Comments on: Outrage comes cheap these days, and death threats come cheaper http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Martin http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96985 Martin Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:06:27 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96985 The chocolate Jesus seems to me an interesting work of art. But is it offensive? I personally am not offended, but I would be hard pressed to explain this anatomically correct artistic display of Jesus to my children. If this statue would have been of anybody other than Jesus, nobody would have given a damn. The artist wanted attention and knew he would offend christian sensibilities. He might deserve angry letters from offended christians. But death threats? Coming from believers of Jesus and his message of love? Now that is offensive. The chocolate Jesus seems to me an interesting work of art. But is it offensive? I personally am not offended, but I would be hard pressed to explain this anatomically correct artistic display of Jesus to my children. If this statue would have been of anybody other than Jesus, nobody would have given a damn. The artist wanted attention and knew he would offend christian sensibilities. He might deserve angry letters from offended christians. But death threats? Coming from believers of Jesus and his message of love? Now that is offensive.

]]> By: Cathrine Currie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96902 Cathrine Currie Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:33:54 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96902 Did anyone bite his ears off yet? Did anyone bite his ears off yet?

]]> By: JABbering Stooge :: Over the weekend :: April :: 2007 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96853 JABbering Stooge :: Over the weekend :: April :: 2007 Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:15:21 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96853 [...] his (middle) finger. This after Cavallaro and the hotel where the art was to be displayed received numerous death threats from [...] [...] his (middle) finger. This after Cavallaro and the hotel where the art was to be displayed received numerous death threats from [...]

]]> By: appletree » Blog Archive » Tuesday Outrage: ‘My Sweet Lord’ Edition http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96804 appletree » Blog Archive » Tuesday Outrage: ‘My Sweet Lord’ Edition Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:09:12 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96804 [...] e of Jesus made out of milk chocolate. Jill of Feministe reports that the outrage produced included death threat [...] [...] e of Jesus made out of milk chocolate. Jill of Feministe reports that the outrage produced included death threat [...]

]]> By: prairielily http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96633 prairielily Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:31:38 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96633 Ugh. I really hate it when boring, repetitive people show up and ruin a perfectly good thread. I'm a Muslim, and I don't know any Muslims who want to take over the world. Yes, even when I visit that powder keg known as the Muslim world. I know it sounds crazy, but there's shitloads of people there who are just TOO FUCKING POOR to worry about America. They're just trying to survive, and avoid the bombs. Yes, there are bad Muslim people. There's a nice cross-section of bad people in every group, and they use all sorts of stuff to justify themselves. WHY is chocolate such an offensive medium? Why is a substance made from a bean so much worse than clay, which is just dirt? Why is it different from images of Jesus in paints that were derived from plants? And even if the guy SAID that he wanted people to "taste Jesus in his mouths," why would anyone automatically assume he meant it literally? And this IS different from Muslims getting upset. Because Christians have images of holy figures all over the place, and Muslims do not. We never, ever use images of our holy figures. We think it's creepy, wrong, and the most pagan thing EVER, and anyone doing it is ONLY doing it to incite anger. (I wouldn't riot over it, but I'm not really the rioting type.) Honestly, after being raised with such beliefs, I found it really creepy when I walked in an American government office and found a picture of Bush staring back at me. (I'd never seen a Canadian official on display like that.) I even get weirded out by money occasionally. It's just a visceral reaction. Donahue doesn't have anything like that to justify his actions. He just has a problem with it not being made to his exact specifications. Ugh. I really hate it when boring, repetitive people show up and ruin a perfectly good thread.

I’m a Muslim, and I don’t know any Muslims who want to take over the world. Yes, even when I visit that powder keg known as the Muslim world. I know it sounds crazy, but there’s shitloads of people there who are just TOO FUCKING POOR to worry about America. They’re just trying to survive, and avoid the bombs.

Yes, there are bad Muslim people. There’s a nice cross-section of bad people in every group, and they use all sorts of stuff to justify themselves.

WHY is chocolate such an offensive medium? Why is a substance made from a bean so much worse than clay, which is just dirt? Why is it different from images of Jesus in paints that were derived from plants? And even if the guy SAID that he wanted people to “taste Jesus in his mouths,” why would anyone automatically assume he meant it literally?

And this IS different from Muslims getting upset. Because Christians have images of holy figures all over the place, and Muslims do not. We never, ever use images of our holy figures. We think it’s creepy, wrong, and the most pagan thing EVER, and anyone doing it is ONLY doing it to incite anger. (I wouldn’t riot over it, but I’m not really the rioting type.) Honestly, after being raised with such beliefs, I found it really creepy when I walked in an American government office and found a picture of Bush staring back at me. (I’d never seen a Canadian official on display like that.) I even get weirded out by money occasionally. It’s just a visceral reaction.

Donahue doesn’t have anything like that to justify his actions. He just has a problem with it not being made to his exact specifications.

]]> By: NewCompu http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96623 NewCompu Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:17:43 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96623 Bryan, you've convinced me. I don't want to part of a lynch mob, I want to be part of your subtle distinctions club. As a result I concur that Muslims are scary and dirty and probably smell and are an undifferentiated mass of killers who want to destroy humanity based on their evil ideology and evil text--why, the very existance of Islam is in itself a death threat. One sky god religion is evil and irrational, the other despite its seeming similarities is completely and utterly different in intent and effect, indeed, it's pure and faultless and beautiful and civilized, and no hard will come to any of us if we turn over control of our government to its denizens, and nothing they do can ever be wrong or bad or even what it is, if what it is is something wrong or bad like, say, a death threat. All Muslims are responsible for anything done in the name of Islam, no Christian is ever responsible for anything either done in the name of Christianity or anything that results from a Christian's incitement to violence. So let's go forth and wipe an entire region of the world off the map secure in the knowledge that our ideology doesn't require us to oppress or kill, and therefore the fact that we do it anyway makes us extremely moral. Satisfied? Bryan, you’ve convinced me. I don’t want to part of a lynch mob, I want to be part of your subtle distinctions club. As a result I concur that Muslims are scary and dirty and probably smell and are an undifferentiated mass of killers who want to destroy humanity based on their evil ideology and evil text–why, the very existance of Islam is in itself a death threat. One sky god religion is evil and irrational, the other despite its seeming similarities is completely and utterly different in intent and effect, indeed, it’s pure and faultless and beautiful and civilized, and no hard will come to any of us if we turn over control of our government to its denizens, and nothing they do can ever be wrong or bad or even what it is, if what it is is something wrong or bad like, say, a death threat. All Muslims are responsible for anything done in the name of Islam, no Christian is ever responsible for anything either done in the name of Christianity or anything that results from a Christian’s incitement to violence. So let’s go forth and wipe an entire region of the world off the map secure in the knowledge that our ideology doesn’t require us to oppress or kill, and therefore the fact that we do it anyway makes us extremely moral. Satisfied?

]]> By: Feministe » Mexico City Set to Legalize Abortion http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96621 Feministe » Mexico City Set to Legalize Abortion Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:02:04 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96621 [...] ll out of the sky. I think we’ve seen that it doesn’t take much to prime that particular pump. Feminists who& [...] [...] ll out of the sky. I think we’ve seen that it doesn’t take much to prime that particular pump. Feminists who& [...]

]]> By: Brian Macker http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96608 Brian Macker Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:57:40 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96608 Zuzu, Just replying to my fans. Lots of people want to talk to me. I've got many people that posted comments and I'm replying to them. This isn't a conversation so my replies appear next to each other. Understand? I didn't whine. I owned. Do you see me calling for the person to be banned like you seem to be doing? Zuzu, Just replying to my fans. Lots of people want to talk to me. I’ve got many people that posted comments and I’m replying to them. This isn’t a conversation so my replies appear next to each other. Understand?

I didn’t whine. I owned. Do you see me calling for the person to be banned like you seem to be doing?

]]> By: Brian Macker http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96606 Brian Macker Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:51:16 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96606 "What he’s not allowed to do is to incite other people into making death threats." Well now your getting closer to what he did. But you've named an actually crime. Does it bother you intellectually that the police have not arrived at his door? Doesn't that make you think that perhaps this exact statement is wrong. Now if you could find this Donohue quote then I would agree: "I want members of the Catholic League to phone this man and threaten to kill him". “What he’s not allowed to do is to incite other people into making death threats.”

Well now your getting closer to what he did. But you’ve named an actually crime. Does it bother you intellectually that the police have not arrived at his door? Doesn’t that make you think that perhaps this exact statement is wrong.

Now if you could find this Donohue quote then I would agree:
“I want members of the Catholic League to phone this man and threaten to kill him”.

]]> By: Brian Macker http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96601 Brian Macker Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:40:22 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/30/outrage-comes-cheap-these-days-and-death-threats-come-cheaper/#comment-96601 "So you’re now calling for government regulation of private religious beliefs" No actually, I'm against defamatory statements that are obiously gross overgeneralizations and general calls to murder. I don't think you can make anyone "believe" anything. But you can certainly enjoin them from directly inciting people to violate another persons rights. I also have additional conditions that I didn't mention. Of course, I didn't mention that in order to fully explain it to anyone. I mentioned it just to disprove several peoples claims that my beliefs only apply to Muslims. They don't. They apply to the members of any ideology. “So you’re now calling for government regulation of private religious beliefs”

No actually, I’m against defamatory statements that are obiously gross overgeneralizations and general calls to murder. I don’t think you can make anyone “believe” anything. But you can certainly enjoin them from directly inciting people to violate another persons rights. I also have additional conditions that I didn’t mention.

Of course, I didn’t mention that in order to fully explain it to anyone. I mentioned it just to disprove several peoples claims that my beliefs only apply to Muslims. They don’t. They apply to the members of any ideology.

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