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  1. mythago
    mythago September 13, 2007 at 5:55 pm |

    Shorter Dawn Eden: That attractive ho might catch the eye of a man who would otherwise marry me! How dare she!

  2. Mnemosyne
    Mnemosyne September 13, 2007 at 6:13 pm |

    “Look, all I know is that if I don’t want to invite muggers, I don’t walk around flashing the contents of my wallet. I cover it up. Everybody knows I have one — it’s not something I have to advertise.”

    Um, Dawn is aware that most people who get mugged weren’t “flashing the contents of [their] wallet,” right? She does know that most people who get mugged are just walking down the street minding their own business when some asshole comes up and demands that s/he hand over the wallet, yes? Because otherwise she looks like the world’s biggest fucking idiot for even trying to use that metaphor.

    Either that, or she’s trying to say, “Ladies, it doesn’t matter if you dress like a slut or not, because assholes are still going to try and assault you, so dress however the hell you want” and really messing up the sarcasm.

  3. Amanda Marcotte
    Amanda Marcotte September 13, 2007 at 6:14 pm |

    Good point about bodies vs. clothes. Even when I was in high school, I thought it was vaguely amusing how I’d be able to wear any shirt I wanted,no matter how low-cut, to class and never got sent to the office for it. (Shorts were a different story.) But a girl with bigger breasts was constrained a lot more.

  4. baby221
    baby221 September 13, 2007 at 6:16 pm |

    Dawn Eden is among the women I’d classify as sexist. I know that the general radical definition pretty much precludes women from being sexist, but I don’t know any other term that quite encompasses “actively perpetuating patriarchy by keeping women down” quite so well.

  5. Tony
    Tony September 13, 2007 at 6:39 pm |

    The funny thing is, she wasn’t even wearing anything that revealing.

  6. johanna
    johanna September 13, 2007 at 7:33 pm |

    I keep trying to comment, but Dawn has left me without words this time. Or too many that are inappropriate to civilized conversation. Whatever. All I know is that I want to break out the miniskirt and take a flight somewhere.

  7. johanna
    johanna September 13, 2007 at 7:38 pm |

    also, memo to Dawn Eden, “Hooters Girl” has a name: Kyla Ebbert. (Notice that she doesn’t use Kyla’s name in her post.) “Hooters Girl” is also not a girl he is a GROWN WOMAN and a college student.

    GAH!

  8. randomliberal
    randomliberal September 13, 2007 at 7:47 pm |

    What the hell is “TBCLLHHWAGKOP”?

  9. Sycorax
    Sycorax September 13, 2007 at 8:07 pm |

    “Epidermis exhibitionist”? What else does an exhibitionist exhibit? Are there people out there flashing their livers?

  10. Bitter Scribe
    Bitter Scribe September 13, 2007 at 8:57 pm |

    Something I don’t get about this whole incident: Who exactly was Southwest protecting from this young lady?

    If she had sat next to me, I would have counted it the best thing that happened to me on an airplane since I found a $50 bill in the seat one time.

  11. Hector B.
    Hector B. September 13, 2007 at 9:50 pm |

    The Daily Show (or Colbert) ran a clip of an old Southwest commercial showing flight attendants wearing uniforms that left their butt cheeks visible. Why the recent flush of modesty, I wonder.

  12. Manju
    Manju September 13, 2007 at 11:07 pm |

    o’reilly covered this last night. he sided with the women and raged at Southwest.

    at least you know what cathrine Mckiinon felt like when Jerry falwell supported her legislation.

  13. Kyra
    Kyra September 13, 2007 at 11:24 pm |

    Instead of suing the airline, you should be paying it out of gratitude for showing you the truth of what you are doing every day — treating yourself as a walking commodity, and others as consumers.

    No, SHE is treating herself like a person who feels the effects of a warm climate and has the sense to dress accordingly. DAWN is the one treating her like a commodity, as though a human female has worth only when she wears a certain amount of clothing—apparently the clothing conveys worth on the otherwise-worthless woman.

    Likewise, if I don’t want people to treat me like an object, I cover up.

    See? Woman, herself, is an object unless the presence of clothing conveys “respectibility” or “virtue” which is the only thing about a woman that has value.

    Gods forbid we consider a woman to have worth of her own, which doesn’t depend on culturally-mandated additions—or for that matter, the right to be comfortable in the temperature of her environment rather than having to suffer excess heat for the sake of modesty.

    But I can make an effort to show I am conscious that my body belongs to me — and no one else. That is true feminine power — not putting one’s body on display and then getting all humiliated and embarrassed when accused of crass commercialism.

    Surprise surprise, being treated like an object when you should be treated like a person is humiliating and embarrassing.

    Funny . . . here I was thinking that dressing for comfort in the heat was treating my body as belonging to me and no one else. Covering one’s body to dictate what other people see is reacting to other people, and in a case like this it is putting the status of the “display” above personal comfort.

  14. LowerManhattanite
    LowerManhattanite September 14, 2007 at 1:14 am |

    “Look, all I know is that if I don’t want to invite muggers, I don’t walk around flashing the contents of my wallet. I cover it up. Everybody knows I have one — it’s not something I have to advertise. Likewise, if I don’t want people to treat me like an object, I cover up.”

    Because it’s only Playboy Playmates who are attacked, or judged by men, right? Dawn…or rather Dusk, (something dimming instead of enlightening) willfully ignores the fact that women in general are often considered objects and second-class citizens, not because they are overly exposed, but rather, because they are women—or, not men. 5-year old girls are raped. 85-year old women are raped. Neither of the two are what you would deem as the most exposed, or visually arresting of womankind. They catch hell not because they are overly alluring, but usually because of the warped, over-the-top manifestation of the male-female power relationship.

    And as my wife pointed out simply, “This was a flight, right? Where she’d be seated for about 98% of the ride? Who was gonna be seated in front of her, looking up her skirt? How much would everybody on the plane have seen her? How offensive was she gonna be planted in her seat with at the most, maybe five people seeing her for a length of time? That’s if all five seats in her aisle were filled. And sitting next to her ain’t gonna give you the best view of the goods anyway. Some people just wanna be upset”.

  15. Norah
    Norah September 14, 2007 at 1:39 am |

    What the hell is “TBCLLHHWAGKOP”?

    The Big Chested Long Legged Hooters Hottie Who Almost Got Kicked Off [a] Plane.

    I guess it’s easier to type than…Kyla Ebbert?

    *shrug*

  16. jp
    jp September 14, 2007 at 9:12 am |

    She is so insanely incoherent. WTF does this even MEAN?’

    ** Some less-than-a-gentleman stared at me just the other day on the Metro when I was wearing an ensemble that would have made Phyllis Schlafly look like a trollop. But I can make an effort to show I am conscious that my body belongs to me — and no one else.**

    So, woman who wears a short skirt to board a plane is a slut-who-is-asking for it. When Dawn, however, BY HER OWN ADMISSION, dresses like a tart to ride the Metro, she is somehow protected from slutty-slutness by the superior power of her Modesty Mojo. Or something.

    The extent of the self-loathing and projection is just flabbergasting. As annoying as she is, she’s even more pathetic.

  17. roses
    roses September 14, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    Nah, jp, she meant she was covered up from head to toe but she still got leered at. Which proves… exactly the opposite of her point. She’s an insane woman.

  18. ElleBeMe
    ElleBeMe September 14, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    I’m sorry, but is there a rule that men leer ONLY at women in mini skirts?

    Do I have to state that Michele Duggar has no problem getting her man’s interest and she is draped in calico printed prairie fashions akin to Ma Engles from LHOP? Never underestimate the lure of flannel and plaid….

    Frankly I’ve known men who look at all sorts of women, and it isn’t because of what they are/aren’t wearing……

    I Guess it is a good thing this young woman wasn’t overweight too…..she’d have to change and buy another seat to boot!

  19. ellenbrenna
    ellenbrenna September 14, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Embarassment is a powerful social tool. I think stupidity and cruelty should be embarassing. For example I think Dawn should be embarassed by her own inanity and shut the hell up.

  20. ekf
    ekf September 14, 2007 at 11:43 am |

    People are idiots about how women dress. The SWAir dumbness has been compounded in all the media coverage, perhaps reaching its apex in Dawn Eden’s comments.

    For example, in this article (http://travel.msn.com/Guides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=423164&GT1=10422), they have this quote:

    Lynda White, who teaches etiquette classes and calls herself “The First Lady of Manners,” said many young people have gotten lax on what to wear and how to act—possibly influenced by Hollywood stars. She recommends “business-casual” outfits for the plane because you might be seated next to a potential employer or business contact.

    Apart from querying whether or not anyone who calls herself something so self-aggrandizing as “The First Lady of Manners” should be trusted on subjects regarding taste, she totally fails to realize that one of the women — this one that Dawn Eden has found particularly suited to torment — works at Hooters. What she wore on the plane would be considered appropriate (and perhaps even too modest) for Kyla Ebbert’s workplace! Wearing what she was wearing could possibly get her promoted in her current job if she were noticed by a business contact. What business is it of Lynda White’s to determine what line of work (and therefore what type of workplace attire) is appropriate for all women? None. Her comments are stupid.

    Of course, White’s comments pale in comparison to those by Dawn Eden, for whom all her comments seem to be shorten-able to “I’m not a slut like those women; why won’t some prince make me his princess?” So sad to see her flail about in her web of insecurity so publicly.

  21. fshk
    fshk September 14, 2007 at 12:45 pm |

    Not to mention that Dawn is essentially telling all women to hate themselves: Your bodies are shameful, keep them covered up. Though no fault of my own, I have large breasts and learned a long time ago that no amount of covering immunizes me from unwanted male attention. I’m on display in a muumuu as much as I am in a low-cut shirt. Maybe Dawn enjoys being commodified, but I don’t particularly. (I actually do dress pretty conservatively, which I think is irrelevant, except that it still gets me harassed periodically and I even had a stalker for a while last year. It was those oh, so sexy chunky turtleneck sweaters, right? My face was uncovered, guess I was asking for it.)

  22. Hector B.
    Hector B. September 14, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    Though no fault of my own, I have large breasts and learned a long time ago that no amount of covering immunizes me from unwanted male attention.

    In seventh grade I had the impression that “She has big breasts, she must be good at teh secks.” But I grew out of it.

  23. Doug
    Doug September 14, 2007 at 3:34 pm |

    You know, some men out there are hard-core foot fetishists. If Dawn Eden is out walking barefoot on the beach and some sleazebag runs up to her and immediately starts licking and caressing her toes, then she has no one to blame but herself, leaving those luscious, tempting piggies bare-ass naked in broad daylight for all to see.

  24. Michelle
    Michelle September 14, 2007 at 4:47 pm |

    How, exactly, does one put together an outfit that properly sends the message that you’re a self-righteous narcissistic prick?

    Answer: Check Dawn Eden’s pictures out…

    More seriously, she is simply showing us the duplicity of the neo-religious arguments that she throws around and her own actions.

  25. Jen
    Jen September 14, 2007 at 7:00 pm |

    I was thinking about this today when I was outside running in an old gray t-shirt and running shorts, sweating, no makeup, bed head, and I still got a cat call. Maybe the problem isn’t what you wear, or your body, but rather the assholes who see a woman and decide that they have the right to say whatever they want to because you happen to cross their line of sight. Ugh.

    I think it is sad that we live in a society that women CAN wear whatever they want, but do so at the risk of unwanted attention.

  26. Kat
    Kat September 14, 2007 at 7:38 pm |

    She recommends “business-casual” outfits for the plane because you might be seated next to a potential employer or business contact.

    Oh, that is hilarious. That woman has obviously never sat in coach.

  27. ytak
    ytak September 17, 2007 at 7:10 am |

    How does Dawn Eden even exist in modern times? Her ideas sound like they come from a bad book from the Middle Ages instructing young ladies on how to behave…

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