Comments on: This sounds suspiciously like that episode of the Simpsons when they split up the boys and girls and Lisa had to pose as a boy to get decent math classes http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:00:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: what is curriculum http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-179121 what is curriculum Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:57:14 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-179121 [...] like somebody decided that what middle-school kids really needed was a good dose of gendhttp://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-s...Curriculum InfusionCurriculum Infusion is the process of integrating substance abuse prevention [...] [...] like somebody decided that what middle-school kids really needed was a good dose of gendhttp://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-s…Curriculum InfusionCurriculum Infusion is the process of integrating substance abuse prevention [...]

]]> By: Enough already with the “boys left behind” shtick « Social Justice Librarian http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-147789 Enough already with the “boys left behind” shtick « Social Justice Librarian Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:42:20 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-147789 [...] As Zuzu at Feministe wrote, “This sounds suspiciously like that episode of the Simpsons when they split up the boys and girls and...“ [...] [...] As Zuzu at Feministe wrote, “This sounds suspiciously like that episode of the Simpsons when they split up the boys and girls and…“ [...]

]]> By: Feminist Focus - Today Top Blog Posts on Feminism - Powered by SocialRank http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130456 Feminist Focus - Today Top Blog Posts on Feminism - Powered by SocialRank Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:09:37 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130456 [...] Feministe » This sounds suspiciously like that episode of the Simpsons when they split up the ... [...] [...] Feministe » This sounds suspiciously like that episode of the Simpsons when they split up the … [...]

]]> By: Willow http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130407 Willow Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:14:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130407 <em>Gasp! Guess we Mainers are far behind the enlightened example given by our Southern neighbors…</em> Please Louis, don't turn this into a North vs. South issue. I am a (proud) resident of North Carolina, and I am happy to report that our school systems, even in the poor county that I reside in, are top notch as far as education goes. And no, we aren't segregated in any fashion. I've found that quite a few high school graduates here out-perform the transfer students from high-tier schools in the Northeast. I don't think this is a matter of region, but rather a matter of school systems. I apologize if I read into your comment more than I should have, but digs against the Southern region of the US really strike a nerve in me. Gasp! Guess we Mainers are far behind the enlightened example given by our Southern neighbors…

Please Louis, don’t turn this into a North vs. South issue. I am a (proud) resident of North Carolina, and I am happy to report that our school systems, even in the poor county that I reside in, are top notch as far as education goes. And no, we aren’t segregated in any fashion. I’ve found that quite a few high school graduates here out-perform the transfer students from high-tier schools in the Northeast. I don’t think this is a matter of region, but rather a matter of school systems.

I apologize if I read into your comment more than I should have, but digs against the Southern region of the US really strike a nerve in me.

]]> By: Cruella http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130271 Cruella Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:19:22 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130271 There's nothing wrong with having different classes to ensure different students interests are catered to. There's everything wrong with deciding who goes to which class based on gender. Also as ever, you see how horrific the sexism situation is if you translate it into racism. What if the classes were segregated by race? That would be outrageous. <a href="http://cruellablog.blogspot.com/2007/10/it-must-be-dove-dove-dove.html" rel="nofollow">Meanwhile looks like girls in the UK may be being segregated for special self-esteem classes, sponsored by a beauty product company.</a> There’s nothing wrong with having different classes to ensure different students interests are catered to. There’s everything wrong with deciding who goes to which class based on gender.

Also as ever, you see how horrific the sexism situation is if you translate it into racism. What if the classes were segregated by race? That would be outrageous.

Meanwhile looks like girls in the UK may be being segregated for special self-esteem classes, sponsored by a beauty product company.

]]> By: Mark Liberman http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130165 Mark Liberman Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:35:11 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-130165 I believe that the source of the (false) idea that "research shows boys don’t hear as well as girls" is Dr. Leonard Sax, the person behind www.singlesexschools.org. There's a (perhaps too detailed) discussion of his arguments for this position in <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003561.html" rel="nofollow">this weblog post</a>. I believe that the source of the (false) idea that “research shows boys don’t hear as well as girls” is Dr. Leonard Sax, the person behind http://www.singlesexschools.org.

There’s a (perhaps too detailed) discussion of his arguments for this position in this weblog post.

]]> By: Isabel http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129284 Isabel Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:27:47 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129284 Actually, I sort of like the idea of throwing a ball to someone who's answering a question to get tehir attention. It can work pretty well (especially when you combine it with "and only the person with the ball can talk," should that be part of the desired result) in non-classroom settings; I don't know if it would help kids pay attention better, necessarily, but I do think it could help liven up a lesson for kids. (I just started a very kid-heavy job, so this sort of stuff is very much on my mind). But I think it would help kids of both sexes, not just boys (because again, going from my recent experience, girls are every bit as hyper as boys are). Actually, I sort of like the idea of throwing a ball to someone who’s answering a question to get tehir attention. It can work pretty well (especially when you combine it with “and only the person with the ball can talk,” should that be part of the desired result) in non-classroom settings; I don’t know if it would help kids pay attention better, necessarily, but I do think it could help liven up a lesson for kids. (I just started a very kid-heavy job, so this sort of stuff is very much on my mind).

But I think it would help kids of both sexes, not just boys (because again, going from my recent experience, girls are every bit as hyper as boys are).

]]> By: kali http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129184 kali Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:24:13 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129184 OH my god. This is unbelievably hilarious, and relevant to this post. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004943.html#more Crockus!!!!!!! OH my god. This is unbelievably hilarious, and relevant to this post.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004943.html#more

Crockus!!!!!!!

]]> By: Kat http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129098 Kat Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:36:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129098 <blockquote>Using microphones because boys “dont hear well”? Throwing balls at them to get their attention? That’s not even coherent gender stereotyping. That’s just bizarre.</blockquote> Actually, this sort of thing is pretty common and effective with kids with attention deficits. It helps them to stay better focused. When my son takes a test, we ask that his teacher give him one page at a time. When he is done with one page, he must get up and walk to get the next one. This helps give him a mental break. His test scores improved when we started doing this. I think the problem isn't the accommodations in and of themselves--but that they are assigning them to girl versus boy instead of determining if the child needs them regardless of gender.

Using microphones because boys “dont hear well”? Throwing balls at them to get their attention?

That’s not even coherent gender stereotyping. That’s just bizarre.

Actually, this sort of thing is pretty common and effective with kids with attention deficits. It helps them to stay better focused. When my son takes a test, we ask that his teacher give him one page at a time. When he is done with one page, he must get up and walk to get the next one. This helps give him a mental break. His test scores improved when we started doing this.

I think the problem isn’t the accommodations in and of themselves–but that they are assigning them to girl versus boy instead of determining if the child needs them regardless of gender.

]]> By: Bitter Scribe http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129026 Bitter Scribe Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:33:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/10/01/this-sounds-suspiciously-like-that-episode-of-the-simpsons-when-they-split-up-the-boys-and-girls-and-lisa-had-to-pose-as-a-boy-to-get-decent-math-classes/#comment-129026 Using microphones because boys "dont hear well"? Throwing balls at them to get their attention? That's not even coherent gender stereotyping. That's just bizarre. Using microphones because boys “dont hear well”? Throwing balls at them to get their attention?

That’s not even coherent gender stereotyping. That’s just bizarre.

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