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  1. Mister Nice Guy
    Mister Nice Guy May 16, 2007 at 12:15 am |

    They failed miserably at fiscal restraint, public safety and a strong defense, so now they want to tell *us* how to run feminism?

  2. Samhita
    Samhita May 16, 2007 at 12:43 am |

    AMEN!

  3. johanna
    johanna May 16, 2007 at 12:45 am |

    Um, yeah, while Christina Hoff Sommers was busy inventing the war on boys, or whatever her deal was around 2003, I was at a hearing on Capitol Hill where the future of military presence in Afghanistan with a bunch of other feminist interns wearing a sticker that said, “Afghanistan: Where’s the Marshall Plan?” (since signs aren’t allowed)

    I don’t mean to berate my elders, but c’mon Christina, I was a freaking 20 year old intern and I knew this stuff. GET WITH IT.

  4. L
    L May 16, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    THANK YOU ZUZU!

    I was just getting my panties in a bunch trying to prove EXACTLY this point. And you made it happen. Wonderful.

  5. IrrationalPoint
    IrrationalPoint May 16, 2007 at 5:56 pm |

    While I don’t wish to defend conservative what-about-ery, I do think that there is a legitimate point to be made regarding biases in Western feminism.

    A lot of “mainstream” feminist organisations campaign primarily on issues that affect straight white middle-class non-disabled citizens of [insert name of wealthy Western country here]. We don’t here nearly as many mentions of women in Afghanistan in the mainstream Western media as we do of, say abortion rights in Western countries.

    So yes, by all means call conservatives on their hypocrisy. But it’s a bit hard to see American feminists as champions of women in Afghanistan. Because what most American feminists do for women in Afghanistan is basically zero compared for what most American feminists do for, say, middle-class Americans.

    –IP

  6. bluestockingsrs
    bluestockingsrs May 16, 2007 at 6:51 pm |

    IP, you are conflating what the media pays attention to as beign the subjects that feminists are advocate about.

    What the media pays attention to is not the fault of any feminist organization since last time I checked no feminist organization owned a news organization.

  7. bluestockingsrs
    bluestockingsrs May 16, 2007 at 6:52 pm |

    Well, if I could type AND edit today that first sentence would say:

    IP, you have decided that only the subjects that the media pays attention to are the subjects that US feminists advocate on exclusively. This just ain’t so.

  8. preying mantis
    preying mantis May 16, 2007 at 7:30 pm |

    “We don’t here nearly as many mentions of women in Afghanistan in the mainstream Western media as we do of, say abortion rights in Western countries.”

    I believe the phrase is “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

  9. Mnemosyne
    Mnemosyne May 16, 2007 at 7:58 pm |

    We don’t here nearly as many mentions of women in Afghanistan in the mainstream Western media as we do of, say abortion rights in Western countries.

    So “mentions in the media” is what makes activism, not actual actions?

    I see you’ve been consulting with the Iraqi government, which has decided that if no one takes pictures of the bombing, the bombing never happened.

  10. Danyell
    Danyell May 16, 2007 at 8:58 pm |

    If people think feminists are falling behind why don’t THEY pick up the slack?

    Answer: Because then they can’t blame feminists when they make it even worse!

  11. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick May 17, 2007 at 6:37 am |

    I believe the phrase is “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” - preying mantis

    You know, I read that “abstinence of evidence” – which I think is pretty also apt for today’s media .

  12. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick May 17, 2007 at 6:38 am |

    Should have been “read that as” of course.

  13. preying mantis
    preying mantis May 17, 2007 at 6:52 am |

    “You know, I read that “abstinence of evidence” – which I think is pretty also apt for today’s media .”

    They’re certainly a lot better at it than those poor kids that get suckered into thinking a chastity pledge is the only sex-ed they need.

  14. IrrationalPoint
    IrrationalPoint May 18, 2007 at 2:53 pm |

    Sorry, when I said “mainstream Western media” I mean feminist mainstream Western media. As in media from mainstream feminist groups

    I am on mailing lists for a number of feminist organisation, and the “mainstream” groups tend, for example, to send out a lot more stuff on reproductive rights than, say, access to sanitary products for women in Zimbabwe. Or FGM. Or women on welfare in the US. Or very much about any issue that concerns non-Western women or non-middle-class women more than it does Western middle class women.

    So I’m not basing my observation on the media, I’m basing it on my experience of mainstream feminist groups’ own mailings and activities.

    Bluestockings and Mnemosyne: I appreciate the carricature, but I don’t see how much original comment provoked your responses, I’m afraid. I’m not supporting the conservative strawfeminist argument, but I do think that there is a valid point to be made about the bias of mainstream feminism in wealthy Western countries.

    –IP

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