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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golis, Editor TPMCafe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99252</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golis, Editor TPMCafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick response to Echidne: though it&#039;s true that many anti-feminist views were offered in that thread, they were almost 80% from just one user.  Most of the Cafe denizens were fighting against him.

In terms of &quot;weeding&quot; the thread, I generally try to stay hands off unless something crosses the line.  While I might not agree with many of the anti-feminist arguments that were made on that thread, that&#039;s not reason enough to start to delete things.  Also, the community itself is pretty good about discussing this stuff.

I&#039;m curious as to what others think we can do better, though.  Always open to constructive criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick response to Echidne: though it&#8217;s true that many anti-feminist views were offered in that thread, they were almost 80% from just one user.  Most of the Cafe denizens were fighting against him.</p>
<p>In terms of &#8220;weeding&#8221; the thread, I generally try to stay hands off unless something crosses the line.  While I might not agree with many of the anti-feminist arguments that were made on that thread, that&#8217;s not reason enough to start to delete things.  Also, the community itself is pretty good about discussing this stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious as to what others think we can do better, though.  Always open to constructive criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fecke</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99093</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Fecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;is “the feministing crowd” now the new code for “the women’s studies set”?&lt;/i&gt;

I hope so.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>is “the feministing crowd” now the new code for “the women’s studies set”?</i></p>
<p>I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99061</link>
		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they would use the exact same tactic against guys too, but it wouldn’t work.&lt;/i&gt; - W. Kiernan

Except they do sometimes use these tactics against guys, although certainly not as often as they do against women.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they would use the exact same tactic against guys too, but it wouldn’t work.</i> &#8211; W. Kiernan</p>
<p>Except they do sometimes use these tactics against guys, although certainly not as often as they do against women.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99034</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but to have someone go on and on in great detail about torturing, raping and killing you is whole new level of crap that no one should be expected to quietly put up with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To me, that&#039;s the key to this whole issue - opening up space in the culture of blogs for people to actually talk about how these things affect them and not just pretend that we&#039;re too strong or smart to let them hurt us.  Being bullied isn&#039;t about how strong the bullied is, it&#039;s about how cruel the bully is, and until we see that, keeping quiet about it is the same as victim-blaming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but to have someone go on and on in great detail about torturing, raping and killing you is whole new level of crap that no one should be expected to quietly put up with.</p></blockquote>
<p>To me, that&#8217;s the key to this whole issue &#8211; opening up space in the culture of blogs for people to actually talk about how these things affect them and not just pretend that we&#8217;re too strong or smart to let them hurt us.  Being bullied isn&#8217;t about how strong the bullied is, it&#8217;s about how cruel the bully is, and until we see that, keeping quiet about it is the same as victim-blaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Torri</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99031</link>
		<dc:creator>Torri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say men just about never get raped out of prison, I think it&#039;s more that men are more likely to hide and repress.
But I agree with W. Kiernan&#039;s point.
I&#039;m sick of seeing all this shrugging off of the issue, like the people being harassed should just walk it off. Some creep leaving hate mail is one thing, but to have someone go on and on in great detail about torturing, raping and killing you is whole new level of crap that no one should be expected to quietly put up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d say men just about never get raped out of prison, I think it&#8217;s more that men are more likely to hide and repress.<br />
But I agree with W. Kiernan&#8217;s point.<br />
I&#8217;m sick of seeing all this shrugging off of the issue, like the people being harassed should just walk it off. Some creep leaving hate mail is one thing, but to have someone go on and on in great detail about torturing, raping and killing you is whole new level of crap that no one should be expected to quietly put up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Echidne of the snakes</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-99015</link>
		<dc:creator>Echidne of the snakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That comments thread to E.J.&#039;s piece was very interesting.  It had every excuse and belittling opinion about violence against women one could possibly imagine.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen that done before.  Although the guys at Alternet tend to go all misogynistic, too, whenever a post says that women have any problems whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comments thread to E.J.&#8217;s piece was very interesting.  It had every excuse and belittling opinion about violence against women one could possibly imagine.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen that done before.  Although the guys at Alternet tend to go all misogynistic, too, whenever a post says that women have any problems whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: sophonisba</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-98975</link>
		<dc:creator>sophonisba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What’s even more appalling is that the women who participate in those fora are blind to the abuse, often because the guys think they are cute.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How, exactly, is that more appalling than men being abusive? I&#039;m interested to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What’s even more appalling is that the women who participate in those fora are blind to the abuse, often because the guys think they are cute.</p></blockquote>
<p>How, exactly, is that more appalling than men being abusive? I&#8217;m interested to know.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-98947</link>
		<dc:creator>W. Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do bullies use sexualized insults and threats of violence to harass women?  Because it works; it offends and scares women.  Being antisocial, they would use the exact same tactic against guys too, but it wouldn&#039;t work.

That&#039;s a matter of statistics; anybody is going to be a lot more nervous about dangers that happen all the time than about dangers that almost never happen.  If some internet psycho started sending me (I&#039;m male) threats of rape, I wouldn&#039;t believe he&#039;d actually do it, because outside of prisons, males almost never get raped.  So it&#039;s just not a credible threat.  Since the typical male target remains unaffected by this variety of threat, psycho bully types don&#039;t bother pulling that act on male targets.

Whereas everybody who reads the paper or watches the teevee news knows women get raped pretty often.  So when some creep starts mouthing off though he were going to stalk and rape a woman, even though most likely he&#039;s just a jerk-off trying to freak her out, she takes the threat seriously, because that sort of thing actually has happened frequently before.  Since that technique of harassment achieves its goal so often - the creep who is trying to freak the woman out does so - that successful technique gets used again and again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do bullies use sexualized insults and threats of violence to harass women?  Because it works; it offends and scares women.  Being antisocial, they would use the exact same tactic against guys too, but it wouldn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a matter of statistics; anybody is going to be a lot more nervous about dangers that happen all the time than about dangers that almost never happen.  If some internet psycho started sending me (I&#8217;m male) threats of rape, I wouldn&#8217;t believe he&#8217;d actually do it, because outside of prisons, males almost never get raped.  So it&#8217;s just not a credible threat.  Since the typical male target remains unaffected by this variety of threat, psycho bully types don&#8217;t bother pulling that act on male targets.</p>
<p>Whereas everybody who reads the paper or watches the teevee news knows women get raped pretty often.  So when some creep starts mouthing off though he were going to stalk and rape a woman, even though most likely he&#8217;s just a jerk-off trying to freak her out, she takes the threat seriously, because that sort of thing actually has happened frequently before.  Since that technique of harassment achieves its goal so often &#8211; the creep who is trying to freak the woman out does so &#8211; that successful technique gets used again and again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: oudemia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-98913</link>
		<dc:creator>oudemia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconding evil fizz, Bruce and others who think there needs to be some wheat/chaff separation over there at TPM Café. The obnoxious commenter just utterly derails and disallows any interesting conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconding evil fizz, Bruce and others who think there needs to be some wheat/chaff separation over there at TPM Café. The obnoxious commenter just utterly derails and disallows any interesting conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Moira</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/04/13/this-seems-pertenant/#comment-98890</link>
		<dc:creator>Moira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must be tiring to live with so much rage all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be tiring to live with so much rage all the time.</p>
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