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		<title>By: CO Native</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-191148</link>
		<dc:creator>CO Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some things were repeted alot but there were lots of really good points and thoughts. Some great storys to, thank you for sharing. Yes this is a new product and there will be lots of questions asked and alot answered. Hopefully there will be alot of refinements as it goes to =).
I am 31 years old, with no childen and I find it hard to wach my body change and age. Wanting my WHOLE body back to the way it was when I was mentally establishing &#039;who 
I am&#039; seems very normal. The body typ I had then goes with my mental pitcher of &#039;me&#039; when I was strongest, invincible and age related pain free. You rember those times? Please tell me you dont want any of that back. Point is that some of us want to recapture what we once where and all that life had to offer us. Not to please the namless masses of men we pass on the street. It may be childish but no one want to feel thier own mortality (much less see it in the mirror).
PS. I cant belive no one spoke up about post (41) &quot;if we taught girls to pull their shoulders back and keep their chins up, we wouldn’t need to put them under the knife. Yet if your dream for your life is to do nothing but go from your receptionist desk to a bar stool at night, it would be one less item of clothing that needed to be laundered.&quot; What? Good posture will stop time and the force of gravity?! Then reducing the women that would get this done to what amounts to low intelligent desperate bar flies? If she said this in my presence I would forcfully remove her from the room. I could be wrong in my interpition of what was said and I hope I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some things were repeted alot but there were lots of really good points and thoughts. Some great storys to, thank you for sharing. Yes this is a new product and there will be lots of questions asked and alot answered. Hopefully there will be alot of refinements as it goes to =).<br />
I am 31 years old, with no childen and I find it hard to wach my body change and age. Wanting my WHOLE body back to the way it was when I was mentally establishing &#8216;who<br />
I am&#8217; seems very normal. The body typ I had then goes with my mental pitcher of &#8216;me&#8217; when I was strongest, invincible and age related pain free. You rember those times? Please tell me you dont want any of that back. Point is that some of us want to recapture what we once where and all that life had to offer us. Not to please the namless masses of men we pass on the street. It may be childish but no one want to feel thier own mortality (much less see it in the mirror).<br />
PS. I cant belive no one spoke up about post (41) &#8220;if we taught girls to pull their shoulders back and keep their chins up, we wouldn’t need to put them under the knife. Yet if your dream for your life is to do nothing but go from your receptionist desk to a bar stool at night, it would be one less item of clothing that needed to be laundered.&#8221; What? Good posture will stop time and the force of gravity?! Then reducing the women that would get this done to what amounts to low intelligent desperate bar flies? If she said this in my presence I would forcfully remove her from the room. I could be wrong in my interpition of what was said and I hope I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirri</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-146269</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it REALLY JUST ME? We have such a women hating culture it&#039;s sickening. Women as plastic sex dolls or women as faceless burka zombies, 2 sides OF THE SAME COIN. Essentially women are OBJECTS not people. Why is it that the medical prof. (mainly run by MEN until very recently, ie the past generation) spend so much time and money on messing with the female body? Why can females be pumped full of hormones to regulate offspring (instead of inventing a male pill). Why do women have dangerous, invasive surgery on A MOST SENSITIVE area to look good (whatever that means because it all depends where and when you live really). How come men don&#039;t get penile silicon implants or jockstraps? I mean I prefer my dicks rockhard and large too but hell very few men are PERFECTLY endowed. Last I checked men weren&#039;t going for these procedures in droves, unlike women who are appearantly standing in line to fork over mucho dineros to have their chests sliced open en plastic implanted there. 

Does anyone here believe these torture devices were created to make women LOOK better not FEEL better. Sigh. Hell I am starting to believe I&#039;d rather wear a burka, nice contrast to all the stripper wanna be&#039;s I seem to be encountering more and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it REALLY JUST ME? We have such a women hating culture it&#8217;s sickening. Women as plastic sex dolls or women as faceless burka zombies, 2 sides OF THE SAME COIN. Essentially women are OBJECTS not people. Why is it that the medical prof. (mainly run by MEN until very recently, ie the past generation) spend so much time and money on messing with the female body? Why can females be pumped full of hormones to regulate offspring (instead of inventing a male pill). Why do women have dangerous, invasive surgery on A MOST SENSITIVE area to look good (whatever that means because it all depends where and when you live really). How come men don&#8217;t get penile silicon implants or jockstraps? I mean I prefer my dicks rockhard and large too but hell very few men are PERFECTLY endowed. Last I checked men weren&#8217;t going for these procedures in droves, unlike women who are appearantly standing in line to fork over mucho dineros to have their chests sliced open en plastic implanted there. </p>
<p>Does anyone here believe these torture devices were created to make women LOOK better not FEEL better. Sigh. Hell I am starting to believe I&#8217;d rather wear a burka, nice contrast to all the stripper wanna be&#8217;s I seem to be encountering more and more.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmisgirl25j</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-134464</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmisgirl25j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As a 29 yr old married mom of 2..I think it is a great idea! i have a 34d chest and hate to be unsupported by a bra, my breast now rest on my tummy, I wear 2 not 1 but 2 bras to work out/run in. I wear my bra to bed for comfort. So yes to me this would be wonderful, I have been looking into a lift for just over a year now and the thought of them being scarred and having a worse outcome scares my greatly, but something that is minimally invasive that could be just as easily removed. WAY to go Dr. Gur.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As a 29 yr old married mom of 2..I think it is a great idea! i have a 34d chest and hate to be unsupported by a bra, my breast now rest on my tummy, I wear 2 not 1 but 2 bras to work out/run in. I wear my bra to bed for comfort. So yes to me this would be wonderful, I have been looking into a lift for just over a year now and the thought of them being scarred and having a worse outcome scares my greatly, but something that is minimally invasive that could be just as easily removed. WAY to go Dr. Gur.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Teodorescu Melania Elena</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-129537</link>
		<dc:creator>Teodorescu Melania Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested about this bra. I have big breast and I want see how it&#039;s this &quot;feministe bra&quot;. I am a romanian women and I read today this news (&quot;feministe bra&quot;) in the romanian papers and I am curious if I can have acces or if I can buy this new bra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested about this bra. I have big breast and I want see how it&#8217;s this &#8220;feministe bra&#8221;. I am a romanian women and I read today this news (&#8220;feministe bra&#8221;) in the romanian papers and I am curious if I can have acces or if I can buy this new bra.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-122231</link>
		<dc:creator>Dixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fellows developing this cup may not be on my side when it comes to the reasons for it, but I wouldn&#039;t give a damn.

I&#039;m losing weight....a lot of it.  And once I reach my goal, a breast reduction and lift are going to be mandatory because there simply IS NO BRA that is going to keep these sagging, now-flat wallets that I can almost fold back over themselves in place.  Plus, bacteria LOVES me and my sweat, and I have to duck into the bathroom at least every three hours to wash and reapply the only powder I&#039;ve found that works day after day after day without irritation--non-talc vaginal powder.  They tell you if you have stinky feet to wear ventilated shoes and to pack extra socks?  I take a washcloth and an extra bra to work! Yes, I now throw away bras because they&#039;ve become too large for me, but at one time I was throwing them away because there was no way to get them clean.  It is a horrible feeling to put on a &quot;clean&quot; bra and realize before you&#039;ve finished the drive to work that your body heat has activated the smell in the fabric.

I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s the faux-disease of breast ptosis.  I don&#039;t care if you think my consideration of such a procedure keeps me from being a feminist. Bite me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fellows developing this cup may not be on my side when it comes to the reasons for it, but I wouldn&#8217;t give a damn.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m losing weight&#8230;.a lot of it.  And once I reach my goal, a breast reduction and lift are going to be mandatory because there simply IS NO BRA that is going to keep these sagging, now-flat wallets that I can almost fold back over themselves in place.  Plus, bacteria LOVES me and my sweat, and I have to duck into the bathroom at least every three hours to wash and reapply the only powder I&#8217;ve found that works day after day after day without irritation&#8211;non-talc vaginal powder.  They tell you if you have stinky feet to wear ventilated shoes and to pack extra socks?  I take a washcloth and an extra bra to work! Yes, I now throw away bras because they&#8217;ve become too large for me, but at one time I was throwing them away because there was no way to get them clean.  It is a horrible feeling to put on a &#8220;clean&#8221; bra and realize before you&#8217;ve finished the drive to work that your body heat has activated the smell in the fabric.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s the faux-disease of breast ptosis.  I don&#8217;t care if you think my consideration of such a procedure keeps me from being a feminist. Bite me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianna</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-122223</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts on whether this is at all &lt;i&gt;necessary&lt;/i&gt; are probably beside the point, since I have small breasts and I&#039;ve never really needed bras for comfort or support anyway.  I&#039;ll let people who would stand to gain or lose from this cover those angles.

But I do have to say that the diagram and description just have a way of making me worry.  Breasts are heavy, wiggly, stretchy things (bless their hearts) and I have a hard time imagining any material for those tiny suspensory wires that could stretch enough to acommodate all that breast movement and still be firm enough to actually provide support.  Ligaments are pretty fragile-looking things and they manage it, but, after all, they&#039;re elastic enough to let the boobs flop around freely and that&#039;s the whole reason this is being invented in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on whether this is at all <i>necessary</i> are probably beside the point, since I have small breasts and I&#8217;ve never really needed bras for comfort or support anyway.  I&#8217;ll let people who would stand to gain or lose from this cover those angles.</p>
<p>But I do have to say that the diagram and description just have a way of making me worry.  Breasts are heavy, wiggly, stretchy things (bless their hearts) and I have a hard time imagining any material for those tiny suspensory wires that could stretch enough to acommodate all that breast movement and still be firm enough to actually provide support.  Ligaments are pretty fragile-looking things and they manage it, but, after all, they&#8217;re elastic enough to let the boobs flop around freely and that&#8217;s the whole reason this is being invented in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-122019</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added a bit to my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=836&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Snoopy-Nosed Redundant Skin Envelopes&lt;/a&gt; after researching the faux-disease of breast ptosis. Writeups are even arranged carefully into Prevalence, (A)etiology, Pathophysiology, and Clinical Findings, and include this little gem: &quot;Etiology is varied and can be due to several components but gravity seems to be a common factor.&quot;

Someone gets paid for this shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added a bit to my post <a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=836" rel="nofollow">Snoopy-Nosed Redundant Skin Envelopes</a> after researching the faux-disease of breast ptosis. Writeups are even arranged carefully into Prevalence, (A)etiology, Pathophysiology, and Clinical Findings, and include this little gem: &#8220;Etiology is varied and can be due to several components but gravity seems to be a common factor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Someone gets paid for this shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainbowk</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-122000</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainbowk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s official. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Blame the Patriarchy&lt;/a&gt; and Twisty&#039;s fabulous patriarchy take-downs have ruined me for other feminist blogs.

Seriously folks, the dudely folk inventing and testing this technology absolutely 100% do *not* have your breast comfort in mind when they&#039;re doing so. I promise you that their intentions have everything to do with the same old bs about the aesthetic expectations that women must to live up to in order to get the only appreciation we&#039;re accorded in a patriarchal society.

In fact, I&#039;ve just read through the article again to be sure and absolutely nowhere in there do they speak to the issues of back pain or large breasts. It&#039;s aesthetic through and through and they never say otherwise. 

Yet how many of the women responding here are concerned with back pain and issues related to having large breasts? If this is such a huge concern for us, as women, how come it doesn&#039;t rate even a one-sentence mention in this article? If sensitivity post-surgery is such an important thing that it gets mentioned over and over here, why doesn&#039;t it rate a mention as a potential benefit of this procedure over more invasive surgeries (from reading the article it&#039;s hard to say if this would be a benefit, but that seems to be speculation here)? 

Women&#039;s comfort is not what they&#039;re concerned with. Women&#039;s health is not what they&#039;re concerned with. Women&#039;s sexual pleasure and enjoyment of their own bodies is *not* what they&#039;re concerned with. Their concern is that women maintain patriarchy-approved attractiveness in the form of perky breasts, breasts that defy gravity and look bouncy and full and &quot;young&quot; long after that would be practical in reality.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All the women said, &#039;I want to be the first one!&#039; It was like a fire in the fields! Everyone was very enthusiastic about the idea,&quot; he said. &quot;The aesthetic market is growing rapidly; most women are willing to try things out - it&#039;s becoming like a trend.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. It is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s official. <a href="http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy/" rel="nofollow">I Blame the Patriarchy</a> and Twisty&#8217;s fabulous patriarchy take-downs have ruined me for other feminist blogs.</p>
<p>Seriously folks, the dudely folk inventing and testing this technology absolutely 100% do *not* have your breast comfort in mind when they&#8217;re doing so. I promise you that their intentions have everything to do with the same old bs about the aesthetic expectations that women must to live up to in order to get the only appreciation we&#8217;re accorded in a patriarchal society.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;ve just read through the article again to be sure and absolutely nowhere in there do they speak to the issues of back pain or large breasts. It&#8217;s aesthetic through and through and they never say otherwise. </p>
<p>Yet how many of the women responding here are concerned with back pain and issues related to having large breasts? If this is such a huge concern for us, as women, how come it doesn&#8217;t rate even a one-sentence mention in this article? If sensitivity post-surgery is such an important thing that it gets mentioned over and over here, why doesn&#8217;t it rate a mention as a potential benefit of this procedure over more invasive surgeries (from reading the article it&#8217;s hard to say if this would be a benefit, but that seems to be speculation here)? </p>
<p>Women&#8217;s comfort is not what they&#8217;re concerned with. Women&#8217;s health is not what they&#8217;re concerned with. Women&#8217;s sexual pleasure and enjoyment of their own bodies is *not* what they&#8217;re concerned with. Their concern is that women maintain patriarchy-approved attractiveness in the form of perky breasts, breasts that defy gravity and look bouncy and full and &#8220;young&#8221; long after that would be practical in reality.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All the women said, &#8216;I want to be the first one!&#8217; It was like a fire in the fields! Everyone was very enthusiastic about the idea,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The aesthetic market is growing rapidly; most women are willing to try things out &#8211; it&#8217;s becoming like a trend.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. It is.</p>
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		<title>By: Melivanima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melivanima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole your wrong...they have treatments for skin and everything else. It will follow just as these measures do now. 40 is the new 30, by then the 60s will be the new 45.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole your wrong&#8230;they have treatments for skin and everything else. It will follow just as these measures do now. 40 is the new 30, by then the 60s will be the new 45.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/08/13/thinking-outside-the-bra/#comment-121935</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s gonna be hilarious in about fifty years when half of all elderly women have the breasts and unlined foreheads of nineteen year olds, but everything else on them has aged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s gonna be hilarious in about fifty years when half of all elderly women have the breasts and unlined foreheads of nineteen year olds, but everything else on them has aged.</p>
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