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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: ChapstickAddict</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-97061</link>
		<dc:creator>ChapstickAddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in as someone who&#039;s also dating a D&amp;Der. I don&#039;t think we could ever play together though, because when he does geeky things, it&#039;s such a turn on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in as someone who&#8217;s also dating a D&amp;Der. I don&#8217;t think we could ever play together though, because when he does geeky things, it&#8217;s such a turn on.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-97032</link>
		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my ex and i discovered each other first, then jointly discovered d&amp;d. we had an awful lot of fun acting out the sex lives of various mythical beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my ex and i discovered each other first, then jointly discovered d&amp;d. we had an awful lot of fun acting out the sex lives of various mythical beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhiannon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-96891</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhiannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Antigone, Mildred.  First guy I ever had sex with, I met through D&amp;Ding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Antigone, Mildred.  First guy I ever had sex with, I met through D&amp;Ding.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-96857</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about my own Anti-Abstinence Demonstration Seminar.

Teacher:  Good morning, class!  Now, who here likes pizza?
(A forest of hands shoot up, shouts of &quot;Yes!&quot; and &quot;Me!&quot;)
Teacher:  OK, well, I have some pizza right here.
(Teacher goes out of the room, comes back with a box giving off clouds of black smoke.  And opens the box to reveal something that looks more like a cinder.)
Teacher:  What do you think of this pizza?
Class:  Yuck!
Teacher:  Well, that pizza was made by someone who never made a pizza before in their life.  But that&#039;s OK, we have another pizza.
(Teacher goes out of the room again, comes back with another box.  Opens it to show a blob of uncooked dough, smeared with sauce and dangerously raw-looking ground meat.)
Teacher: Well, class, what do you think of THIS pizza?
Class: Yuck!
Teacher: You&#039;re right, it does look a bit yucky.  And you probably wouldn&#039;t feel too good if you ate it, right?  That pizza was also made by someone who never made a pizza before in their life.  But never mind, we have a third pizza right here.
(Teacher goes out of the room again, comes back with a third box.  As a mouth-watering aroma fills the room, Teacher opens the box to show a delicious-looking pie, done to a turn.)
Teacher:  OK, what do you think?  Would you eat this pizza?
(Various approving remarks from class.)
Teacher:  Now, THIS pizza was cooked by someone who&#039;s been making pizzas for years.  I don&#039;t know how many pizzas this chef has made, but he&#039;s pretty good at it by now.  Now class, if you find someone you love and want to be with forever, do YOU want to make them a nasty burnt pizza or an icky raw pizza, or do you want them to have a really tasty pizza like this?  Class dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about my own Anti-Abstinence Demonstration Seminar.</p>
<p>Teacher:  Good morning, class!  Now, who here likes pizza?<br />
(A forest of hands shoot up, shouts of &#8220;Yes!&#8221; and &#8220;Me!&#8221;)<br />
Teacher:  OK, well, I have some pizza right here.<br />
(Teacher goes out of the room, comes back with a box giving off clouds of black smoke.  And opens the box to reveal something that looks more like a cinder.)<br />
Teacher:  What do you think of this pizza?<br />
Class:  Yuck!<br />
Teacher:  Well, that pizza was made by someone who never made a pizza before in their life.  But that&#8217;s OK, we have another pizza.<br />
(Teacher goes out of the room again, comes back with another box.  Opens it to show a blob of uncooked dough, smeared with sauce and dangerously raw-looking ground meat.)<br />
Teacher: Well, class, what do you think of THIS pizza?<br />
Class: Yuck!<br />
Teacher: You&#8217;re right, it does look a bit yucky.  And you probably wouldn&#8217;t feel too good if you ate it, right?  That pizza was also made by someone who never made a pizza before in their life.  But never mind, we have a third pizza right here.<br />
(Teacher goes out of the room again, comes back with a third box.  As a mouth-watering aroma fills the room, Teacher opens the box to show a delicious-looking pie, done to a turn.)<br />
Teacher:  OK, what do you think?  Would you eat this pizza?<br />
(Various approving remarks from class.)<br />
Teacher:  Now, THIS pizza was cooked by someone who&#8217;s been making pizzas for years.  I don&#8217;t know how many pizzas this chef has made, but he&#8217;s pretty good at it by now.  Now class, if you find someone you love and want to be with forever, do YOU want to make them a nasty burnt pizza or an icky raw pizza, or do you want them to have a really tasty pizza like this?  Class dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: ako</title>
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		<dc:creator>ako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The whole concept of abstinence only education is pretty messed up, but the actual methodology is downright creepy. Roses with their petals ripped off (interesting the unspoken violence in that metaphor). Spat-out candy. Inanimate objects all around.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seriously.   When the one teacher called the tape in the garbage can &quot;Miss Tape,&quot; it made my skin crawl.

And having everyone spit in the cup is disturbingly reminiscent of the uglier sort of gangbang porn.    You know, the kind where it&#039;s not just about group sex, but about making it completely clear that the woman&#039;s just a thing to be used?   They&#039;re likely to have all the guys spit at the &#039;receptacle&#039; too.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The whole concept of abstinence only education is pretty messed up, but the actual methodology is downright creepy. Roses with their petals ripped off (interesting the unspoken violence in that metaphor). Spat-out candy. Inanimate objects all around.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seriously.   When the one teacher called the tape in the garbage can &#8220;Miss Tape,&#8221; it made my skin crawl.</p>
<p>And having everyone spit in the cup is disturbingly reminiscent of the uglier sort of gangbang porn.    You know, the kind where it&#8217;s not just about group sex, but about making it completely clear that the woman&#8217;s just a thing to be used?   They&#8217;re likely to have all the guys spit at the &#8216;receptacle&#8217; too.</p>
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		<title>By: BritGirlSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BritGirlSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 02:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even spies will be brought to their knees by a miniskirt! Didn’t you know that’s why Russia lost the Cold War? &quot;
And this is why I love you.
The whole concept of abstinence only education is pretty messed up, but the actual methodology is downright creepy. Roses with their petals ripped off (interesting the unspoken violence in that metaphor). Spat-out candy. Inanimate objects all around. 
The telling thing is that there&#039;s no mutuality in this model. One party is consumed/used by the other. The peppermint patty neither enjoys nor dislikes being eaten - it exists soley for someone else&#039;s pleasure. It is also destined to be eaten at some point, so really, from it&#039;s point of view, why should it care when it&#039;s eaten or by whom?
Bet that&#039;s not the message they intended to send to girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even spies will be brought to their knees by a miniskirt! Didn’t you know that’s why Russia lost the Cold War? &#8221;<br />
And this is why I love you.<br />
The whole concept of abstinence only education is pretty messed up, but the actual methodology is downright creepy. Roses with their petals ripped off (interesting the unspoken violence in that metaphor). Spat-out candy. Inanimate objects all around.<br />
The telling thing is that there&#8217;s no mutuality in this model. One party is consumed/used by the other. The peppermint patty neither enjoys nor dislikes being eaten &#8211; it exists soley for someone else&#8217;s pleasure. It is also destined to be eaten at some point, so really, from it&#8217;s point of view, why should it care when it&#8217;s eaten or by whom?<br />
Bet that&#8217;s not the message they intended to send to girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-96794</link>
		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mildred, as a person who met my now fiance over a D&amp;D game: trust me, it&#039;s not ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mildred, as a person who met my now fiance over a D&amp;D game: trust me, it&#8217;s not ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: R. Mildred</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/02/abstinence-only-craziness/#comment-96736</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Mildred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I’m not sure why religious-education advocates are using teaching aids that imply it’s okay to skin people alive and play with their insides, that sounds like the kind of thing they told me I’d do if I played too much Dungeons and Dragons.&lt;/i&gt;

And of course the funny thing is that D&amp;D &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; an effective form of contraception, unlike abstinence only education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I’m not sure why religious-education advocates are using teaching aids that imply it’s okay to skin people alive and play with their insides, that sounds like the kind of thing they told me I’d do if I played too much Dungeons and Dragons.</i></p>
<p>And of course the funny thing is that D&amp;D <i>is</i> an effective form of contraception, unlike abstinence only education.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Driver&#039;s Ed was just like Abstinence-Only education?  I mean, if we teach teenagers how to drive, they&#039;ll just run out and start driving all willy nilly and get themselves killed!  Instead, we should devote the semester to telling them just about how awesome driving is and how super it is, but that they shouldn&#039;t do it ever, and that it&#039;s very dangerous to do it without a license, but on the magical day you get your license, you&#039;ll instantly know how to drive safely.  Seriously, crazies, get out of the schools.

Though once, I attended a women-only Bible group in college where they did the &quot;passing around the rose&quot; bit.  Come to think of it, they talked about the whole &quot;saving ourselves&quot; stuff pretty much every week.  I think it was a &quot;let&#039;s convince ourselves&quot; move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Driver&#8217;s Ed was just like Abstinence-Only education?  I mean, if we teach teenagers how to drive, they&#8217;ll just run out and start driving all willy nilly and get themselves killed!  Instead, we should devote the semester to telling them just about how awesome driving is and how super it is, but that they shouldn&#8217;t do it ever, and that it&#8217;s very dangerous to do it without a license, but on the magical day you get your license, you&#8217;ll instantly know how to drive safely.  Seriously, crazies, get out of the schools.</p>
<p>Though once, I attended a women-only Bible group in college where they did the &#8220;passing around the rose&#8221; bit.  Come to think of it, they talked about the whole &#8220;saving ourselves&#8221; stuff pretty much every week.  I think it was a &#8220;let&#8217;s convince ourselves&#8221; move.</p>
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		<title>By: DataShade</title>
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		<dc:creator>DataShade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother and stepfather were terrible parents; my stepfather has actually called his oldest full-blood child a whore to her face when she came home from her first date.  All their Jesus-loving fact-hiding approach to sexual development ever got them was me erasing them from my life, my brother moving to California then Ithaca NY, and my sister dropping out of college to get a job with an indie band who needed a road manager.

And, amazingly, despite giving the finger to everything we were ever taught at home, none of us have ended up a nymphomaniac, a prostitute, nor even contracted an STD.


All that aside, the peppermint patty analogy just seems irrelevant.  If someone peeled open my girlfriend and had a room full of people rub their hands over the squishy bits inside, I&#039;d certainly be hesitant to take her back - especially if she was still open.  

But I&#039;m not sure why religious-education advocates are using teaching aids that imply it&#039;s okay to skin people alive and play with their insides, that sounds like the kind of thing they told me I&#039;d do if I played too much Dungeons and Dragons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother and stepfather were terrible parents; my stepfather has actually called his oldest full-blood child a whore to her face when she came home from her first date.  All their Jesus-loving fact-hiding approach to sexual development ever got them was me erasing them from my life, my brother moving to California then Ithaca NY, and my sister dropping out of college to get a job with an indie band who needed a road manager.</p>
<p>And, amazingly, despite giving the finger to everything we were ever taught at home, none of us have ended up a nymphomaniac, a prostitute, nor even contracted an STD.</p>
<p>All that aside, the peppermint patty analogy just seems irrelevant.  If someone peeled open my girlfriend and had a room full of people rub their hands over the squishy bits inside, I&#8217;d certainly be hesitant to take her back &#8211; especially if she was still open.  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure why religious-education advocates are using teaching aids that imply it&#8217;s okay to skin people alive and play with their insides, that sounds like the kind of thing they told me I&#8217;d do if I played too much Dungeons and Dragons.</p>
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