, still, the argument continues. So you finally give in because you know that the only acceptable answer is “Yes.” [Yes, this has actually happened to me more than once. Not with the same guy either, because believe me, the first time it happened was the last time I saw that guy.]

Not that I expect you to get that. It’s OK for a man to continue to pester a woman non-stop knowing full well he’ll wear her down eventually, because, hey, finally she just gave in, and all that matters is that precious little “Just get it over with already.” Her actual wants? Totally irrelevant.

Guys who think like you are the reason I stopped being alone with men I wasn’t related to and wasn’t already willing to have sex with. That way, no chance I’d be worn down and feel like crap afterwards. And even if I was stuck with some asshole who didn’t give a shit about what I actually wanted, it wouldn’t matter then, because I’d want what he wanted.

If she’d held her ground, if she’d made it clear to him that it was out of the question, he probably would have dropped the issue.

‘No, I don’t want to fuck you.’
‘No, I don’t want to fuck you.’
‘No, I don’t want to fuck you.’
‘No, I don’t want to fuck you.’
‘No, I don’t want to fuck you.’

And he sticks his cock in her anyway.

She never ‘gave in’ or said yes. He just did it.

Where was the ‘she consented anyway’? Where the FUCK did you get that?

He isn’t a rapist, he’s just annoying. It’s now rape to beg for sex from your girlfriend? Give me a break! He kept asking, and she consented because she preferred to have the sex rather than have an argument about not having sex, or to continue listening to him whine about it until he got bored and gave up, or to have him leave her because she wouldn’t have sex with him.

Capitulation is not consent.

You really have a problem with the concept ofconsent. And since you’re showing a remarkable lack of sensitivity in this thread, I’m putting you in modded status until Jill can decide if you’ve broken the conditions she set for this thread.