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	<title>Comments on: America&#8217;s National Pastime: Lying to Ourselves.</title>
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		<title>By: Henry Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112650</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently went on vacation to London and Amsterdam.  

While in Amsterdam I went to some coffeeshops (i.e. hash dens).  How bizarre for me, an American who&#039;s been puffing pot regularly since 1975, to sit outside a nice &#039;shop off the Liedesplein in a nice chair, with a nice cup of coffee and puff on the joint that I&#039;d bought for 3 euros (about $5.25) &lt;i&gt;with cops standing 20 feet away&lt;/i&gt; and not panic.  Good smoke too.  

A few days later I went to a smartshop and bought some mild magic mushrooms.  8 to a carton; I followed the dealer&#039;s advice and took half.  I hopped on a train to The Hague (beautiful, I really want to go back for a more extended visit) and, while on the train, the &#039;shrooms kicked in.  After arriving, I went to the glorious Mauritshuis and looked at Vermeer&#039;s, Rembrandt&#039;s and other Dutch master paintings while tripping.  Before I left, I went to a bathroom stall, took the other half, waited a bit outside at the amazing Hofvivjier (Water Court) park while waiting for the second batch to kick in and then went to the M.C. Escher museum.  I was back in the &#039;dam by dinner, smoked the rest of the joint while walking through the Museumplein park and went to the Van Gogh museum.  An amazing day I&#039;ll always treasure and the best part: not a whiff of paranoia about being busted.  As long as you&#039;re not loud, obnoxious and stupidly fucked up, they *don&#039;t care*.

Maybe one of these centuries, America will stop being Puritain assholes about pleasure.  As Morrissey croons, &quot;Oh very nice, very nice, but maybe in the next world, maybe in the next world....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently went on vacation to London and Amsterdam.  </p>
<p>While in Amsterdam I went to some coffeeshops (i.e. hash dens).  How bizarre for me, an American who&#8217;s been puffing pot regularly since 1975, to sit outside a nice &#8216;shop off the Liedesplein in a nice chair, with a nice cup of coffee and puff on the joint that I&#8217;d bought for 3 euros (about $5.25) <i>with cops standing 20 feet away</i> and not panic.  Good smoke too.  </p>
<p>A few days later I went to a smartshop and bought some mild magic mushrooms.  8 to a carton; I followed the dealer&#8217;s advice and took half.  I hopped on a train to The Hague (beautiful, I really want to go back for a more extended visit) and, while on the train, the &#8216;shrooms kicked in.  After arriving, I went to the glorious Mauritshuis and looked at Vermeer&#8217;s, Rembrandt&#8217;s and other Dutch master paintings while tripping.  Before I left, I went to a bathroom stall, took the other half, waited a bit outside at the amazing Hofvivjier (Water Court) park while waiting for the second batch to kick in and then went to the M.C. Escher museum.  I was back in the &#8216;dam by dinner, smoked the rest of the joint while walking through the Museumplein park and went to the Van Gogh museum.  An amazing day I&#8217;ll always treasure and the best part: not a whiff of paranoia about being busted.  As long as you&#8217;re not loud, obnoxious and stupidly fucked up, they *don&#8217;t care*.</p>
<p>Maybe one of these centuries, America will stop being Puritain assholes about pleasure.  As Morrissey croons, &#8220;Oh very nice, very nice, but maybe in the next world, maybe in the next world&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peanutcat</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112486</link>
		<dc:creator>Peanutcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, blame the unicorn.</description>
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		<title>By: palamedes</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112364</link>
		<dc:creator>palamedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason official society in this country despises marijuana today has to do with alcohol and &quot;moral weakness&quot;.

People forget how pervasive alcohol was throughout early American history.  Part of it was because it was a means of converting their crops to cash in the easiest way possible (Whiskey Rebellion, anyone?), but also because it was a way to attack the blues that sometimes can come with the rigors of being an individual (a very American concept, individual rights and responsibilities), and with that, the feelings of failure that can come with not being able to achieve the goals you might want to achieve.  After all, you only have yourself to blame under such a model, right?

And it&#039;s no coincidence that most of the American temperance organizations were organized and led by women, who were usually using drunk, dissolute husbands as an example of the evils of strong drink.  Alcohol equaled the creation of a weak character, or worse yet, the facilitation of making a weak character worse.  And that, in turn, could lead to the destruction of a family.

I think a lot of the pro and con perceptions regarding alcohol transferred over to marijuana over time, especially with the outbreak of Prohibition, then, later, it&#039;s end.  Instead of images of dissolute drunks, we&#039;re now more likely to see images of dissolute stoners.  (Think about that - have you ever seen, for example, a pot-based version of Nick and Nora Charles?  Fully functional people, yet happily making recreational drugs part of their daily lives?)

Add to that such foolishness as a Federal ban on funding for research to determine such things as what the long-term effects of smoking marijuana are, if any, and you have a situation shoehorned into place by a refusal to see beyond the facade for fear of giving countenance to being a &quot;weak person&quot;.  (And I say this as a person who&#039;s never used recreational drugs or even done much alcohol.)

My two bits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason official society in this country despises marijuana today has to do with alcohol and &#8220;moral weakness&#8221;.</p>
<p>People forget how pervasive alcohol was throughout early American history.  Part of it was because it was a means of converting their crops to cash in the easiest way possible (Whiskey Rebellion, anyone?), but also because it was a way to attack the blues that sometimes can come with the rigors of being an individual (a very American concept, individual rights and responsibilities), and with that, the feelings of failure that can come with not being able to achieve the goals you might want to achieve.  After all, you only have yourself to blame under such a model, right?</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s no coincidence that most of the American temperance organizations were organized and led by women, who were usually using drunk, dissolute husbands as an example of the evils of strong drink.  Alcohol equaled the creation of a weak character, or worse yet, the facilitation of making a weak character worse.  And that, in turn, could lead to the destruction of a family.</p>
<p>I think a lot of the pro and con perceptions regarding alcohol transferred over to marijuana over time, especially with the outbreak of Prohibition, then, later, it&#8217;s end.  Instead of images of dissolute drunks, we&#8217;re now more likely to see images of dissolute stoners.  (Think about that &#8211; have you ever seen, for example, a pot-based version of Nick and Nora Charles?  Fully functional people, yet happily making recreational drugs part of their daily lives?)</p>
<p>Add to that such foolishness as a Federal ban on funding for research to determine such things as what the long-term effects of smoking marijuana are, if any, and you have a situation shoehorned into place by a refusal to see beyond the facade for fear of giving countenance to being a &#8220;weak person&#8221;.  (And I say this as a person who&#8217;s never used recreational drugs or even done much alcohol.)</p>
<p>My two bits&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raging Moderate</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112355</link>
		<dc:creator>Raging Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So I guess my question is: Why is pot illegal, exactly?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m gonna go with big pharma not being able to monopolize it, and lobbying politicians to keep it illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So I guess my question is: Why is pot illegal, exactly?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna go with big pharma not being able to monopolize it, and lobbying politicians to keep it illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: flea</title>
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		<dc:creator>flea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How many plants were left when your landlord returned with the shovel?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I couldn&#039;t say for sure, but it looked like that unicorn ate about a dozen or so plants while he was gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How many plants were left when your landlord returned with the shovel?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I couldn&#8217;t say for sure, but it looked like that unicorn ate about a dozen or so plants while he was gone.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112216</link>
		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I&#039;ll also point out that &quot;heavy cannabis user at 18&quot; implies strong use of drugs &lt;em&gt;while a teenager&lt;/em&gt;. We&#039;re discovering more and more than heavy drug use whilst under age is a higher risk factor for mental illness than adult drug use, and the risk increases the younger the drug use started. Some research indicates this may apply just as much to alcohol as any other drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I&#8217;ll also point out that &#8220;heavy cannabis user at 18&#8243; implies strong use of drugs <em>while a teenager</em>. We&#8217;re discovering more and more than heavy drug use whilst under age is a higher risk factor for mental illness than adult drug use, and the risk increases the younger the drug use started. Some research indicates this may apply just as much to alcohol as any other drug.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112213</link>
		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marijuana and methamphetamine are the two drugs most likely to trigger latent schizophrenia. It&#039;s not necessarily a case of schizophrenics being more likely to use drugs, as most of the stats involving schizophrenia and drugs deal with manifestation of symptoms after or during the drug use, not before. Drug induced psychosis is a nasty thing in any case, but it&#039;s even more so when it lumps you with a diagnosis likely to stick with you for the rest of your life.

To put the stats in context, though... that 600% increase in likelihood of schizophrenia? The average person with no family history has a 2% (roughly) likelihood of developing schizophrenia. 600% is a massive increase, but it still only leaves that average person at a 12% likelihood. Still, stats are a bit bogus when used this way.... the person who develops schizophrenia doesn&#039;t give a damn what the stats said, believe me.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I think the prohibition and war-on-drugs shit when it comes to pot does more harm than good. It&#039;s near impossible to target people with family histories of mental illness and signs of childhood pre-schizophrenia when there&#039;s this insistence that we pretend pot is evil and awful for everyone. Many people can use it without problems... just some people shouldn&#039;t touch the stuff. Try slotting that into an awareness campaign that won&#039;t be shouted down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marijuana and methamphetamine are the two drugs most likely to trigger latent schizophrenia. It&#8217;s not necessarily a case of schizophrenics being more likely to use drugs, as most of the stats involving schizophrenia and drugs deal with manifestation of symptoms after or during the drug use, not before. Drug induced psychosis is a nasty thing in any case, but it&#8217;s even more so when it lumps you with a diagnosis likely to stick with you for the rest of your life.</p>
<p>To put the stats in context, though&#8230; that 600% increase in likelihood of schizophrenia? The average person with no family history has a 2% (roughly) likelihood of developing schizophrenia. 600% is a massive increase, but it still only leaves that average person at a 12% likelihood. Still, stats are a bit bogus when used this way&#8230;. the person who develops schizophrenia doesn&#8217;t give a damn what the stats said, believe me.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think the prohibition and war-on-drugs shit when it comes to pot does more harm than good. It&#8217;s near impossible to target people with family histories of mental illness and signs of childhood pre-schizophrenia when there&#8217;s this insistence that we pretend pot is evil and awful for everyone. Many people can use it without problems&#8230; just some people shouldn&#8217;t touch the stuff. Try slotting that into an awareness campaign that won&#8217;t be shouted down.</p>
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		<title>By: Djinna</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/19/americas-national-pastime-lying-to-ourselves/#comment-112204</link>
		<dc:creator>Djinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and on the &quot;some people &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; drink for the taste&quot; front, there are also pot connoisseurs who are practically indistinguishable from the wine people when it comes to focusing more on the taste/appearance/aroma/feel/whatever than the impairment.  At least that&#039;s the way they come across to hear them talk - I&#039;ve never known any pot snobs to do the equivalent of spitting out the smoke, like wine tasters are supposed to do.  There&#039;s snobs for everything, and coffee-table books for them as well - they&#039;re on the THIRD volume of both the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-7994599-7774437?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=cannabible&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cannabible&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-7994599-7774437?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=big+book+of+buds&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Book of Buds&lt;/a&gt;, just to name two that were popular when I hung out with pot snobs.

Not that there&#039;s anything wrong w/being a wine or pot connoisseur, and there&#039;s definitely a difference between an aficionado and a snob for both.  Enjoying your hobby is fine and dandy, but the people who look down on others who happen to drink PBR or smoke whatever they happen to be able to get their hands on are insufferable for so many other reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and on the &#8220;some people <em>do</em> drink for the taste&#8221; front, there are also pot connoisseurs who are practically indistinguishable from the wine people when it comes to focusing more on the taste/appearance/aroma/feel/whatever than the impairment.  At least that&#8217;s the way they come across to hear them talk &#8211; I&#8217;ve never known any pot snobs to do the equivalent of spitting out the smoke, like wine tasters are supposed to do.  There&#8217;s snobs for everything, and coffee-table books for them as well &#8211; they&#8217;re on the THIRD volume of both the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-7994599-7774437?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=cannabible&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go" rel="nofollow">Cannabible</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-7994599-7774437?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=big+book+of+buds&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go" rel="nofollow">Big Book of Buds</a>, just to name two that were popular when I hung out with pot snobs.</p>
<p>Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong w/being a wine or pot connoisseur, and there&#8217;s definitely a difference between an aficionado and a snob for both.  Enjoying your hobby is fine and dandy, but the people who look down on others who happen to drink PBR or smoke whatever they happen to be able to get their hands on are insufferable for so many other reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Djinna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Djinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of lots of ways in which pot could kill you.  Like, if the aforementioned 450kg of it fell on your head, in a piano-in-a-cartoon kind of way.  Or, if you were in an enclosed space when the 450kg were burned, you&#039;d probably die of smoke inhalation.  Of course, 450kg of ANYTHING would be lethal in the same sort of situation.  But still, it&#039;s theoretically possible for pot to kill you.

I&#039;m kind of wondering why they decided to switch to pounds from kg, if that indeed is the source of the &quot;missing&quot; 8 pounds.  After all, such news stories are often meant as scare stories, and what could possibly be more scary than drug dealers, other than drug dealers who use the &lt;em&gt;metric system&lt;/em&gt;?  (Really, what better way to imply that scary foreigners are behind the whole thing?)  Esp. since most Americans don&#039;t have a good grasp on the conversion factors, and are just as likely to think that 450kg is a helluva lot more than almost 1000 pounds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of lots of ways in which pot could kill you.  Like, if the aforementioned 450kg of it fell on your head, in a piano-in-a-cartoon kind of way.  Or, if you were in an enclosed space when the 450kg were burned, you&#8217;d probably die of smoke inhalation.  Of course, 450kg of ANYTHING would be lethal in the same sort of situation.  But still, it&#8217;s theoretically possible for pot to kill you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of wondering why they decided to switch to pounds from kg, if that indeed is the source of the &#8220;missing&#8221; 8 pounds.  After all, such news stories are often meant as scare stories, and what could possibly be more scary than drug dealers, other than drug dealers who use the <em>metric system</em>?  (Really, what better way to imply that scary foreigners are behind the whole thing?)  Esp. since most Americans don&#8217;t have a good grasp on the conversion factors, and are just as likely to think that 450kg is a helluva lot more than almost 1000 pounds?</p>
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		<title>By: kactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish I had tried marijuana when I had the chance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Unless you&#039;re dead, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s ever too late to try marijuana.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wish I had tried marijuana when I had the chance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re dead, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s ever too late to try marijuana.</p>
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