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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-113137</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Jill. I saw it just now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Jill. I saw it just now.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112998</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The enlightened, responsible thing to do these days is to be attracted to larger, mildly obese women, but I’m simply not. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
The problem is that these ads are directed towards women.  Few (if any) ad campaigns are targetting plus size men in order to make them hate their bodies and buy their useless products.  That&#039;s the problem. It&#039;s unfair that men&#039;s bodies aren&#039;t subject to the same kind of nonsense.  

These ads are, on some level, an aggressive campaign against all women because of the inequity of how these things play themselves out and the underlying message that a woman&#039;s fuckability is supposed to take precedence over every other aspect of who she is.  In other words, if our looks do not meet certain standards, then we are not worthy of praise or love.  

Who you are attracted to may be important to you but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a significant aspect of this discourse.  I don&#039;t think who you find attractive should even keep you from understanding what this is about.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The enlightened, responsible thing to do these days is to be attracted to larger, mildly obese women, but I’m simply not. </p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is that these ads are directed towards women.  Few (if any) ad campaigns are targetting plus size men in order to make them hate their bodies and buy their useless products.  That&#8217;s the problem. It&#8217;s unfair that men&#8217;s bodies aren&#8217;t subject to the same kind of nonsense.  </p>
<p>These ads are, on some level, an aggressive campaign against all women because of the inequity of how these things play themselves out and the underlying message that a woman&#8217;s fuckability is supposed to take precedence over every other aspect of who she is.  In other words, if our looks do not meet certain standards, then we are not worthy of praise or love.  </p>
<p>Who you are attracted to may be important to you but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a significant aspect of this discourse.  I don&#8217;t think who you find attractive should even keep you from understanding what this is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112874</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, going by the studios claim, MM was actually not that far from my size, but, unlike me, somehow managed to have breasts that were bigger than her hips.  (And also a somewhat skinnier waist.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, going by the studios claim, MM was actually not that far from my size, but, unlike me, somehow managed to have breasts that were bigger than her hips.  (And also a somewhat skinnier waist.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay Beyerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s interesting is that her dressmaker&#039;s claim came in &lt;i&gt;below&lt;/i&gt; the studio&#039;s claim. 

Obviously, both are interested parties who can&#039;t be relied on. 

OTOH, the trend in the &lt;i&gt;discrepancy&lt;/i&gt; says interesting things about cultural norms. 

If today&#039;s equivalent of a a studio star really had a &quot;35-22-35&quot; star, there&#039;s no way her people would misrepresent her as a &quot;37-23-36.&quot;

I&#039;ve read several stories about how J-Lo wants a &quot;size-2&quot; stiched into her clothes when she&#039;s really (gasp!) a size 6. I&#039;ve never heard of one of today&#039;s stars contesting a claim of how thin they are. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that her dressmaker&#8217;s claim came in <i>below</i> the studio&#8217;s claim. </p>
<p>Obviously, both are interested parties who can&#8217;t be relied on. </p>
<p>OTOH, the trend in the <i>discrepancy</i> says interesting things about cultural norms. </p>
<p>If today&#8217;s equivalent of a a studio star really had a &#8220;35-22-35&#8243; star, there&#8217;s no way her people would misrepresent her as a &#8220;37-23-36.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read several stories about how J-Lo wants a &#8220;size-2&#8243; stiched into her clothes when she&#8217;s really (gasp!) a size 6. I&#8217;ve never heard of one of today&#8217;s stars contesting a claim of how thin they are.</p>
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		<title>By: StarDragon The Canadian</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112861</link>
		<dc:creator>StarDragon The Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again,stupid has triumphed over commerce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again,stupid has triumphed over commerce.</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112858</link>
		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I wonder what rose petals taste like?&lt;/i&gt;

Rose petals are actually quite tasty.  Rose petal yoghurt might be good, if one finds yoghurt good.  One of my favourite condiments ever was an old friend&#039;s rose petal jam.  It smelled like nothing you ever wanted to eat, and tasted like you&#039;d died and gone to a very nice place.  So you folks can, actually, complete your fantasies of eating the rose petals right off the voluptuous model (I&#039;ve BTDT already).

There aren&#039;t any winners in the Patriarchy Game, as someone said up there, including those dumbshits who made the ads.  I&#039;d say they&#039;re practically the dictionary definition of &quot;losers.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I wonder what rose petals taste like?</i></p>
<p>Rose petals are actually quite tasty.  Rose petal yoghurt might be good, if one finds yoghurt good.  One of my favourite condiments ever was an old friend&#8217;s rose petal jam.  It smelled like nothing you ever wanted to eat, and tasted like you&#8217;d died and gone to a very nice place.  So you folks can, actually, complete your fantasies of eating the rose petals right off the voluptuous model (I&#8217;ve BTDT already).</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t any winners in the Patriarchy Game, as someone said up there, including those dumbshits who made the ads.  I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re practically the dictionary definition of &#8220;losers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay Beyerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s entitled to their aesthetic &quot;type.&quot; Nobody has a right to sexual desire from anyone else. 

I&#039;m fascinated by the long-legged skinny boys. For whatever reason, the toned jocks never turned my crank. Luckily, I found myself a life partner who likes short, pale women like me. 

To each their own. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone&#8217;s entitled to their aesthetic &#8220;type.&#8221; Nobody has a right to sexual desire from anyone else. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m fascinated by the long-legged skinny boys. For whatever reason, the toned jocks never turned my crank. Luckily, I found myself a life partner who likes short, pale women like me. </p>
<p>To each their own.</p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112851</link>
		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Marilyn Monroe&#039;s stats:
Height: 5 feet 5 1/2 inches
Weight: Varied, 115 - 120 lbs.
Measurements: 37-23-36 (Studio&#039;s Claim); 35-22-35 (Dressmaker&#039;s Claim)
Hair color: Blond
Eyes: Blue

So while by no means zaftig, she would be considered too heavy by Hollywood standards today. Liv Tyler, who is 5&#039;8&quot;, was told to slim down when she got up to 128.
I&#039;m sure MM would have been told she needed to be no more than 105, if not less.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Marilyn Monroe&#8217;s stats:<br />
Height: 5 feet 5 1/2 inches<br />
Weight: Varied, 115 &#8211; 120 lbs.<br />
Measurements: 37-23-36 (Studio&#8217;s Claim); 35-22-35 (Dressmaker&#8217;s Claim)<br />
Hair color: Blond<br />
Eyes: Blue</p>
<p>So while by no means zaftig, she would be considered too heavy by Hollywood standards today. Liv Tyler, who is 5&#8217;8&#8243;, was told to slim down when she got up to 128.<br />
I&#8217;m sure MM would have been told she needed to be no more than 105, if not less.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112845</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For sex???? It’s OK for me personally to reject someone for sex for any reason whatsoever, including ones that are beyond the person’s control, or shallow, or false, or really dumb of me, or even wrong-headed and bigoted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh. I was talking about liking people, not swapping STDs with them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For sex???? It’s OK for me personally to reject someone for sex for any reason whatsoever, including ones that are beyond the person’s control, or shallow, or false, or really dumb of me, or even wrong-headed and bigoted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh. I was talking about liking people, not swapping STDs with them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/06/21/gentlemen-prefer-bones/#comment-112843</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;then ask yourself why you get attracted to thin long-limbed women. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I honestly don&#039;t know. Best guess I can come up with is some desire for interpersonal symmetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>then ask yourself why you get attracted to thin long-limbed women. </p></blockquote>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know. Best guess I can come up with is some desire for interpersonal symmetry.</p>
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