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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m not blaming the victim, I&#8217;m just saying that the stupid whore deserved it</title>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>murder case*</description>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when women observe that men rape and murder women with great frequency, we&#039;re not man-haters?!  Yay!

If you feel that I&#039;m misinterpreting you that much, you are free to clarify your position on women.

I&#039;m pretty convinced, however, that your attitude re: this particular murder care is directly related to your women-are-precious-lights viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when women observe that men rape and murder women with great frequency, we&#8217;re not man-haters?!  Yay!</p>
<p>If you feel that I&#8217;m misinterpreting you that much, you are free to clarify your position on women.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty convinced, however, that your attitude re: this particular murder care is directly related to your women-are-precious-lights viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: bluefish A</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluefish A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i&#039;m not angry either...but, i found the women as &quot;precious light&quot; description a tad...precious. i would not describe actually, living human beings as &quot;precious lights&quot; which is why i choose to modify it. again, as Sarah MC wrote, 
&lt;blockquote&gt;t’s essentially your world and women are just livin’ in it, lighting it up, is absurd and sexist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
also, i know nothing about you or your personal relationships, nor do i care. i was trying, to tie your description of chivalry with the topic of this post. i&#039;m glad i succeeded, SarahMC!
race does have something to do with how people are viewing the Davis case- Jesse Davis is being viewed as something less than a &quot;perfect victim&quot; because of her choice of boyfriend which in turn, has something to do with the fact that her boyfriend was both married and black.
it&#039;s not about you or your ex-girlfriends, Muscledaddy, in other words- i was discussing this case as well as the inherent sexism in the implication and application of chivalry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i&#8217;m not angry either&#8230;but, i found the women as &#8220;precious light&#8221; description a tad&#8230;precious. i would not describe actually, living human beings as &#8220;precious lights&#8221; which is why i choose to modify it. again, as Sarah MC wrote, </p>
<blockquote><p>t’s essentially your world and women are just livin’ in it, lighting it up, is absurd and sexist.</p></blockquote>
<p>also, i know nothing about you or your personal relationships, nor do i care. i was trying, to tie your description of chivalry with the topic of this post. i&#8217;m glad i succeeded, SarahMC!<br />
race does have something to do with how people are viewing the Davis case- Jesse Davis is being viewed as something less than a &#8220;perfect victim&#8221; because of her choice of boyfriend which in turn, has something to do with the fact that her boyfriend was both married and black.<br />
it&#8217;s not about you or your ex-girlfriends, Muscledaddy, in other words- i was discussing this case as well as the inherent sexism in the implication and application of chivalry.</p>
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		<title>By: MuscleDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuscleDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to rephrase, then:


I’m sorry that your need for me to be saying something other than what I am saying is keeping you from hearing what I’m saying.

I am not a man-hater, I am observant.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;My world&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - *snort*

Good on you - be safe.

- MuscleDaddy 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to rephrase, then:</p>
<p>I’m sorry that your need for me to be saying something other than what I am saying is keeping you from hearing what I’m saying.</p>
<p>I am not a man-hater, I am observant.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;My world&#8221;</em> &#8211; *snort*</p>
<p>Good on you &#8211; be safe.</p>
<p>- MuscleDaddy</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t need to be angry with you.  In fact I&#039;m hardly even angry.  What, am I not living up to my role as a precious light? (had to do it)

You are saying that women are inherently different than men and suggesting that we &quot;better&quot; you somehow.  I could accuse you of being a man-hater (which is what feminists are called when we treat men as responsible adults) for saying that men have less potential than women.  Perhaps the women in your life illuminate it.  That&#039;s certainly valid.  But to generalize and say that it&#039;s essentially your world and women are just livin&#039; in it, lighting it up, is absurd and sexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need to be angry with you.  In fact I&#8217;m hardly even angry.  What, am I not living up to my role as a precious light? (had to do it)</p>
<p>You are saying that women are inherently different than men and suggesting that we &#8220;better&#8221; you somehow.  I could accuse you of being a man-hater (which is what feminists are called when we treat men as responsible adults) for saying that men have less potential than women.  Perhaps the women in your life illuminate it.  That&#8217;s certainly valid.  But to generalize and say that it&#8217;s essentially your world and women are just livin&#8217; in it, lighting it up, is absurd and sexist.</p>
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		<title>By: MuscleDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuscleDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SarahMC,

I&#039;m sorry that your need to be angry with me is keeping you from hearing what I&#039;m saying.

Good on you - be safe.

  - MuscleDaddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SarahMC,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that your need to be angry with me is keeping you from hearing what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>Good on you &#8211; be safe.</p>
<p>  &#8211; MuscleDaddy</p>
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		<title>By: MuscleDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuscleDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bluefish,

Please refrain from inserting diminutive modifiers into my words - it changes the meaning that I&#039;m already proving to be quite incapable of conveying effectively &lt;em&gt;(or everyone wouldn&#039;t be able to interpret what I&#039;m saying in ways that make them angry)&lt;/em&gt;.

  - MuscleDaddy

P.S. I would also appreciate it if you could also refrain from inserting race into places where I have not. 2 of the 4 long-term relationships in my life have been with black women who I love deeply &amp; I don&#039;t appreciate your insertion/implication while trying to find different meanings in words I&#039;ve &lt;strong&gt;actually&lt;/strong&gt; used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bluefish,</p>
<p>Please refrain from inserting diminutive modifiers into my words &#8211; it changes the meaning that I&#8217;m already proving to be quite incapable of conveying effectively <em>(or everyone wouldn&#8217;t be able to interpret what I&#8217;m saying in ways that make them angry)</em>.</p>
<p>  &#8211; MuscleDaddy</p>
<p>P.S. I would also appreciate it if you could also refrain from inserting race into places where I have not. 2 of the 4 long-term relationships in my life have been with black women who I love deeply &amp; I don&#8217;t appreciate your insertion/implication while trying to find different meanings in words I&#8217;ve <strong>actually</strong> used.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how you go about rationalizing it, MuscleDaddy, the insistence that women are &quot;above&quot; men has served to keep women &quot;under&quot; men since the beginning of time.  You didn&#039;t have to say &quot;more moral.&quot;  Your view of us is hardly original.  Bluefish A tied it into the subject of this thread perfectly.  

A sunset &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be inspiring.  So can a beautiful painting.  But women are &lt;em&gt;actual people&lt;/em&gt;, not inanimate objects that exist to inspire and entertain you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how you go about rationalizing it, MuscleDaddy, the insistence that women are &#8220;above&#8221; men has served to keep women &#8220;under&#8221; men since the beginning of time.  You didn&#8217;t have to say &#8220;more moral.&#8221;  Your view of us is hardly original.  Bluefish A tied it into the subject of this thread perfectly.  </p>
<p>A sunset <em>can</em> be inspiring.  So can a beautiful painting.  But women are <em>actual people</em>, not inanimate objects that exist to inspire and entertain you.</p>
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		<title>By: MuscleDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuscleDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Checking.....checking.....&lt;/em&gt;

Nope. &quot;More moral&quot; never came up. Completely different topic.

Never said anything about women &#039;controlling&#039; or &#039;needing to control&#039; men, or anything about some &#039;feminine ideal,&#039; either.

Nor meant it.

I said &#039;inherently more potential&#039;, and I meant it in a much larger sense than you&#039;re attributing to the words.

That potential can be both palpable and inspirational, capable of allowing men to reach beyond their otherwise largely-self-imposed limitations...on many levels.

That doesn&#039;t mean that if a man fails to follow/realize that inspiration, it&#039;s the woman&#039;s fault.

A sunset over the mountains can be inspiring, too - if someone fails to act on that inspiration, is it the mountain&#039;s fault - the sun&#039;s fault? No, that&#039;s just silly.

It&#039;s a precious light, not a taskmaster....

  - MuscleDaddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Checking&#8230;..checking&#8230;..</em></p>
<p>Nope. &#8220;More moral&#8221; never came up. Completely different topic.</p>
<p>Never said anything about women &#8216;controlling&#8217; or &#8216;needing to control&#8217; men, or anything about some &#8216;feminine ideal,&#8217; either.</p>
<p>Nor meant it.</p>
<p>I said &#8216;inherently more potential&#8217;, and I meant it in a much larger sense than you&#8217;re attributing to the words.</p>
<p>That potential can be both palpable and inspirational, capable of allowing men to reach beyond their otherwise largely-self-imposed limitations&#8230;on many levels.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that if a man fails to follow/realize that inspiration, it&#8217;s the woman&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>A sunset over the mountains can be inspiring, too &#8211; if someone fails to act on that inspiration, is it the mountain&#8217;s fault &#8211; the sun&#8217;s fault? No, that&#8217;s just silly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a precious light, not a taskmaster&#8230;.</p>
<p>  &#8211; MuscleDaddy</p>
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		<title>By: bluefish A</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluefish A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>buliding on what SarahMC said, this definition of chivalry is awfully conditional a well, a woman is a &quot;precious little light&quot; as defined by a man when she is acting in a way that the man approves of. 
hence, the Jessie Davis thing, is she less of a &quot;precious little light&quot; because she had an affair with and bore the children of a married (and black, natch) man? some would say yes. 
i tell you, it&#039;s a precarious place, that pedastal that a lot of &quot;chivalorous&quot; men put us up on. it&#039;s real easy to fall off that pedastal and go from being a madonna to a whore in a heartbeat.
that&#039;s why us feminists prefer to be treated like humans with agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buliding on what SarahMC said, this definition of chivalry is awfully conditional a well, a woman is a &#8220;precious little light&#8221; as defined by a man when she is acting in a way that the man approves of.<br />
hence, the Jessie Davis thing, is she less of a &#8220;precious little light&#8221; because she had an affair with and bore the children of a married (and black, natch) man? some would say yes.<br />
i tell you, it&#8217;s a precarious place, that pedastal that a lot of &#8220;chivalorous&#8221; men put us up on. it&#8217;s real easy to fall off that pedastal and go from being a madonna to a whore in a heartbeat.<br />
that&#8217;s why us feminists prefer to be treated like humans with agency.</p>
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