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  1. ElleBeMe
    ElleBeMe October 17, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    Where do they find these people?

    One thing is for certain – a tenet of Bush’s leagacy will be that he never appointed anyone who viewed women as people.

    This makes me so angry….

  2. DAS
    DAS October 17, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    FRC promotes the Judeo-Christian worldview as the basis for a just, free, and stable society.

    FRC is partially right here. I certainly think implimenting key Levitical laws will allow for a just and free society, but I dunno how stable it would be. In fact, avoiding the stability of feudalism would be the very point … oh, wait a minute, when these FRC types refer to a “Judeo-Christian worldview” they aren’t talking about implimenting the laws of the Sabbatical and Jubilee years nor about free loan societies nor about tithing to give to the poor nor about prohibiting gleaning by farmers so that the poor can glean nor about requiring day laborers to be paid promptly and fully …

    Remind me again what it is that they are talking about? Oh yes … teh hawt sex. They always are talking about teh hawt sex. And they accuse us liberals of being over-sexualized? Do they project much?

  3. cKate
    cKate October 17, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    Oh dear. Things like this make my uterus and ovaries want to run away to Canada.

  4. Think Progress » Bush Family Planning Appointee Called Contraceptives Part Of The ‘Culture Of Death’

    [...] UPDATE: Jill at Feministe points out that Orr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.” [...]

  5. Eruvande
    Eruvande October 17, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    Orr calls child protection “the most intrusive arm of social services.”

    That makes me throw up a little.

    Like George Carlin says, “if you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re pre-school, you’re fucked.” What the hell is these people’s problem with actual walking, breathing people?!

    I would like to see everyone who thinks this way be forced to adopt one of the hundreds of thousands of children in foster care. Oh wait, many of those are brown. Oops!

  6. norbizness
    norbizness October 17, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    Or, as they say in Texas, “the most terminally underfunded arm of social services so that hundreds of children die yearly from abuse or neglect.”

  7. Robin @ NWLC
    Robin @ NWLC October 17, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    It’s funny — FRC refuses to use the words “family planning services” in their action alerts without quote marks around them.

    The Title X program is a critical part of our country’s health care safety net for low-income women, providing contraceptive care and other preventive health services to more than 5 million women each year. We’ll be watching to see what happens next with this appointment…

  8. preying mantis
    preying mantis October 17, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    “Although spoken of in terms of social services,” writes Susan Orr, “the child-protection function of child welfare is essentially a police action.

    The only way I can see that statement making a bit of sense is if she sees CPS taking a child away from an abusive parent as CPS punishing the parent, not CPS protecting the child.

  9. annejumps
    annejumps October 17, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    Oh dear. Things like this make my uterus and ovaries want to run away to Canada.

    I know the feeling.

  10. ohsohappy
    ohsohappy October 17, 2007 at 12:06 pm |

    Can you imagine the response if this proposal were related to pregnancy and child birth?

    “In 2001, when President Bush proposed eliminating the requirement that federal employees’ health insurance offer coverage for pregnancy and child birth, Dr. Orr, then the senior director for marriage and families at the Family Research Council 4, told the Washington Post, “We’re quite pleased because pregnancy is not a disease. It’s not a necessity that you have medical intervention in pregnancy and childbirth.

    Again, I say, they can pry my pills from my cold dead hands. I guarantee that me being pregnant for 40 weeks, and giving birth to a baby of any kind is going to cost my insurance company more than a monthly pack of pills. Hell, mine are covered right now, and until I hit my maximum out of pocket for the year I pay $60/month.

  11. micheyd
    micheyd October 17, 2007 at 12:17 pm |

    The only way I can see that statement making a bit of sense is if she sees CPS taking a child away from an abusive parent as CPS punishing the parent, not CPS protecting the child.

    I interpreted it this way: these people are all about “not breaking up families” – which to them, means keeping a family absolutely together no matter what. Abuse isn’t a big deal. Same kind of attitude that rails against feminists for setting up DV shelters because it “causes” women to run away from their husbands.

  12. Aishwarya
    Aishwarya October 17, 2007 at 12:32 pm |

    The only way I can see that statement making a bit of sense is if she sees CPS taking a child away from an abusive parent as CPS punishing the parent, not CPS protecting the child.

    …well considering banning abortion often seems more about punishing the mother, not saving the foetus,I suppose this is logical.

  13. ohsohappy
    ohsohappy October 17, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    I left out part of what I meant to say, which is that there are services covered which aren’t considered ‘diseases’. Pregnancy and child birth were the first to come to mind, but there are others.

    I guess my thought is “This is one scary person” if she was happy that something has to be a disease to be covered. Especially since there’s that one contraceptive option that had other benefits as well. You know, the Pill?

  14. SoE
    SoE October 17, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    Like domestic violence programs, child protection procedures blur the distinction between therapy and law enforcement, allowing social workers to exercise police functions.

    I so want to see her going to a mum and her kids saying that she should have stayed married and being beaten up and raped on a daily basis cannot possibly have been that bad.

    Has she ever met real people?

  15. NoOneYouKnow
    NoOneYouKnow October 17, 2007 at 1:28 pm |

    And she’s probably been married three times, has no kids, and likes to take long solo junkets to Atlantic City…

    “Oh dear. Things like this make my uterus and ovaries want to run away to Canada.”
    Those poor Canadian border guards.

  16. redgirl
    redgirl October 17, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    ohsohappy, you hit the nail on the head. Insurance covers plenty of non-necessary options. (Viagra, anyone?) Including pregnancy, which certainly isn’t necessary for your survival or health.

    Also, birth control can absolutely be medically necessary. I know two women who were put on months of bedrest during pregnancy, who were told by their doctors that they MUST not get pregnant again because it was likely to kill them. I guess Orr is saying that these happily married women and their husbands should commit to a life of celibacy, because that’s the only other option besides birth control.

  17. Ailei
    Ailei October 17, 2007 at 1:51 pm |

    My question, as always, is: “Doctor Orr, why are you not home cranking out babies and keeping house and fulfilling your god-mandated purpose? You don’t belong in the public sphere, so get back to doing what god says you should be doing, and stop displaying yourself to men who aren’t your husband, father, brother or son, you filthy, upstart slattern!”

  18. ohsohappy
    ohsohappy October 17, 2007 at 2:37 pm |

    And the married, non-contraceptive using, celibate couple is such a realistic situation.

  19. Em
    Em October 17, 2007 at 2:49 pm |

    Oh, but redgirl, ED is a disorder. Penii are to be hard on command, every time. It’s only natural. If they’re not, they must be fixed!

  20. tannenburg
    tannenburg October 17, 2007 at 4:30 pm |

    It’s constantly amazing to me that an Administration so patently unpopular continues to make arrogant choices which run contrary to the sympathies of the vast majority of the people…but perhaps they have a feeling of millenarian fatalism, slinging one last stone in defense of their ideals, martyring themselves for the cause.

    I can only hope, in a perverse way, that they continue to make such choices in the hope that they will discredit themselves and their allies so thoroughly that their cause will be hopelessly unpopular for at least a generation.

  21. Daniel DiRito
    Daniel DiRito October 17, 2007 at 5:59 pm |

    See a tongue-in-cheek list of the top ten reasons George Bush appointed Susan Orr…here:

    http://www.thoughttheater.com

  22. akshelby
    akshelby October 17, 2007 at 6:34 pm |

    I read the paper Jill linked to regarding social services. She thinks social services should only get involved in cases where there was criminal behavior, i.e. severe abuse and neglect. She thinks that surprise, surprise – families with non-criminal behavior can get services from charitable religious agencies for help with parenting and drug and alcohol problems. Without state interventions she sees them as more likely to want to get help. She has obviously never worked in the social services field. The majority of people that social services works with are people who do not want help with their parenting issues since they don’t see themselves as having any problems. She also believes that people who abuse and neglect their children should be punished rather than rehabilitated. She is definitely pro-fetus, anti-child and anti-family.

  23. lsrj.org » Blog Archive » More Bad Bush Appointees

    [...] she thinks that Plan B is a “grave threat to women’s health.” Jill says it sounds like a headline from the Onion. Only it’s real life. It’s [...]

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  25. Relevance » Comments from Left Field
    Relevance » Comments from Left Field October 17, 2007 at 9:25 pm |

    [...] Feministe really has the goods this woman.  Orr may not be a champion of women’s rights, per se, but is definitely a champion of staying married, as evidenced by her paper, “Real Women Stay Married.” [...]

  26. Drasties Blog
    Drasties Blog October 17, 2007 at 11:16 pm |

    [...] UPDATE: Jill at Feministe points out that Orr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.” [...]

  27. Same Old, Same Old » Comments from Left Field

    [...] not “first to be tossed overboard.” More on Orr and the FRC from RH Reality Check and Jill @ Feministe,  who also links to a Planned Parenthood petition calling on (reproductive) freedom-loving [...]

  28. bastard.logic
    bastard.logic October 17, 2007 at 11:54 pm |

    Same Old, Same Old…

    by matttbastard
    x-posted @ Comments From Left Field
    WaPo: Bush puts birth control opponent in charge of family planning office:
    Susan Orr, most recently an associate commissioner in the Administration for Children and Families, was appointed Monday to …

  29. TinaH
    TinaH October 18, 2007 at 2:39 pm |

    And the married, non-contraceptive using, celibate couple is such a realistic situation.

    Actually, that first year after the kid is born, when sleep is SO much more important than makin’ whoopie…

    ;-)

  30. Sharon M
    Sharon M October 20, 2007 at 6:38 pm |

    George Bush Sr. was one of the authors expanding Title X funding in the Nixon adminsitration. His nick name was “Rubbers”, he was so passionate about family planning. I read it in a book called The War on Choice, by Gloria Feldt, former Planned Parenthood director. I think this is another nail in the coffin of the Reich-Wing.

  31. nem0
    nem0 October 23, 2007 at 6:44 pm |

    “It’s not a medical necessity that you have [contraception].”

    No, of course not. There are no medical conditions where contraception can inexpensively help protect a person from severe pain, distorted anatomy, or even (GASP!) infertility. Because conditions like endometriosis and PCOS are all in a woman’s head. She just needs to pray more and stop pissing off the sky daddy.

    But heavens forbid a man can’t get a boner. The state better step in and fix that lickety-split!

  32. joyceishere.com | Bush appointee criticized by liberals

    [...] discussions include The Wall Street Journal’s Washington Wire, The Huffington Post, Feministe, The National Abortion Federation and [...]

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