What do we have to do to get a better class of troll around here?

Back to the subject, sold in store supplements are not as rigorously followed as doctor prescribed, so high leptin infant formula would likely be doctor prescribed, at least initially- this means out of the reach of most families unless it is supported by state-funded programs. I don’t see this happening anytime soon and any firm results will take 15+ years to be seen, longer for it to show any positive result in a large population.

For one thing, as Price points out, who’s going to offer up their infants for experimental research?

Is a 6th grader any different?

Ever listen to TV? There is s commercial now about how as many as 70% of people taking anti-depression pills aren’t getting any relief. How can anyone condemn someone for wanting to protect ‘their’ child?

I won’t make anymore jokes if someone would please explain to me why it is a capitol offense to give hormones and the best thing since sliced bread to give HPV vaccine?

Again, you don’t seem to understand that a hormone and a vaccine are not the same thing. They are very different things that don’t act in a similar manner in even the vaguest way.

It’s not just apples and oranges you’re comparing here — you’re saying, “Why won’t you admit that this steak and this tree are exactly the same thing?!?!”

Really, I think you’re the stupidest troll I’ve seen online in a very long time. Let me guess — 14 years old, logging online from mommy’s basement?

Thanks for the link, but I didn’t read it. I have, how do you say, personal experience in the matter.

I see this issue as another attempt to make a cheap buck off women (never seen that before!) by preying on their fears of being fat.

As far as obese not being good for you, duh. You will be hard-pressed to find a morbidly obese person who says, “I can’t walk up a flight of stairs, but I’m healthy as a horse!”

What angers me is these so-called solutions to the problem. Certainly don’t critically analyze the commercials we see, the products we’re sold, the fashion industry lies we’re spoonfed (Fashion- another billion dollar industry. Just like Big Pharma).

None of these self-styled dietitians and “health experts” ever seem to bother to wonder at the motivation. None ever question the implied assumption that obese people think, “You know what? It would be really fun to weigh 400 pounds and submit myself to a lifetime of humiliation and public ostracism. Think I’ll get started on that right now.” Fat is a disease, and it is a symptom. It is the one way a person can brandish a great, giant middle finger to society and say, “SCREW YOU! I don’t believe in that crap! I exist! I take up space!” Fat expresses defiance, and provides an illusion of safety (if you are deluded by the notion that rapists are sexually attracted to their victims, as many are).

Somehow, I don’t think leptin in the formula doesn’t look like it is going to solve that problem. But I could be wrong, of course.

So is that your solutions to fat kids? And i am talking about fat kids, not mildly overweight. I am also believe if you really want to know what I said you can easily find out what it was by looking back and reading. I simply qestioned why would someone have two such opposing views on giving \”medicine\” to unconsenting children.

This chemical is intended to address kids who are “fat.” But there’s nothing inherently wrong with being fat.

Actually, by adding it into infant formula, it is intended to address the potential of fatness of children. This has nothing to do with actual fat children who are often fat due to bad eating habits easily addressed by teaching the family good eating habits or by a serious chemical imbalances that need to be addressed by pediatric specialists and not industrial additives. Added to that is the fact that few hormones or drugs are tested on children, they are tested on adults and then used by physicians in untested ways to treat ailments in children.
Drugs, like Gardisil, are administered in regulated doses in prescribed locations by professionals whose earning potential can be put at risk by failure to comply with regulations.
Food additives are sold in stores with pretty logos often involving cartoon characters and are ordered, shelved and checked out by people working part time to get through college.

On the fat and thin issue, my husband has broken the spirit of Hungarian grandmothers by resolutely staying scrawny despite their best efforts, my son has the same metabolism. I eat better and exercise more than either of them and I will never be thin, just like my grandma. I am healthy. We need to stop vilifing people because of different body shapes.

Huh? Where did that come from?
I didn’t call you a troll.

And to be precice, i am comparing dying from cervical cancer with dying from weight related health problems.

If you think that commiting suicide because people make fun of you for being fat is a weight related health problem, then we’ve got a pretty serious difference of opinion. I know plenty of people who were mocked for their weight, but who were perfectly healthy individuals.

who is saying fat does not equal unhealthy. of course it is unhealthy to be fat.

No. It’s unhealthy to be morbidly obese. Being fat isn’t necessarily any more unhealthy than being thin. Being fat is stigmatized more than being thin, or being “average”, but, again, it’s possible to be fat but be very healthy, just as it’s possible to be “average” but very unhealthy. Giving kids some kind of chemical to inhibit their hunger or alter their eating habits later in life does nothing to address what the real concerns should be- eating healthy, exercising, etc.

Is that the real answer, telling kids to shut up, is that going to work?

You’re conflating several different problems and acting like they’re one.

The HPV vaccine addresses a very specific problem.
You know, HPV.
It doesn’t pretend to address unsafe sex practices. That’s what education is for.

This chemical is intended to address kids who are “fat.” But there’s nothing inherently wrong with being fat.

“Fat” is not the same as “unhealthy” anymore than “thin” is the same as “healthy.”

Then you shifted over to talking about how kids hurt themselves because other people mock them and humiliate them for being different.

No vaccine is going to cure that. That’s a different problem. That’s a problem with letting people be jerks.

Homophobes target people they perceive as gay with insults and public humiliation. The solution to that is not to try to find some chemical that would prevent children from becoming gay. You don’t address the problem of assholes by changing the asshole’s target, you address the problem of assholes. People who mock and humiliate children are the problem, not the child.

If a kid is morbidly obese, you address that child’s problem, and you work to fix it. But, just because a kid is seen as “fat’ doesn’t mean that she or he is unhealthy, and it’s wrong to act like it does.