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Jill has been blogging for Feministe since 2005.
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  1. Cara
    Cara October 14, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    Yeah, the whole idea that it is somehow wrong to give sexual pleasure to your husband — and much more so, to receive it — is just fucked up beyond belief.

    Obviously, I’m not surprised. Just sad.

  2. Deoridhe
    Deoridhe October 14, 2007 at 11:55 am |

    I’ve always hated those bumper stickers that say: “Aren’t you glad your mom was pro-life?”

    No, I’m glad my mom was pro-choice because she chose me.

  3. johanna
    johanna October 14, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    So, is Duquesne gonna pony up the bucks that Planned Parenthood was contributing, or in the spirit of bossy, nose-butinski, conservative Catholics everywhere, not really going to help the situation?

    I’ll be interested to see, but I’m guessing the latter will be most likely.

    PS-Forgive me, I’m a bitter, liberal Catholic.
    PPS-I’m so thankful I got out of Western PA when I had the chance.

  4. Cola Johnson
    Cola Johnson October 14, 2007 at 2:07 pm |

    Something that struck me as odd from an early age about this argument, that I wouldn’t have been born if my mom had had an abortion/that God has written out the story of our lives and the lives of aborted fetuses don’t get to be lived, was that I always hear people consoling the relatives of victims of sudden death by saying that it was somehow “God’s plan” and that “God worked in mysterious ways.”

    When I was four, my little sister Angel died of SIDS. Before she did, I made my tiny life around her schedule. She was the centre of my universe. I have always resented that she was taken away from me. My mother always told me growing up, though, that we had to trust that God had had a plan for her, and that she’d lived as long as he’d meant her to.

    When pregnancies are terminated, by the very same logic, is that not part of God’s plan? This doesn’t make sense even in the fabric of the trite “free will” argument. Maybe these inconsistencies in the faith laid the foundation for my ardent atheism.

    I’m less resentful thinking that my sister was simply the victim of a random, common affliction than if she’d been taken back by God. My Atheism isn’t a “rebellion”, and it’s not born out of bitterness, but the ability to cope with the tragedy that composes the first cognisant memories of my life is a happy byproduct.

  5. Mercredi
    Mercredi October 14, 2007 at 5:19 pm |

    (I have to cynically wonder if the real reason they objected to those “thanks to our sponsor” broadcasts was because they were evidence that Planned Parenthood != Eating Babies.)

    Regarding the hypocrisy, I just talked with a Duquesne Law School graduate, and he says that technically they’re not exactly Catholic, but rather “Spiritan”, a group that broke away from the Jesuits because they tend to support things like IVF. So as obnoxious as their decision regarding rejecting PP funding, it’s not necessarily hypocritical for them to accept funding from IVF clinics.

  6. kate
    kate October 14, 2007 at 6:24 pm |

    The Vatican is so out of touch with the real lives of ordinary people that I will not be surprised if they end up dying out in the next hundred years, that is if this planet survives the next hundred years. Unfortunately, I won’t be around to see it happen.

  7. syfr
    syfr October 14, 2007 at 8:20 pm |

    My mother is pro-life. And no, I am not glad that she is. I never know if I was really wanted; she insists I was, but wouldn’t she, now that I’m here?

  8. William
    William October 14, 2007 at 11:10 pm |

    Not to quibble, Jill, but the station in question wasn’t forced to stop accepting donations. A private institution (which, for whatever reason, was in charge of a public broadcasting entity) decided that they didn’t want to accept money from an organization which they felt did not share their values. Was the decision stupid, short sighted, and hypocritical? Yeah, of course. Do the values the college is trying to uphold suck? I’m comfortable saying yes. Are the implications of the decision creepy and repugnant? Certainly.

    Still, it isn’t like NPR was beaten down by some big evil interest group. They got into bed with a Catholic organization and they either were too stupid to read the fine print, too naive to believe that it might be used against them, or too desperate to pay attention to who they were getting their access from.

    You lay down with pigs, you wake up in shit.

  9. Antigone
    Antigone October 14, 2007 at 11:24 pm |

    The Vatican is so out of touch with the real lives of ordinary people that I will not be surprised if they end up dying out in the next hundred years, that is if this planet survives the next hundred years.

    The Church survived Gailleo, Luther, Darwin, and Einstein; they’ll keep trucking along just fine.

    I think churches are like casinos: you give them money, and in return you get false hope. Casinos I think are better though; you at least get pretty lights.

  10. Jovan1984
    Jovan1984 October 15, 2007 at 3:10 am |

    This is why I trust blogs like Feministe, instead of far-right outlets like NPR and PBS.

    I wonder what the outrage would be like if NPR and PBS was ordered by feminists or LGBT groups to refuse funding from the far right Catholic lunatic fringes?

  11. Carrie S.
    Carrie S. October 15, 2007 at 2:41 pm |

    WDUQ is having a fundraiser right now, too. While I was never going to give them any money–I listen to the station under protest because it’s what my partner likes, and I thoroughly detest the tone of NPR fundraising spiels (Ira Glass can kiss my ass)–I now have an iron-clad reason to present. After all, I support PP; if their money’s not good enough for Duquesne, neither is mine.

  12. ACG
    ACG October 15, 2007 at 5:54 pm |

    I think churches are like casinos: you give them money, and in return you get false hope. Casinos I think are better though; you at least get pretty lights.

    Hey, churches give you pretty lights! You get candles and pretty stained glass and everything.

    Casinos are better because the drinks are all comped.

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