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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: KitKat's Critique</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/04/i-guess-pro-life-doesnt-include-brown-people/#comment-97121</link>
		<dc:creator>KitKat's Critique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Abstinence-Only Education Funding For People Who&#039;re Already Abstinent Till Marriage?! &lt;/strong&gt;

I think it&#039;s very important to write ALL our Congressmen, perhaps including this little dialogue I just made up just to make sure they can&#039;t miss our point and think we&#039;re advocating a change because of ideology rather than logic, and ask them to ch...</description>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s very important to write ALL our Congressmen, perhaps including this little dialogue I just made up just to make sure they can&#8217;t miss our point and think we&#8217;re advocating a change because of ideology rather than logic, and ask them to ch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/04/i-guess-pro-life-doesnt-include-brown-people/#comment-97120</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://kitkatscritique.blogspot.com/2007/04/abstinence-only-education-funding-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thanks for the story, Jill.  I blogged about it here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kitkatscritique.blogspot.com/2007/04/abstinence-only-education-funding-for.html" rel="nofollow">Thanks for the story, Jill.  I blogged about it here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Trinifar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinifar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was stunned to find out how progressive Iran&#039;s (yes, Iran, the country GWB is so eager to demonize) family planning programs are.  I wrote about it here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://trinifar.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/learning-from-iran-about-family-planning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;learning from Iran about family planning&lt;/a&gt;.  For example, in Iran all contraception, from condoms to the pill, is free.  Can you imagine that happening in our &quot;far more progressive&quot; democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was stunned to find out how progressive Iran&#8217;s (yes, Iran, the country GWB is so eager to demonize) family planning programs are.  I wrote about it here:  <a href="http://trinifar.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/learning-from-iran-about-family-planning/" rel="nofollow">learning from Iran about family planning</a>.  For example, in Iran all contraception, from condoms to the pill, is free.  Can you imagine that happening in our &#8220;far more progressive&#8221; democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: DDay</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how Bush didn&#039;t mention this fact in his SOTU when he talked about all the aid we give to combat AIDS in Africa.

It is all so demoralizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how Bush didn&#8217;t mention this fact in his SOTU when he talked about all the aid we give to combat AIDS in Africa.</p>
<p>It is all so demoralizing.</p>
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		<title>By: ako</title>
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		<dc:creator>ako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well I’m an expat in Cambodia where the two most common modes of transmission are husband to wife and mother to child. It is estimated that 90% of the men in this country go to prostitutes. It’s accepted and perfectly normal - it’s not something they try to hide in mixed company or anything like that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can tell you the situation in the Philippines isn&#039;t that much better.  I spent a few years there, among other things working with local organizations on HIV awareness, and husbands going to prostitutes is widespread.   Especially husbands who work away from the family for any length of time.   And the majority of women in the Philippines who catch HIV catch it from their own husbands, which isn&#039;t really surprising.

Teaching abstinence or monogamy only doesn&#039;t help the problem at all, especially given the social situation where an unfaithful woman&#039;s viewed with far more condemnation than an unfaithful man (&lt;em&gt;she&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; not considered to have a need for sex that must be satisfied somehow).    Telling a woman to be monogamous isn&#039;t going to protect her or reduce her risks that much, and abstinence isn&#039;t a practical option for every woman everywhere, especially not for her entire life.    Condoms, when accurate information is available about them, they can be bought in reasonably non-shaming circumstances (as in a woman can get them at the local pharmacy without the clerk assuming, and telling all the neighbors she&#039;s having an affair), they&#039;re afforably priced, and women haven&#039;t been scared away from them by the Catholic Church*, are fairly effective.   As is linking decriminalization of prostitution to STD testing, although legalization would have far more benefit in encouraging testing and ensuring participants were consenting adults (anyone who might consider going to a prostitute but feels ethically bound to make sure she&#039;s a consenting adult, DO NOT hire virtually any prostitute you can find in the Philippines even if she smiles and says she&#039;s eighteen and says no one&#039;s forcing her, because there&#039;s a good chance she was threatened into lying).    

ABC is better than nothing in a lot of places because people don&#039;t know the basic facts (part of the reason for the country&#039;s low rate of known HIV infections is that many health care workers don&#039;t understand how HIV works and don&#039;t think that someone who obviously has a non-HIV related disease can have HIV).   But any attempt to teach about HIV prevention has to ge beyond the neat little presumption that abstinence is a simple choice you can make where the only downside is going without sex, or that monogamy is simply you decide to be monogamous, you get your partner to agree, and you&#039;re safe forever, which dominates too much of the ABC-approach educational material.

*I will confine myself to respectfully disagreeing with the Catholic Church&#039;s moral stance on condom use the day I see an agressive worldwide effort by the church to prevent HIV by fighting marital infidelity (particularly among men), sexual abuse and exploitation of teenagers, double standards that allow Catholic men to pay lip service to fidelity and sexual restraint while having affairs and patronizing prostitutes, and all other things considered sinful that actively spread HIV, and do so on a larger scale than they attempt to condemn and fight condom use, the &quot;sin&quot; that &lt;em&gt;saves&lt;/em&gt; lives.    Until that happens, I am going to call the church&#039;s stance as I see it, an irrational double standard that panders to humanity&#039;s baser instincts (it&#039;s easier to focus on the obvious, superficial, and new-therefore-shocking symbols of human promiscuity than to dig into matters that have been running under the surface of society, which society has been structured for centuries to accept).    I understand individual Catholics may, and frequently do have different stances than official Church policy, and don&#039;t intend to accuse you all of holding the Vatican&#039;s point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well I’m an expat in Cambodia where the two most common modes of transmission are husband to wife and mother to child. It is estimated that 90% of the men in this country go to prostitutes. It’s accepted and perfectly normal &#8211; it’s not something they try to hide in mixed company or anything like that.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can tell you the situation in the Philippines isn&#8217;t that much better.  I spent a few years there, among other things working with local organizations on HIV awareness, and husbands going to prostitutes is widespread.   Especially husbands who work away from the family for any length of time.   And the majority of women in the Philippines who catch HIV catch it from their own husbands, which isn&#8217;t really surprising.</p>
<p>Teaching abstinence or monogamy only doesn&#8217;t help the problem at all, especially given the social situation where an unfaithful woman&#8217;s viewed with far more condemnation than an unfaithful man (<em>she&#8217;s</em> not considered to have a need for sex that must be satisfied somehow).    Telling a woman to be monogamous isn&#8217;t going to protect her or reduce her risks that much, and abstinence isn&#8217;t a practical option for every woman everywhere, especially not for her entire life.    Condoms, when accurate information is available about them, they can be bought in reasonably non-shaming circumstances (as in a woman can get them at the local pharmacy without the clerk assuming, and telling all the neighbors she&#8217;s having an affair), they&#8217;re afforably priced, and women haven&#8217;t been scared away from them by the Catholic Church*, are fairly effective.   As is linking decriminalization of prostitution to STD testing, although legalization would have far more benefit in encouraging testing and ensuring participants were consenting adults (anyone who might consider going to a prostitute but feels ethically bound to make sure she&#8217;s a consenting adult, DO NOT hire virtually any prostitute you can find in the Philippines even if she smiles and says she&#8217;s eighteen and says no one&#8217;s forcing her, because there&#8217;s a good chance she was threatened into lying).    </p>
<p>ABC is better than nothing in a lot of places because people don&#8217;t know the basic facts (part of the reason for the country&#8217;s low rate of known HIV infections is that many health care workers don&#8217;t understand how HIV works and don&#8217;t think that someone who obviously has a non-HIV related disease can have HIV).   But any attempt to teach about HIV prevention has to ge beyond the neat little presumption that abstinence is a simple choice you can make where the only downside is going without sex, or that monogamy is simply you decide to be monogamous, you get your partner to agree, and you&#8217;re safe forever, which dominates too much of the ABC-approach educational material.</p>
<p>*I will confine myself to respectfully disagreeing with the Catholic Church&#8217;s moral stance on condom use the day I see an agressive worldwide effort by the church to prevent HIV by fighting marital infidelity (particularly among men), sexual abuse and exploitation of teenagers, double standards that allow Catholic men to pay lip service to fidelity and sexual restraint while having affairs and patronizing prostitutes, and all other things considered sinful that actively spread HIV, and do so on a larger scale than they attempt to condemn and fight condom use, the &#8220;sin&#8221; that <em>saves</em> lives.    Until that happens, I am going to call the church&#8217;s stance as I see it, an irrational double standard that panders to humanity&#8217;s baser instincts (it&#8217;s easier to focus on the obvious, superficial, and new-therefore-shocking symbols of human promiscuity than to dig into matters that have been running under the surface of society, which society has been structured for centuries to accept).    I understand individual Catholics may, and frequently do have different stances than official Church policy, and don&#8217;t intend to accuse you all of holding the Vatican&#8217;s point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Saorla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saorla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m an expat in Cambodia where the two most common modes of transmission are husband to wife and mother to child. It is estimated that 90% of the men in this country go to prostitutes. It&#039;s accepted and perfectly normal - it&#039;s not something they try to hide in mixed company or anything like that.

A recent report from UNAIDS shows that condom promotion is so successful with the official sex workers that many men are now going to bar girls and indirect sex workers so they can have sex without condoms.

The ABC &quot;method&quot; is beyond ridiculous in this country and in most I imagine. Wives cannot say no or ask there husbands to wear a condom.

Lets hope for some pragmatism soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m an expat in Cambodia where the two most common modes of transmission are husband to wife and mother to child. It is estimated that 90% of the men in this country go to prostitutes. It&#8217;s accepted and perfectly normal &#8211; it&#8217;s not something they try to hide in mixed company or anything like that.</p>
<p>A recent report from UNAIDS shows that condom promotion is so successful with the official sex workers that many men are now going to bar girls and indirect sex workers so they can have sex without condoms.</p>
<p>The ABC &#8220;method&#8221; is beyond ridiculous in this country and in most I imagine. Wives cannot say no or ask there husbands to wear a condom.</p>
<p>Lets hope for some pragmatism soon!</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://abirdandabottle.com/2007/04/04/and-they-call-this-pro-life/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amen&lt;/a&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://abirdandabottle.com/2007/04/04/and-they-call-this-pro-life/" rel="nofollow">Amen</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/04/i-guess-pro-life-doesnt-include-brown-people/#comment-97019</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much money do you need to spend to say, &quot;Don&#039;t have sex, or else!&quot; Honestly, I&#039;ll do it for them on my own dime, even though I completely disagree with abstinence-only programs of any sort, be it sex ed or AIDS prevention, as long as they promise to divert the funds they&#039;d otherwise spend toward &lt;i&gt;useful&lt;/i&gt; projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much money do you need to spend to say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t have sex, or else!&#8221; Honestly, I&#8217;ll do it for them on my own dime, even though I completely disagree with abstinence-only programs of any sort, be it sex ed or AIDS prevention, as long as they promise to divert the funds they&#8217;d otherwise spend toward <i>useful</i> projects.</p>
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		<title>By: johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that editorial this morning.  Sick and wrong, Bush, as usual . . . I shouldn&#039;t be surprised though . . . as funding useless crap as women die seems to be the order of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that editorial this morning.  Sick and wrong, Bush, as usual . . . I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised though . . . as funding useless crap as women die seems to be the order of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Abstinence and Marriage: Reality Check &#171; The Blog and the Bullet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abstinence and Marriage: Reality Check &#171; The Blog and the Bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Marriage: Reality&#160;Check  		Posted by Jack Stephens on April 4th, 2007  		 			Jill writes: Good to know that abstinence-until-marriag [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Marriage: Reality&nbsp;Check  		Posted by Jack Stephens on April 4th, 2007  		 			Jill writes: Good to know that abstinence-until-marriag [...]</p>
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