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  1. Blue Jean
    Blue Jean April 23, 2007 at 11:30 pm |

    Wow. And here I thought I was just vegging out when I was watching “Women in Peril Week” on Lifetime. I had no idea I was subverting the entire patriarchal establishment.

    Thanks for making me feel more radical, Dave. But I’m still not getting you a sandwich.

  2. Thorn
    Thorn April 23, 2007 at 11:32 pm |

    Now now, I really don’t think you’re giving David fair credit, here. He did get one thing right:

    Lifetime Movie Network’s programming hurts far more women than it helps.

    Though maybe it does not mean what he thinks it means.

  3. Ancrene Wiseass
    Ancrene Wiseass April 24, 2007 at 12:00 am |

    Wednesday on Lifetime, an honest, tragic story from the husband’s point of view: “Burnt Offerings: I Told the Bitch I Wanted My Steak Rare.”

    Mmmkay: next time you’re gonna drop a line that funny on us, you should maybe warn us not to read the post while drinking Diet Coke?

    *wipes down computer screen*

    *doffs imaginary hat*

  4. Lara
    Lara April 24, 2007 at 12:06 am |

    I never thought I would see the day where I am defending Lifetime….but here it is….
    Wow, David needs to get a clue. Apparently, there’s a huge “men’s rights” movement in New Zealand and Australia that tries to tout the same stupid lies. Amazing how these white “Westerners” lash out at Muslim countries for their sexism when they treat women like crap themselves. Sheesh.
    I mean do I need to comment anymore on this guy?

  5. Mnemosyne
    Mnemosyne April 24, 2007 at 12:17 am |

    “Lies about men and domestic violence may have millions of victims. The Duke Rape case is the most visible: Three young men nearly went to prison for thirty years based on no evidence whatsoever.”

    I know I shouldn’t be astonished by anything MRAs do, but I’m surprised that they took the Duke case boys to their heart and not, say, Anthony Capozzi, who really was genuinely harmed by a faulty rape case.

    Almost makes you think the Duke case really was about race and class to these guys, doesn’t it? Hmmm. Either that, or these guys think that getting your name and face on TV is worse than spending 22 years in prison for a crime you didn’t commit.

  6. kidlacan
    kidlacan April 24, 2007 at 12:21 am |

    exactly what sort of programming is supposed to help women “work positively through” menopause? and shouldn’t Spike TV correspondingly have programming to help men build their marriages, if we’re going on a social-responsibility jag? the 8.5 year i-want-to-bang-that-hawt-temp personal crisis, the 6 year beer-belly-development…. oh, wait, i guess that would cut too heavily into Wacky Japanese Gameshow Rerun Time.

    i’d actually consider watching lifetime if it involved more dynamite-planting. or if they still showed reruns of homicide.

  7. Karl Wallinger
    Karl Wallinger April 24, 2007 at 12:23 am |

    You left out my favorite part: “…in fact young university women in most nations are statistically more violent than young men.”

  8. slythwolf
    slythwolf April 24, 2007 at 12:50 am |

    Wait, Lifetime is feminist now? How is the notion that women need their own channel–and that that channel should be filled with B movies and reruns of The Golden Girls–remotely feminist?

  9. Tanooki Joe
    Tanooki Joe April 24, 2007 at 1:47 am |

    David Usher, however, is here to topple the radical feminist machine! He shall be Thomas Nast to Boss Twisty!

    Beautiful.

    Boss Twisty would actually be a cool nickname…

  10. Jennifer
    Jennifer April 24, 2007 at 2:13 am |

    Wow. In a completely suprising turn, this makes me want to watch Lifetime more.

    I mean, I rag on it, but my Grandma watches those movies of the week, and she is old, still refers to Black people as “colored,” and because of Lifetime, she has seen the movie about what’s her name- Gwen A-something, the transexual who was beaten to death at 17. I mean, really, there is no other way she would learn about people like that, and that movie made it real for her.

    What I like about most of the movies- yes, the woman faces adversity, usually from men, but- especially in movies based on real people- they fight back through legal means to stick it to their abuser and then often get laws passed to stop the sick behavior.

    Please note, this might not make sense when the sun comes up. So lets just say- yay Lifetime!

  11. belledame222
    belledame222 April 24, 2007 at 2:56 am |

    god, i don’t know. watch more Lifetime or (shudder) read David Usher to find out why? i’ll take door number 3, Alex.

    i do like the idea of him waking up in the middle of the night, screaming with terror after having watched one too many “man-hating” MOW’s on Lifetime.

    “It’s only a movie…it’s only a movie…”

    soothes himself back to sleep with the toy monster truck collection no doubt

    (Gwen Araujo)

  12. Mostly Normal
    Mostly Normal April 24, 2007 at 4:36 am |

    Wow. In a completely suprising turn, this makes me want to watch Lifetime more.

    I totally agree. I mean, you know I love the Nanny and Golden Girls, but I had no idea that watching them made me a better feminist.

    Not one of LMN’s shows honestly presents the true facts of domestic violence or holds women responsible for the half of domestic violence they DO initiate.

    Clearly this dude has not watched a lot of Lifetime. Remember the Judith Light movie about female domestic abusers? Riveting!

    and shouldn’t Spike TV correspondingly have programming to help men build their marriages, if we’re going on a social-responsibility jag? the 8.5 year i-want-to-bang-that-hawt-temp personal crisis, the 6 year beer-belly-development…. oh, wait, i guess that would cut too heavily into Wacky Japanese Gameshow Rerun Time.

    I say, they let us have our early-90’s politely empowering movies, and Spike gets to keep “big breasted chicks on a trampoline.”

  13. iain
    iain April 24, 2007 at 4:47 am |

    This guy is unhinged.

    This creeping agenda … is the primary predictor of poverty for women and children.

    What does that even mean?

  14. A Pang
    A Pang April 24, 2007 at 6:44 am |

    Well, apparently the more you identify as a radical feminist, the more likely it is that you’re poor. No, I don’t get it either.

  15. Mostly Normal
    Mostly Normal April 24, 2007 at 6:55 am |

    The “MRA” (seriously, what?) people have made a mess of Wikipedia’s entry for the VAMA. Anybody who knows how to edit/enjoys editing Wikipedia better than idea should take a crack at it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act

  16. evil fizz
    evil fizz April 24, 2007 at 8:17 am | *

    Mostly Normal, I’ve removed the links to Phyllis Schlafly and the Eagle Forum as authoritative sources. I’ll edit it more fully later on today.

    *headdesk*

  17. Frumious B
    Frumious B April 24, 2007 at 8:32 am |

    Wednesday on Lifetime, an honest, tragic story from the husband’s point of view: “Burnt Offerings: I Told the Bitch I Wanted My Steak Rare.”

    I love you zuzu. Will you marry me?

  18. Blitzgal
    Blitzgal April 24, 2007 at 8:33 am |

    Let me get this straight:

    -it’s important to be tough on crime and criminals have way too many rights due to the ACLU liberals–except for accused rapists, who are the victims of a feminist conspiracy.

    –out of the hundreds of people being held for years without charges on suspicion of terrorism, there has been one conviction. But it’s actually the investigation of human trafficking that is meritless.

    –cheap exploitation films that sensationalize violence against women are actually part of a vast feminist conspiracy to create the delusion that women are vulnerable to rape and battery. Because clearly no one ever actually harms a woman. Not ever. But we’re in Iraq because we need to liberate the people and isn’t it wonderful that women are actually allowed to go to school in Afghanistan again? We did that! USA is awesome.

  19. Robert M.
    Robert M. April 24, 2007 at 8:58 am |

    The Duke Rape case is the most visible: Three young men nearly went to prison for thirty years trial based on no evidence whatsoever.

    There, fixed.

    LMN must start planting seeds for personal growth and happiness in women…

    Because them wimmins is just fallow fields, waiting for someone with agency to bestow his seed upon them. I was worried when it started to look like this moron was going to make it all the way through the piece without dipping into medieval agricultural metaphors–glad to see he didn’t disappoint.

  20. alphabitch
    alphabitch April 24, 2007 at 9:04 am |

    “…Tinkly Pianos of Peril …”

    Tinkly Pianos of Peril!!!??? The whole post is brilliant, but the Tinkly Pianos of Peril just made my day. Although “He shall be Thomas Nast to Boss Twisty!” is pretty funny too. And I can’t wait for “Burnt Offering” to come out on DVD.

    Thank you.

  21. little light
    little light April 24, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    I totally agree. I mean, you know I love the Nanny and Golden Girls, but I had no idea that watching them made me a better feminist.

    Honey, watching The Golden Girls will make you a better everything. Oh, that Blanche, always getting in trouble with the wrong rest-home Lothario!

    (And Jennifer, hey, there’s that. My mother wouldn’t read anything I suggested to her, but she watched a relevant “Oprah” and Transamerica, and seems to have calmed down, some, you know? She wouldn’t trust my sources, but the magic box made with the safer pictures, and it’s a start.)

  22. Mnemosyne
    Mnemosyne April 24, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    And one bit of info on “Lifetime” movies:

    When I was in film school, one of my screenwriting teachers was being courted by Lifetime to write a movie for them (he had a pretty solid track record of TV movie writing). They have a very specific outline that you have to follow of what needs to happen when. It was cracking him up that he was getting ready to write what he considered to be the ultimate Lifetime movie: woman with deadly disease is in peril and trying to save her child. The whole outline was very carefully market-tested with the target audience, so you’re not allowed to stray from it at all.

  23. Marked Hoosier
    Marked Hoosier April 24, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    I wonder what he thinks about that channel Oxygen?

    :)

  24. bellatrys
    bellatrys April 24, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    More reports on the verdict here

  25. wildstarryskies
    wildstarryskies April 24, 2007 at 11:03 am |

    No, Robert, it should go like this..

    The Duke Rape case is the most visible: Three young men nearly to trial trial based on insufficient evidence.

  26. wildstarryskies
    wildstarryskies April 24, 2007 at 11:03 am |

    ugh ugh, i messed that up.

    The Duke Rape case is the most visible: Three young men nearly went to trial based on insufficient evidence.

    I don’t know how to do the cross-out thing?

  27. preying mantis
    preying mantis April 24, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    Strike-through: [s][/s] Only the brackets are greater than and less than signs instead, so the text looks like this.

  28. preying mantis
    preying mantis April 24, 2007 at 11:09 am |

    That’s weird. It showed up properly in the preview window.

  29. StarWatcher
    StarWatcher April 24, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    Sometimes it helps to use the whole word.

    <strike>crosses out</strike>

    This works in preview but, as I found out last week, preview does not always equal what’s actually posted. The acid test is to hit “submit comment”, so…

  30. Casey
    Casey April 24, 2007 at 11:40 am |

    Actually, Lifetime Movie Network is an offshoot of Lifetime TV, not one and the same channel. [/TV gofer]

  31. Legs Sadovsky
    Legs Sadovsky April 24, 2007 at 12:52 pm |

    holy cow. Because this guy obviously has nothing better to do but obsess over Lifetime inbetween beating his Russian Mail Order bride because she’s starting to ask questions. And I never thought I’d be on Lifetime’s side.

  32. A Pang
    A Pang April 24, 2007 at 1:29 pm |

    I wonder what he thinks about that channel Oxygen?

    Don’t let him discover there are two women’s TV networks. His head might explode from the sheer gynocentricity of it all. Because marketing things to women is, of course, calculated to make them spend money, which they can only acquire by reeling in some helpless sucker, divorcing him, and shaking him down for child support and alimony. And the misfortunes of men are what the radical feminism industry feeds on.

    *snort*

  33. Robert M.
    Robert M. April 24, 2007 at 1:47 pm |

    wildstarry–

    You’re right, of course. I was merely trying to underscore the ridiculousness of the rampant “they nearly went to prison!” hyperbole.

    My theory is that the reason that MRAs looooove the Duke case (instead of, as Mnemosyne pointed out, a case where someone was falsely convicted for rape) is because accusations leveled by a poor, minority sex worker against righteous, innocent good ol’ boys fit their faux-martyred viewpoint so much better.

    It’s a sort of antidote to the picture Lifetime (for all its faults) presents: if they can more easily other victims of abuse, then they don’t have to face up to the fact that those victims could be their sisters, mothers, or daughters.

  34. Moira
    Moira April 24, 2007 at 1:49 pm |

    bellatrys, that’s one of the most revolting things I’ve ever heard of.

  35. Kristen from MA
    Kristen from MA April 24, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    In psychology, “projection” of one’s problems on another person is a classic marker of the dysfunctional personality.

    seriously.

  36. Mostly Normal
    Mostly Normal April 24, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    gynocentricity

    That word makes me think of objects spinning around a vagina.

  37. Vera Venom
    Vera Venom April 24, 2007 at 2:22 pm |

    “I know I shouldn’t be astonished by anything MRAs do, but I’m surprised that they took the Duke case boys to their heart and not, say, Anthony Capozzi, who really was genuinely harmed by a faulty rape case.”

    The Duke case was national. The Bike Path Rapist case is generally just known to those in the WNY/Southern Ontario region.

    It only suits them to spin that which everyone knows about. And actually wrongly convicted man who didn’t get national attention doesn’t qualify.

  38. Lorelei
    Lorelei April 24, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    gynocentricity

    That word makes me think of objects spinning around a vagina.

    ME TOO. god, this is giving me weird ideas now… :O

    :P

  39. Smartparol
    Smartparol April 24, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    Call me “Country Bumkin”, but what is “MRA”?

  40. Smartparol
    Smartparol April 24, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    Whoops. I meant “Bumpkin”. Duh.

  41. Lorelei
    Lorelei April 24, 2007 at 3:29 pm |

    Men’s Rights Activist.

    …whatever rights they need.

  42. BStu
    BStu April 24, 2007 at 3:35 pm |

    Wow. Just wow.

    One imagines that when crafting a message to sway corporations to your cause, “They work to protect women from domestic abuse” is probably not a talking point often used against someone. One imagines because it would fail quite miserably.

    “They raise awareness about domestic violence!”

    “Why that does sound like a worthy cause. Do you want us to make a grant?”

    “No! You don’t understand. That’s why you should cut ties with them or we’ll publicize your support for them.”

    “Say, that’s quite the offer. We do nothing at all and you’ll generate publicity making our corporation look great. And you’ll do it for free. That’s a better deal than our PR firm. Sign us up.”

  43. Elizabeth
    Elizabeth April 24, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    And now I admit that I do, in fact, enjoy Lifetime when I actually watch tv. I gotta say, it does present these topics, but there are plenty of times women are seen more sexualized and whatnot (but I suppose it is reflecting on society today.)

  44. wildstarryskies
    wildstarryskies April 24, 2007 at 6:15 pm |

    since i’m on a roll here, could you guys tell me how to:

    1.blockquote
    2. bold
    3.italics

    pretty please?

  45. Allison
    Allison April 24, 2007 at 6:27 pm |

    The Duke case was national. The Bike Path Rapist case is generally just known to those in the WNY/Southern Ontario region.

    Also, Anthony Capozzi is schizophrenic. Considering the opinions many of the people on the right have expressed over the last week about people with mental illnesses, I hardly expect them to make “one of them Crazies” their poster boy.

    Of course, that just makes them bigger assholes.

  46. Allison
    Allison April 24, 2007 at 6:36 pm |

    wildstarryskies,

    Bold is either &#60b&#62text&#60/b&#62 or &#60strong&#62text&#60/strong&#62 (the second choice will have an effect on reading software for the visually-impaired, I think).

    Italics is &#60i&#62text&#60/i&#62 or &#60em&#62text&#60/em&#62 (second choice has an effect on reading software, too).

    Blockquote is &#60blockquote&#62

    text

    &#60/blockquote&#62.

    The &#60&#62 represent the inclusion of markup; the / represents closing that particular piece of markup. Don’t forget the / in your second tag in the set, though!

  47. Allison
    Allison April 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm |

    AAAAARRRGH! They worked in the preview!

    *shamefaced*

  48. MikeEss
    MikeEss April 24, 2007 at 6:49 pm |

    Here is a page on Pandagon on HTML formatting. I think most of these things works correctly here…

  49. Allie
    Allie April 24, 2007 at 6:50 pm |

    bellatrys, that’s … I have no words for how awful and ridiculous that story is. I don’t know whether to say “thanks for the link”…

  50. Melissa M.
    Melissa M. April 24, 2007 at 8:02 pm |

    Off topic: I don’t know if any of you already saw, but the New York Times is reporting that Mexico City lawmakers voted to legalize abortion today.

  51. MikeEss
    MikeEss April 24, 2007 at 8:05 pm |

    zuzu, you guys make too damn easy. The Pandagon way makes you tougher!… :)

  52. wildstarryskies
    wildstarryskies April 24, 2007 at 8:28 pm |

    Wow, thread still going.

    anyway, I wanted to add a completely useless remark.

    So, all of you, your favorite way to waste an afternoon is to watch LMN, please raise your hands.

    *raising hand*

  53. Alexandra Lynch
    Alexandra Lynch April 24, 2007 at 9:03 pm |

    You know, now I feel bad admitting that I don’t watch Lifetime and would rather have it off my lineup. (As I don’t currently have cable, it is.) But I can appreciate its value in trickling into women’s minds that “if he hits you it’s abuse” and “people worse off than you have divorced and survived and been happy”.

    We have to talk to people in language they understand.

  54. Taube
    Taube April 24, 2007 at 10:20 pm |

    Shorter MRA: “Civil rights are a two-way street, you know. The rights of her face end where my fist begins.”

    Also: I always found Lifetime movies rather boring, but now I kind of want to watch some . . . if David Usher isn’t the intellectually dishonest, misogynistic asshole that he appears to be, he is one of the greatest practitioners of reverse psychology ever!

  55. blucas!
    blucas! April 25, 2007 at 2:19 am |

    Funny, Lifetime just came out with their fall offerings today:

    quote TV guide:

    “Future offerings include the one-hour dramas Chambermaid about an attorney fresh out of law school clerking for a powerful judge; Bailey Weggins, the adventures of a divorcee-cum-investigative reporter; Burnt Toast, based on the memoir by Desperate Housewives’ star Teri Hatcher”

    haha a woman clerking for a powerful judge. Now I know Lifetime is a fantasy land.

  56. Rose
    Rose April 25, 2007 at 3:49 pm |

    I always knew the Golden Girls were agents of the secret radical feminist agenda!

    That must be why I love them so damn much!

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