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  1. ks
    ks August 28, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    I grew up in southern WV (most of my family still lives there and I miss home sometimes). My area (Logan County–I grew up on Buffalo Creek) isn’t quite as remote as some, but it’s nice to read this stuff that reminds me of my grandparents and granny. The only one left now is my mamaw and a couple of papaw’s brothers, and I absolutely love their stories. So thanks for this, even if it does make me homesick, because I tend to get really infuriated by the media portrayal of Appalachia as nothing but a bunch of poor, illiterate, backward hillbillies.

  2. spyderkl
    spyderkl August 28, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    Terrific post, Rosanne. My mom’s family is from west-central PA, outside of Alverda, PA (a PO/company (mining) town between Johnstown and Altoona), so it’s interesting to see that Appalachian culture is pretty similar from South to North.

    That made me think about my mom’s cousins. They’ve long since passed and gone, but I remember visiting them in the ’70s. There was a gigantic coal stove in the middle of their kitchen, and a James wringer washer along the side. I can also remember how surprising it seemed for Dale to have all that in his house – and have a brand-new top of the line tractor sitting outside the barn. Weird indeed for a kid who grew up in urban NJ.

  3. Ottermatic
    Ottermatic August 28, 2007 at 12:43 pm |

    How does the workload and the type of work that Appalachian women do compare with that of Appalachian men? The second shift is certainly a reality for women in modern (I’m sorry if that’s not a good word to use – what is the right word for the world outside Appalachia? I keep thinking of “English” as in “not Amish” – something like that) society. Are Appalachian men at leisure when their shifts at the mill or in the fields are over while the women take care of the homestead?

    Also – I am thrilled that you are guest blogging. My father’s family is from the mountains of West Virginia and although I am estranged from them, I’ve always been fascinated by the region.

  4. Betsy
    Betsy August 28, 2007 at 2:05 pm |

    Thank you so much for this wonderful snippet of social history. I think the issue of poverty v. “choosing” to live that way is an interesting and thorny one, and I would be curious to see it discussed further. What does it mean to choose that way of life when it is, if not your only option, the one that all your friends and family are part of, and the one in which you were raised? What did YOU mean here by saying that it’s the way “they choose to live?” I’m not challenging; but I would like to hear more.
    As someone with interests in both Appalachia, storytelling, and theater, you’ve probably read the play The Kentucky Cycle. If so, what do you think of it? If not, it might be something you’d be interested in reading.

  5. r@d@r
    r@d@r August 28, 2007 at 2:18 pm |

    appalachian women sound like some of my female ancestors who were pioneer settlers in montana and oklahoma. what few photographs from that era my mom has unearthed in her voluminous genealogy studies show women who look they could stare down a mountain lion. women of our family who eventually migrated to the northwest inherited many of those traits that survive to this day.

    a wonderful post, and wonderfully written. i will make smokey mountain breakdown part of my daily reading from now on.

  6. Jenna
    Jenna August 28, 2007 at 5:49 pm |

    Thanks for a fascinating contribution on a subject that, as far as I’ve been able to find, is way under-studied.

    Although my family isn’t Appalachian (they’re more bible-belt far south), I stumbled across various people who were, as well as stories and small citations.

    And, from time to time, I’ve looked, so it’s great to see some resources I hadn’t had.

  7. ankathry
    ankathry August 28, 2007 at 5:51 pm |

    Hi, just wanted to let you know that I’m really digging this content in addition to the cross-posted story/essay format. I’m looking forward to the rest of your contributions this week!

  8. ol'jb
    ol'jb August 28, 2007 at 6:21 pm |

    I’m another West Virginian now living outside West Virginia. I enjoyed your portrayal… I’ve recently tried to educate myself some on Appalachian history, and it was interesting to read of the effect of Civil War and Post-Civil War violence on the area. The biggest battles, numerically, were not fought there, but there was a lot of this style of guerilla and brigand style disruption.

    Also, a bit off the particular topic, but I think it’s worth mentioning that Bush’s administration just approved new rules for expanding mountaintop removal mining. This is going to have the effect of wide-scale depopulation of the coal-bearing portions of the dessicated plateau regions of the western front of Appalachia (particularly Southern West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky and Eastern Tenessee). The highlands may be spared of this, but the coming decade is likely to witness the final chapter of Appalachian culture in these areas unless something changes.

  9. Em
    Em August 28, 2007 at 8:13 pm |

    Hi Spyderkl. I’m from Hooversville, just over the mountain from the Quemahoming dam.

  10. ol'jb
    ol'jb August 28, 2007 at 8:27 pm |

    Rosanne,
    For some visual reference points (although it’s difficult to grasp the scale from these images), you can try the galleries on the following website:

    Coal River Mountain Watch- http://www.crmw.net/
    Ohio Valley Environment Coalition- http://www.ohvec.org/

    Also, try looking at Google Earth, and you can see enormous swaths of deforested, filled-in valleys (where people used to live) all over the region.

  11. Betsy
    Betsy August 28, 2007 at 8:44 pm |

    Rosanne, thanks for responding so thoughtfully to my questions. I think it gets at what has always been a tension among progressives (and Progressives! sorry, /history nerd): wanting to improve the condition of people’s lives, esp. those with little money and material resources, but also bringing their own assumptions and condescension about what “improvement” means (and even about being needed in the first place). It’s why it’s so important to listen to what people themselves say they need, through formal elected representation and other, less formal means as well.

    I think I asked because I’m wary about romanticizing “other” groups’ poverty and segregation, the way many people did, for example, about blues culture. (I’m not suggesting that you’re doing that here, just explaining my own hesitation about this subject.) I have to be wary of it in myself, since I love the traditional music that comes out of Appalachia, but I think there can be a tendency for outsiders to expect a kind of hillbilly minstrel show out of the performers. Cultural preservation is such a good thing in so many ways, but it can also get caught up in romanticizing a group of people and pretending that the culture is something static, not an evolving, living tradition that changes with the times and joyfully appropriates what is interesting or useful to it. (I’m thinking of musical tradition here, primarily.) That’s the danger of the authenticity fetish. I like so much what you’re doing because, it seems to me, you’re avoiding that trap.

    As to the Kentucky Cycle, I read it in high school (awhile ago) and never read any of the criticism about it, but I did suspect there are some parts that are considered problematic. That’s one of the reasons I asked about it, since I’m no expert on either dramatic literature or Appalachia.

  12. Hobo Stripper
    Hobo Stripper August 29, 2007 at 2:49 am |

    Sounds like another version of here…

  13. Betsy the Goat Yoda
    Betsy the Goat Yoda August 29, 2007 at 8:27 am |

    Hey Rosie,

    If you go down to Exit 407/Hwy 66 of I-40 as it goes in to Sevierville, TN, you will see a prime example of mountain top removal- it is all over Sevier Co. and Cocke Co. is not far behind. Unless, of course, the current slide into the next big US depression gets there first!

  14. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie August 29, 2007 at 8:42 am |

    This is not a matriarchy. Women working just as hard as, or harder than, men does not a matriarchy make.

    Especially when the area is “oddly Republican.”

  15. spyderkl
    spyderkl August 29, 2007 at 11:31 am |

    I’m from Hooversville, just over the mountain from the Quemahoming dam.

    Somerset? Hot damn. It is, indeed, a small, small world. Hooversville is a place name I never thought I’d see on a blog. Not that Alverda is any better, but you know.

  16. ks
    ks August 29, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    Tinfoil, you’re right. I grew up surrounded by strong women, but there was never, ever, any question about who was ultimately in charge, and it wasn’t the women in the families. And this always seemed especially true of the older generations.

  17. Nellie
    Nellie August 29, 2007 at 1:51 pm |

    This is not a matriarchy. Women working just as hard as, or harder than, men does not a matriarchy make.

    This is certainly true of the area of Appalachia from which I come. In fact, women who do “men’s” work (which is fairly common) are often seen as “not real women” by Appalachian men. However, I am from the northern part of Appalachia (the Blue Ridge near the Maryland/Pennsylvania border) and I’m sure culture varies from one region of Appalachia to the next.

  18. MegRhi
    MegRhi August 29, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    Roseanne – from Abingdon, a one hour drive on US 58 West will take you to Big Stone Gap, VA or Appalachia, VA where you can see examples of mountaintop removal quite well from the VA side of Black Mountain (the highest point in Kentucky). Black Mountain is now protected, as the state of KY purchased mineral and timber rights to the mountain, but it was threatened as recently at 10 years ago.

  19. Morganna
    Morganna August 29, 2007 at 4:24 pm |

    Holy shit-sounds like my grammy’s house up in Red House, West Virginia.
    While I agree with tinfoil hattie that women working alongside men does not a matriarchy make, there is a very strong sense of ‘women’s strength” in Southern West Virginia (where I’m from) that men (the good ones) respect. In Appalachia there is value placed on an able-bodied person, whether that person is male or female.
    While there are redneck assholes to contend with, I took less flak for being unfeminine and different in West Virginia than I take now in Ohio.

  20. sophonisba
    sophonisba August 31, 2007 at 2:05 am |

    Women control much of the business interactions here. If I, for instance, wish to hire a man to come help me with some task on the farm, I must call his wife and arrange it. She will make the decision whether he may accept my job.

    And when you wish to hire a woman to help you with something? What happens then?

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