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  1. lindsay
    lindsay March 28, 2007 at 11:44 pm |

    Oh but you know inequality is just heaven for women. Cause then we get noticed by our husbands so much that they beat us and still force us to make dinner for them and make their babies. And then we can go into the street at night to fetch baby some formula cause you ran out and your husband didn’t bother buying any on his way home from work because he doesn’t take care of the 5 kids you have, so how’s he supposed to know you need it? Then on your way home you can get raped and the offender can run off, and then nine months later the baby the rapist impregnated you with is born. And the husband blames you for it all cause you know you did wear that skirt and all, and it came just over your ankles so he had every right to take advantage of you.

    It’s like saying that African Americans were better off as slaves. They wouldn’t dare post a fucking study like that, so why the fuck do they think it’s appropriate to publish this tripe they falsely call a study!? It’s completely preposterous and hateful! The only agenda behind this study was to support the right in their biased, bigoted views towards women. I would rather die than live in an unequal society.

    *Sorry, I’ve been on a ranting rampage all day.

  2. defenestrated
    defenestrated March 29, 2007 at 2:46 am |

    Thanks for posting on this. I’m not sure that the desire to time-warp us back to the imaginary 50s is such a small part of it, though, especially for certain advertisers. There are a whole lot of products whose sales benefit from the investment that the supposed female identity has in them – makeup and household appliances are the first to come to mind.

  3. Republic of Palau
    Republic of Palau March 29, 2007 at 3:28 am |

    “Perhaps, soon, newspapers and magazines will figure out that positive stories about feminism also get talked about, also create buzz, and also can sell ad space. Some advertisers may drop out, but others will take their place. ”

    Yeah, and I’m Marie of Rumania.

    Insert customary “modern capitalism and feminism cannot co-exist because the former’s existence is predicated on the oppression of women” and “controversy sells paper, headlines at 11″ rants here.

    I admire your optimism though.

  4. Dianne
    Dianne March 29, 2007 at 6:15 am |

    Two points about this study. First, they make at least two statements about their conclusions being tentative and needing further research to confirm them. They are not suggesting that their results mean that women should return to the kitchen immediately and make no further trouble. Second, this sentence from the abstract:

    Sweden may have reached a critical point where further one-sided expansion by women into traditionally male roles, spheres and activities will not lead to positive health effects unless men also significantly alter their behaviour.

    Why isn’t the media picking up on that last part: unless men alter their behavior? Is the idea of men altering their behavior to deal with loss of privilege just too crazy a thought?

  5. Hawise
    Hawise March 29, 2007 at 7:48 am |

    Headline that I would like to see- WARNING: Mainstream media is bad for your health, sanity and pocketbook; update at 11.

  6. Michelle
    Michelle March 29, 2007 at 8:02 am |

    But the mainstream media is Liberal!!! Liberal I tell you!!!

  7. micheyd
    micheyd March 29, 2007 at 8:03 am |

    Hurray for rants, lindsay!

    This is just another point on the long line of argumentation that second-class citizenship is better for us women. Cleaning the house is good for your health! Abortion causes breast cancer! You won’t find love if you have a well-paying job! Sigh.

  8. nausicaa
    nausicaa March 29, 2007 at 8:32 am |

    I’d like to think that the reason the other studies don’t get any press is because they aren’t really a surprise, and that the most recent study only got attention because it goes against the conventional wisdom and provides sensationalistic headlines. That’d actually indicate that basic tenants of feminism (loosely defined as parity & equality) are generally accepted now so as to be totally unsurprising (and thus unnewsworthy) when confirmed by social science

    That’s what I’d like to think, anyway.

  9. Paralgl
    Paralgl March 29, 2007 at 9:02 am |

    “You won’t find love if you have a well-paying job!”?

  10. micheyd
    micheyd March 29, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    Yeah, Paralgl, I was referring to those “men won’t marry women who make more than them/it makes everyone unhappy” commentaries and studies from a while back.

  11. Raincitygirl
    Raincitygirl March 29, 2007 at 1:04 pm |

    And never mind those pesky statistics regarding how highly-educated women are more likely not only to get married in the first place, but also to stay. Stats are only relevant if they can be twisted to fit an agenda. There should be an opportunity cost for uppity wimmenfolk who have letters after their names and good salaries, damnit.

  12. Raincitygirl
    Raincitygirl March 29, 2007 at 1:08 pm |

    That should’ve been “stay married”, not just “stay”. And the last sentence isn’t supposed to be all in bold, just “should”.

    Sigh. Preview is my friend.

  13. RacyT
    RacyT March 29, 2007 at 2:30 pm |

    This crap always drives me crazy. Another one that annoys me is how every time a “study” supposedly proves that women are naturally monogamus and that men are genetically predisposed to “spread their seed,” it is touted as more proof that men can’t be faithful and women don’t like sex. So ladies, remain pure and unadultered (so to speak) and don’t be mad at your man when he strays, it’s only natural.

    Yet, every time there is a study (and there have been several) that suggests both genders are evolutionarily predisposed to have multiple partners, and often more so for the females, they disappear into news-oblivion-land. Why, that can’t be credible. Because obviously the gender that fires one off and can’t do it again for hours is meant to get around, but the one that has a physical trigger motivating them to continue coupling is meant to wait for the man to be ready again. Really. Isn’t it obvious? No? Maybe it’s nature’s way of punishing you for having the audacity to be born female. That’s what god would do too, you know. Now shut up and get me a beer.

  14. Frumious B
    Frumious B March 29, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    Thanks for posting on this. I’m not sure that the desire to time-warp us back to the imaginary 50s is such a small part of it, though, especially for certain advertisers. There are a whole lot of products whose sales benefit from the investment that the supposed female identity has in them – makeup and household appliances are the first to come to mind.

    Isn’t the reason Ms. magazine went adless that Gloria Steinham couldn’t convince product manufacturers that feminists, you know, buy stuff?

    Because obviously the gender that fires one off and can’t do it again for hours is meant to get around, but the one that has a physical trigger motivating them to continue coupling is meant to wait for the man to be ready again.

    *snerk*

  15. Tiny
    Tiny March 29, 2007 at 4:52 pm |

    RacyT – I would love access to those studies or at least a direction like a field (medicine, biology, psychology, sociology) or journal title (JAMA etc) in which to start looking for them. Such data becomes very useful when people in my own field say stupid things.

  16. Danyell
    Danyell March 29, 2007 at 5:52 pm |

    I think the constant attack on feminism (or the more frequent pretending-like-feminism-doesn’t-matter-or-simply-doesn’t-exist) is not only an indicator of how much it’s still needed, but also an acknowledgment that it’s still working. If feminism were outdated and useless, why would the patriarchy feel the need to knock it down all the time? When the powers that be smell a threatening rebellion, they try to slander and squash as much and as quickly as possible lest the others get wind of it.

    As many feminists as I know, there are so many more that need to see the light: males and females alike.

    There is my first time reading this blog, but I’m quite impressed! I’ll be back!

  17. Alex
    Alex March 29, 2007 at 7:02 pm |

    This crap always drives me crazy. Another one that annoys me is how every time a “study” supposedly proves that women are naturally monogamus and that men are genetically predisposed to “spread their seed,” it is touted as more proof that men can’t be faithful and women don’t like sex.

    You will love this, then.

  18. scoutt
    scoutt March 29, 2007 at 11:06 pm |

    EXACTLY!

  19. LJ/Aquaria
    LJ/Aquaria March 30, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    Do you remember the big fuss the media made over the 1999 study by Kawachi and others which found that greater gender equality appeared to be correlated with better health for both sexes in the United States? How about the even bigger media fuss caused by the 2005 study by Chen and others which found that gender equality appeared to be correlated with better mental health for women? And surely you remember the excitement in the media last year when we all learned about the Swedish study which showed that both men and women have better health when roles are shared more equally at home?

    You don’t recall? Neither do I, because there was no such fuss at all. Studies with those findings are not mentioned in the popular media at all or only fleetingly. But when a Swedish study in 2007 suggests that greater gender equality leads to less health for both sexes, what happens? You guessed it. The media is on the study right away:

    This is why I’ve always said that, if anyone could categorically prove that union workers were less productive, we would have heard that study screamed from the rafters, 24/7, all media outlets. Hell, you just know that enterprising pro-bidness legislators nationwide would have the bill outlawing unions submitted before the ink was dryi on the study.

    But they haven’t found anything remotely implying it, so nada, zip.

    Dead silence. Not even a cricket chirping.

    Me, I’d call into question the methodology of any study trumpted in the media that says equality is bad for us. I’d ask to see it, and go through it myself, to make sure the media didn’t cherry-pick what they wanted to see in it. I’d ask if this were a preliminary/interim interpretation of the data, and not the final analysis. I’d ask who sponsored the study.

    And I’d ask all that, because there are too many people with an agenda out there, including in the media.

  20. Kali
    Kali March 30, 2007 at 1:40 pm |

    Has anyone conducted a study on what studies get cited in the media? I guess the results wouldn’t get any publicity, but you’d think there would be empirical data somewhere backing up the (obvously true) observation Echidne makes.
    I’m not really sure what the mechanism is that makes the media have such a reactionary agenda. I guess it’s more profitable to write articles that appeal to people who think they’re smart, than to people who actually think. (ie the kind of person who’ll point at this and go YOU SEE? YOU SEE? vs the kind of person who’ll question it. There’s so many more of the former.)

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