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		<title>By: fat fu Working Mothers Cause Obesity! &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>fat fu Working Mothers Cause Obesity! &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 05/gupta.jpg&quot; title=&quot;gupta.jpg&quot;&gt;Feministe on how CNN&#8217;s Sanjay Gupta is selling two moral panics for the price of one. Apparently Sanjay felt  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 05/gupta.jpg&#8221; title=&#8221;gupta.jpg&#8221;&gt;Feministe on how CNN&#8217;s Sanjay Gupta is selling two moral panics for the price of one. Apparently Sanjay felt  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/20/two-two-two-moral-panics-in-one/#comment-106114</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, the breastfeeding thing is totally hands-off.  I don&#039;t understand why we get mad at the patriarchy for things like blaming working mamas for kids being fat, but we don&#039;t also get mad at the patriarchy for not making it more feasible for working mamas to breastfeed their kids.  Formula is expensive, does not come near approximating breastmilk, and DOES contribute to childhood obesity both because of its ingredients and because the feeding method is very, very different from nursing.  Bottlefeeding on a regular basis also means the child&#039;s jaws will be underdeveloped because it&#039;s harder to nurse than to use an artificial nipple.

It&#039;s bad enough the patriarchy sets moms against children as it is;  we don&#039;t need to help them.  There isn&#039;t anything unfeminist about wanting to do what&#039;s best for your kids, even if that means we have to work harder at some aspects of our lives, AS LONG AS we look at the data for ourselves and can make an informed opinion about what&#039;s truly best for children.

They don&#039;t ask to be here.  They depend on us to make sure they grow up OK.  If their fathers aren&#039;t stepping up to the plate, does that mean we abandon them?  No, we go saw the fathers off at the knees, but we should still BE THERE for our kids.

And for the record I don&#039;t agree with Gupta&#039;s findings.  It&#039;s no coincidence that processed food became exponentially cheaper and more available during the time period he&#039;s talking about, and of course the myopic idiot didn&#039;t control for that at all.  Far easier to blame women, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the breastfeeding thing is totally hands-off.  I don&#8217;t understand why we get mad at the patriarchy for things like blaming working mamas for kids being fat, but we don&#8217;t also get mad at the patriarchy for not making it more feasible for working mamas to breastfeed their kids.  Formula is expensive, does not come near approximating breastmilk, and DOES contribute to childhood obesity both because of its ingredients and because the feeding method is very, very different from nursing.  Bottlefeeding on a regular basis also means the child&#8217;s jaws will be underdeveloped because it&#8217;s harder to nurse than to use an artificial nipple.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad enough the patriarchy sets moms against children as it is;  we don&#8217;t need to help them.  There isn&#8217;t anything unfeminist about wanting to do what&#8217;s best for your kids, even if that means we have to work harder at some aspects of our lives, AS LONG AS we look at the data for ourselves and can make an informed opinion about what&#8217;s truly best for children.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t ask to be here.  They depend on us to make sure they grow up OK.  If their fathers aren&#8217;t stepping up to the plate, does that mean we abandon them?  No, we go saw the fathers off at the knees, but we should still BE THERE for our kids.</p>
<p>And for the record I don&#8217;t agree with Gupta&#8217;s findings.  It&#8217;s no coincidence that processed food became exponentially cheaper and more available during the time period he&#8217;s talking about, and of course the myopic idiot didn&#8217;t control for that at all.  Far easier to blame women, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Lynch</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/20/two-two-two-moral-panics-in-one/#comment-106112</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I both spent tons of time outside as kids. I had an acre and a half of land we owned to play on, and I wasn&#039;t to go off my property without telling my parents, and not across the stream. (Not that I wanted to, as there were blackberry brambles the other side of the creek. Ouch.) But, yeah, a couple hours after school, all day on weekends, just coming in for lunch and bedtime or if we had to go run errands. 

My husband grew up in town, but he was allowed a fair amount of range; if his father stepped out the back door and blew the horn, he was supposed to be home in about ten minutes. If he couldn&#039;t hear the horn, he had gone too far. He says all the neighbors cooperated. &quot;Hey, Bill, I just heard your dad blow the horn, better get on home for supper.&quot; He had a bike and rode all over town as a preteen and teenager. When he got a car at sixteen, he also went and found work and has pretty much always been working since. 

I don&#039;t live in an area where I&#039;m comfortable just putting my kids outside and saying. &quot;Come back for dinner.&quot; I don&#039;t have land enough to do what my parents did with me, either. So they&#039;re in some organized sports, and they help with yardwork and such as needed, although it&#039;s not the workout I grew up with. But yeah, I&#039;m heavy, he&#039;s heavy, and they&#039;re heavy, and I will admit that the peace found by a child playing a video game is seconded only by a child reading a book. I encourage books. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I both spent tons of time outside as kids. I had an acre and a half of land we owned to play on, and I wasn&#8217;t to go off my property without telling my parents, and not across the stream. (Not that I wanted to, as there were blackberry brambles the other side of the creek. Ouch.) But, yeah, a couple hours after school, all day on weekends, just coming in for lunch and bedtime or if we had to go run errands. </p>
<p>My husband grew up in town, but he was allowed a fair amount of range; if his father stepped out the back door and blew the horn, he was supposed to be home in about ten minutes. If he couldn&#8217;t hear the horn, he had gone too far. He says all the neighbors cooperated. &#8220;Hey, Bill, I just heard your dad blow the horn, better get on home for supper.&#8221; He had a bike and rode all over town as a preteen and teenager. When he got a car at sixteen, he also went and found work and has pretty much always been working since. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t live in an area where I&#8217;m comfortable just putting my kids outside and saying. &#8220;Come back for dinner.&#8221; I don&#8217;t have land enough to do what my parents did with me, either. So they&#8217;re in some organized sports, and they help with yardwork and such as needed, although it&#8217;s not the workout I grew up with. But yeah, I&#8217;m heavy, he&#8217;s heavy, and they&#8217;re heavy, and I will admit that the peace found by a child playing a video game is seconded only by a child reading a book. I encourage books.</p>
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		<title>By: ginmar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ginmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BSTu, you&#039;re ignoring the fact that conservatives pull stuff out of their ass, while liberals actually do some research.  Nice try, though.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSTu, you&#8217;re ignoring the fact that conservatives pull stuff out of their ass, while liberals actually do some research.  Nice try, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Because respecting women means making all their decisions for them</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/20/two-two-two-moral-panics-in-one/#comment-105975</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Because respecting women means making all their decisions for them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rable. They&#8217;re opting out. They&#8217;re raising juvenile delinquents. They&#8217;re making their kids fat. They aren&#8217;t sleeping. They even ch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rable. They&#8217;re opting out. They&#8217;re raising juvenile delinquents. They&#8217;re making their kids fat. They aren&#8217;t sleeping. They even ch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BStu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/20/two-two-two-moral-panics-in-one/#comment-105893</link>
		<dc:creator>BStu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you combine all the breathless pronouncements, it seems everyone is to blame for fat people.  I&#039;m sure its totally coincidental that the blame often seems to overlap with the pre-existing villains in the political ideology of the person assigning blame.  Everyone feels to need to blame someone for fat people, and everyone manages to blame someone else.

Conservative: Working moms make us fat!
&lt;em&gt;Liberal: Corporations make us fat!&lt;/em&gt;
Conservative: Its lesbians!  Or the ethnics!
&lt;em&gt;Liberal: Its the auto companies!  Or the oil companies!&lt;/em&gt;
Conservative: Personal Responsibility!
&lt;em&gt;Liberal: Aggricultural subsidies!&lt;/em&gt;
Conservatives: Clinton!
&lt;em&gt;Liberal: Reagan!&lt;/em&gt;

Everyone is singing the same song.  Just with different words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you combine all the breathless pronouncements, it seems everyone is to blame for fat people.  I&#8217;m sure its totally coincidental that the blame often seems to overlap with the pre-existing villains in the political ideology of the person assigning blame.  Everyone feels to need to blame someone for fat people, and everyone manages to blame someone else.</p>
<p>Conservative: Working moms make us fat!<br />
<em>Liberal: Corporations make us fat!</em><br />
Conservative: Its lesbians!  Or the ethnics!<br />
<em>Liberal: Its the auto companies!  Or the oil companies!</em><br />
Conservative: Personal Responsibility!<br />
<em>Liberal: Aggricultural subsidies!</em><br />
Conservatives: Clinton!<br />
<em>Liberal: Reagan!</em></p>
<p>Everyone is singing the same song.  Just with different words.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Y’know I’m from an upper class family and I had a stay at home mom, and I’m obese.

If only it were such a quick fix solution “have a stay at home mom and your kids will be thin.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My mom was a stay at home mom too.  I was rail thin until puberty.  Then I discovered Doritos were an effective way to hide my breasts.....It was all downhill from there.  So I blame Doritos.

P.S., I&#039;ve been Doritos free for 5 years....*sob*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Y’know I’m from an upper class family and I had a stay at home mom, and I’m obese.</p>
<p>If only it were such a quick fix solution “have a stay at home mom and your kids will be thin.”</p></blockquote>
<p>My mom was a stay at home mom too.  I was rail thin until puberty.  Then I discovered Doritos were an effective way to hide my breasts&#8230;..It was all downhill from there.  So I blame Doritos.</p>
<p>P.S., I&#8217;ve been Doritos free for 5 years&#8230;.*sob*.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/20/two-two-two-moral-panics-in-one/#comment-105882</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wish I could remember the source of this snippet of information, but I heard that one problem with cafeteria lunches is that they’re required to provide a rather large number of calories in lunches; a regulation left over from the days when undernourishment, not obesity was the primary problem. Getting that overturned is the first step to getting healthier school lunches.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fast Food Nation also mentioned that school lunches, particularly those that are subsidized, are based not on good nutrition but on whichever agricultural commodity gets subsidies.  So you get an awful lot of milk and cheese and hamburger, but not much in the way of fresh vegetables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wish I could remember the source of this snippet of information, but I heard that one problem with cafeteria lunches is that they’re required to provide a rather large number of calories in lunches; a regulation left over from the days when undernourishment, not obesity was the primary problem. Getting that overturned is the first step to getting healthier school lunches.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fast Food Nation also mentioned that school lunches, particularly those that are subsidized, are based not on good nutrition but on whichever agricultural commodity gets subsidies.  So you get an awful lot of milk and cheese and hamburger, but not much in the way of fresh vegetables.</p>
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		<title>By: shfree</title>
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		<dc:creator>shfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked in a cafeteria in a middle school, and the meals there are still built around a four food groups model as opposed to the food pyramid model. In 2004.  And they really aren&#039;t made with an eye to reducing fat intake, even though the proteins that they use tend to be turkey or chicken, as opposed to beef or pork.  My daughter gets school lunches on occasion, but being vegetarian it fortunately isn&#039;t an every day thing, but a treat.  Now, there is a free lunch program here, which means that kids from lower income families do eat this EVERY DAY.  At least in the elementary schools they don&#039;t have vending machines, or the ala carte crap options they have in the middle schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in a cafeteria in a middle school, and the meals there are still built around a four food groups model as opposed to the food pyramid model. In 2004.  And they really aren&#8217;t made with an eye to reducing fat intake, even though the proteins that they use tend to be turkey or chicken, as opposed to beef or pork.  My daughter gets school lunches on occasion, but being vegetarian it fortunately isn&#8217;t an every day thing, but a treat.  Now, there is a free lunch program here, which means that kids from lower income families do eat this EVERY DAY.  At least in the elementary schools they don&#8217;t have vending machines, or the ala carte crap options they have in the middle schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I could remember the source of this snippet of information, but I heard that one problem with cafeteria lunches is that they&#039;re required to provide a rather large number of calories in lunches; a regulation left over from the days when undernourishment, not obesity was the primary problem.  Getting that overturned is the first step to getting healthier school lunches.

As much as some people might wish it so, trying to return to an idealized, &quot;perfect&quot; vision of the past does not solve current problems.  I&#039;m so tired of the blame game.  All it does is shroud the real source of problems in an useless debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I could remember the source of this snippet of information, but I heard that one problem with cafeteria lunches is that they&#8217;re required to provide a rather large number of calories in lunches; a regulation left over from the days when undernourishment, not obesity was the primary problem.  Getting that overturned is the first step to getting healthier school lunches.</p>
<p>As much as some people might wish it so, trying to return to an idealized, &#8220;perfect&#8221; vision of the past does not solve current problems.  I&#8217;m so tired of the blame game.  All it does is shroud the real source of problems in an useless debate.</p>
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