Comments on: Should Girls Gone Wild get older?

By: Danyell

Danyell — Thu, 10 May 2007 02:02:59 +0000

I totally agree that all-too-often people look around and say “Damn our kids are doing a lot of dumb crap. Therefore, we should increase the legal age when they can [do said dumb crap]!” But no one says “Maybe we should teach our kids NOT to BE dumb.”

Oi.

By: Atalantah

Atalantah — Wed, 09 May 2007 23:22:45 +0000

On the voluntary sterilization issue, when my mom decided to get such a procedure done after just having me, she had to my dad’s signiture (her husband). She couldn’t believe such crap, but apparently the hospital was afraid of litigation. Since this was 20 yrs ago maybe thinks have changed, but I doubt it. Anyway, she ended up checking the single box on the form (though my dad was fine with her decision). She could have had me aborted (not that I believe in spousal consent laws) without him knowing but she couldn’t decide to prevent future pregnacies, with his or anyone else’s DNA. Had he elected to underdo serilization, no consent would have been needed from his wife. This definately speaks of the double standard of control of one’s body. Just like with abortion, women can’t be trusted to make sound decisions with their bodies. Anti-choice people seem to believe if a woman inhibits her reprodution facalties in one manner or another (which of course is woman’s main purpose) she will regret it later. I have heard several times that the reason women have been so universally oppressed is the dependency on men that being pregnate and then having to nurse has caused. Most recently, my history prof stated that women made the most financial and social gains once oral contraceptive was invented and used widely. Previously, I had considered the cause and effect reversed. While both views may be valid, what is important is how this all underscores how the xian right controls a womans reproductive rights in order to control the whole woman. they don’t just want to supress women’s bodies directly but hope that by doing such we ended up back in the cave too pregnant or overwhelmed by children to join the hunt. Maybe then we will be to weary and helpless to demand such “frivolities” as equal pay and protection from sexual harrassment and assault.

By: CBrachyrhynchos

CBrachyrhynchos — Wed, 09 May 2007 18:26:14 +0000

mythago: The problem is that Joe Francis isn’t simply wandering around with a camera, passively capturing imagines of what’s going on around him.

Of course not, but would what he does automatically become acceptable if he didn’t have a cameraman in tow?

Joe Francis’s operation is simply the visible tip of the iceberg.

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By: mythago

mythago — Wed, 09 May 2007 01:41:05 +0000

it’s a business that depends on a deeply dysfunctional environment of alcohol abuse and mob behavior

The problem is that Joe Francis isn’t simply wandering around with a camera, passively capturing imagines of what’s going on around him.

By: CBrachyrhynchos

CBrachyrhynchos — Tue, 08 May 2007 17:39:03 +0000

Ok, granted I have some issues with the BDSM community, but I think they know how to throw a public party at a bar with plenty of equal opportunity eye-candy, access to drinks, and a much more respectful that empowers people to tell creeps to fuck off.

I think putting the focus on the filming is rather missing the point. Joe Francis isn’t doing anything that doesn’t happen every week at a party down the street from where you live. He just makes money putting it on film. The big problem is how do you change the culture of alcohol abuse endemic in the U.S. that sees no problems with pushing consent? I won’t mind seeing GGW go out of business, but it’s a business that depends on a deeply dysfunctional environment of alcohol abuse and mob behavior.

And then there is the deeper problem of pushing passive consent (“she didn’t say no”) vs. getting active consent (“she asked me to do it.”) This is where I think that radical queers, old-style sex positives, and fetish folk have it right, and mundanes and have it wrong.

By: bmc90

bmc90 — Tue, 08 May 2007 15:45:15 +0000

I have a better idea! Anyone who is depicted nude in a commercially distributed video is entitled to a split of the profits unless that right is waived sober, 24 hours in advance, by someone 18 and older, male or female – liability extends to everyone from Netflix to Walmart, to the videographer, everyone who gets a cut. The person depicted can sue to enforce. State does not even have to get involved. If the proper consents are not signed (sober, over 18, waiting period), then the person can enjoin distribution, profits to date have to be disgorged. When you jeopardize the profits, the distributors etc. will be careful, believe me.

By: BStu

BStu — Tue, 08 May 2007 13:16:05 +0000

I think the waiting period idea has a lot of potential. It can be crafted so its not an undue burden on “professional pornography” and only focus on spontanious subjects. Given his practices, I think putting the burden on the subjects of GGW to recind consent is unlikely to work effectively. I see a lot of potential for coersion no matter what the rules, but if the burden is on him to get consent it puts the women in a more powerful position.

By: zuzu

zuzu — Tue, 08 May 2007 05:15:47 +0000

Think “recission period.”

I actually like Bloix’s idea — let Francis do the work of ensuring that the release wasn’t obtained while impaired, was in exchange for some base amount constituting a fair wage (such as union scale), and have him reaffirm consent before he can use, and profit from, the footage.

He’ll still get plenty of footage for use, but people with second thoughts would have some protection and be able to call the deal off.

Plus, fair compensation. A string of beads is plenty to get me to flash my tits out on the street (what? they were the pearly kind thrown from balconies), but if someone wanted to sell that image, I’d want a hell of a lot more.

By: Jill

Jill — Tue, 08 May 2007 04:14:46 +0000

To be clear, I don’t think that contractual waiting periods parallel abortion either. I just automatically think “abortion” when I hear the term “waiting period,” and so I wanted to get that argument out of the way.