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	<title>Comments on: What do we do about online harassment?</title>
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		<title>By: NitNoitorax</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-145415</link>
		<dc:creator>NitNoitorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Some loser guy.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-122237</link>
		<dc:creator>Some loser guy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive been following this. While action taken are a bit extreme, some of the motive behind it isn&#039;t.

The response to a man who posted a post of AGREEMENT for biting beaver pretty much said &#039;not all men are like this&#039; but then he was accosted for not doing anything to fight the patriarchy. But are not woman accused of the same crime? Some femists just go overboard to the point of sexism.

That said, all the websites that have been blasted and shut down....not fair, not good.

And in poor, poor taste.

So in short i must say i agree that this was overall bad. If they disagreed so much, they should have taken a different coarse of action then this, innocent website have been crashed because of this. If they hate BitingBeaver so bad, they should not have taken other websites down as well.

Horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive been following this. While action taken are a bit extreme, some of the motive behind it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The response to a man who posted a post of AGREEMENT for biting beaver pretty much said &#8216;not all men are like this&#8217; but then he was accosted for not doing anything to fight the patriarchy. But are not woman accused of the same crime? Some femists just go overboard to the point of sexism.</p>
<p>That said, all the websites that have been blasted and shut down&#8230;.not fair, not good.</p>
<p>And in poor, poor taste.</p>
<p>So in short i must say i agree that this was overall bad. If they disagreed so much, they should have taken a different coarse of action then this, innocent website have been crashed because of this. If they hate BitingBeaver so bad, they should not have taken other websites down as well.</p>
<p>Horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: tombeckett</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-122050</link>
		<dc:creator>tombeckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t despair, you are awesome.  After hearing that you are all under siege.  I just wanted to add my 42 year old white male voice to the list of your SUPPORTERS.  Strong, intelligent opinionated women are the best.  I am constantly humbled.

Quiet women never made history and too many loud males have made too much history.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t despair, you are awesome.  After hearing that you are all under siege.  I just wanted to add my 42 year old white male voice to the list of your SUPPORTERS.  Strong, intelligent opinionated women are the best.  I am constantly humbled.</p>
<p>Quiet women never made history and too many loud males have made too much history.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: The Countess</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-121967</link>
		<dc:creator>The Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I Don&#039;t Miss This...&lt;/strong&gt;

Sheelzebub at Pinko Feminist Hellcat is talking about the latest incidences of trolls and hatemongers harassing feminist bloggers. Feministe is one blog under attack. The attack was so bad that some blogs temporarily shut down. I used to get trolled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I Don&#8217;t Miss This&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Sheelzebub at Pinko Feminist Hellcat is talking about the latest incidences of trolls and hatemongers harassing feminist bloggers. Feministe is one blog under attack. The attack was so bad that some blogs temporarily shut down. I used to get trolled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Bloggers Are Under Increasing Levels of Attack : Slant Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-121865</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Bloggers Are Under Increasing Levels of Attack : Slant Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feminist blogs have been the subject of DoS attacks lately, including Feministe, Shakesville, Women&#8217;s Space/ The Margins, and Bitting Beaver (only accessible by invite) . I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] feminist blogs have been the subject of DoS attacks lately, including Feministe, Shakesville, Women&#8217;s Space/ The Margins, and Bitting Beaver (only accessible by invite) . I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick A.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-121818</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the contact information is that it was all extrapolated from material published to the public domain by the people it regards; whenever they mentioned their state, that somewhere was only x minutes away, what the local topography is like, components of filenames on images...

The precise resources used are explained on their sites, if you can stomach them long enough to find the details.

If you ever mention anything concrete about yourself, no matter how obscure, then sooner or later there will be enough out there to pinpoint you, and what&#039;s more since you were the one who released the information needed to figure this out you have absolutely no genuine legal recourse. It would probably get to court, but a half decent lawyer could easily kick out the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the contact information is that it was all extrapolated from material published to the public domain by the people it regards; whenever they mentioned their state, that somewhere was only x minutes away, what the local topography is like, components of filenames on images&#8230;</p>
<p>The precise resources used are explained on their sites, if you can stomach them long enough to find the details.</p>
<p>If you ever mention anything concrete about yourself, no matter how obscure, then sooner or later there will be enough out there to pinpoint you, and what&#8217;s more since you were the one who released the information needed to figure this out you have absolutely no genuine legal recourse. It would probably get to court, but a half decent lawyer could easily kick out the claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelzebub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d have half a point, except they&#039;re harassing people IRL and publishing personal contact information of targets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d have half a point, except they&#8217;re harassing people IRL and publishing personal contact information of targets.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick A.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/09/what-do-we-do-about-online-harassment/#comment-121550</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is probably worth contributing something to this topic, as there are a number of misleading notions about the nature of the attackers, which are relevant if anyone does decide to pursue legal action against these people.

If you have indeed identified their site, the FBI tends to take a somewhat dimmer view of your complaints of threats of violence given that the header on the primary board reads:
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
-an ethos which given the content of the posts is clearly extended to dealings with other sites.

These are predominantly university age students or older professionals. This can be evidenced by the demographic observed at panels they have held at conventions, although only a fraction of their sites user bases ever attend. The idea that these are just 13 year old kids is generally down to the flawed logic, poor spelling and the like when they contact you, however any serious analysis of their boards (not something I would recommend) makes it clear that this is wholly deliberate, designed to inflame their target rather than an indication of their intelligence.

In fact, if you like internet humor and are easily offended then I _heavily_ advise you not to visit their sites. Like it or not, most internet humor originated in or close to their sites - the &#039;lolcats&#039; so popular as of the last year and a bit were a regular feature there years before they entered the mainstreams&#039; attached files list - and seeing these places would probably color your ability to enjoy internet jokes in future to a certain extent.

A number of the comments here were written by the attackers.

A number of these were responded to as serious by posters who almost in the same breath derided the attackers as universally imbecilic. The clues are there, and I don&#039;t mean the obvious ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is probably worth contributing something to this topic, as there are a number of misleading notions about the nature of the attackers, which are relevant if anyone does decide to pursue legal action against these people.</p>
<p>If you have indeed identified their site, the FBI tends to take a somewhat dimmer view of your complaints of threats of violence given that the header on the primary board reads:<br />
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.<br />
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.<br />
-an ethos which given the content of the posts is clearly extended to dealings with other sites.</p>
<p>These are predominantly university age students or older professionals. This can be evidenced by the demographic observed at panels they have held at conventions, although only a fraction of their sites user bases ever attend. The idea that these are just 13 year old kids is generally down to the flawed logic, poor spelling and the like when they contact you, however any serious analysis of their boards (not something I would recommend) makes it clear that this is wholly deliberate, designed to inflame their target rather than an indication of their intelligence.</p>
<p>In fact, if you like internet humor and are easily offended then I _heavily_ advise you not to visit their sites. Like it or not, most internet humor originated in or close to their sites &#8211; the &#8216;lolcats&#8217; so popular as of the last year and a bit were a regular feature there years before they entered the mainstreams&#8217; attached files list &#8211; and seeing these places would probably color your ability to enjoy internet jokes in future to a certain extent.</p>
<p>A number of the comments here were written by the attackers.</p>
<p>A number of these were responded to as serious by posters who almost in the same breath derided the attackers as universally imbecilic. The clues are there, and I don&#8217;t mean the obvious ones.</p>
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		<title>By: DianaBoston</title>
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		<dc:creator>DianaBoston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing, give them as much information as possible and make sure you get all the information about WHO is going to be handling your case. It&#039;s illegal to make death threats like that, it&#039;s the same thing as if they said it to your face. This is NOT to be taken lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing, give them as much information as possible and make sure you get all the information about WHO is going to be handling your case. It&#8217;s illegal to make death threats like that, it&#8217;s the same thing as if they said it to your face. This is NOT to be taken lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: DianaBoston</title>
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		<dc:creator>DianaBoston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had cyberthreats happen to me and the first thing you must do is phone the police. They should have a special unit that deals with these kinds of crime. And if they don&#039;t then the State Police will be the next bet.

In Canada I just phoned the RCMP and they tracked them down and had the local police go to the offending people&#039;s houses and tell them it&#039;s either stop or be arrested.

It&#039;s really very simple actually. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had cyberthreats happen to me and the first thing you must do is phone the police. They should have a special unit that deals with these kinds of crime. And if they don&#8217;t then the State Police will be the next bet.</p>
<p>In Canada I just phoned the RCMP and they tracked them down and had the local police go to the offending people&#8217;s houses and tell them it&#8217;s either stop or be arrested.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really very simple actually. Good luck.</p>
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