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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135402</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely disgusting, more so for being so culturally predictable. 

Although, I really *do* think &quot;bionic hymen&quot; needs to be added to the 12 days of Christmas Pussy.

Maybe as a stocking stuffer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely disgusting, more so for being so culturally predictable. </p>
<p>Although, I really *do* think &#8220;bionic hymen&#8221; needs to be added to the 12 days of Christmas Pussy.</p>
<p>Maybe as a stocking stuffer?</p>
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		<title>By: Darcie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135376</link>
		<dc:creator>Darcie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no words. O_o

*shudders*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no words. O_o</p>
<p>*shudders*</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135293</link>
		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, prior to such surgery women did come up with inventive ways of faking the hymen--it usually involved taking pig&#039;s bladders with animal blood in them to bed on the wedding night, if memory serves.  You can find that kind of thing in Renaissance-era midwifery manuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, prior to such surgery women did come up with inventive ways of faking the hymen&#8211;it usually involved taking pig&#8217;s bladders with animal blood in them to bed on the wedding night, if memory serves.  You can find that kind of thing in Renaissance-era midwifery manuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Spotted and Herbacious Backson</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135292</link>
		<dc:creator>Spotted and Herbacious Backson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeeeuuuuuggghhhh.  
I was so horrified by fiction I read at 14 that I decided to get pro-active and went to work making sure that no one would be able to hurt me in that area.  Now, I am still revolted and sickened by the idea that it&#039;s okay to hurt someone just to make their anatomy fit yours.  For those who trot out the excuse that some culture demands a gory spectacle or else the victim will be killed, it seems to me that a simulation could be provided that would not be painful for the patient.  And for those who think this culture is so superior to those, how come books for young girls--and the mothers of young girls--don&#039;t tell them flat out HOW to make damn sure it won&#039;t hurt??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeeeuuuuuggghhhh.<br />
I was so horrified by fiction I read at 14 that I decided to get pro-active and went to work making sure that no one would be able to hurt me in that area.  Now, I am still revolted and sickened by the idea that it&#8217;s okay to hurt someone just to make their anatomy fit yours.  For those who trot out the excuse that some culture demands a gory spectacle or else the victim will be killed, it seems to me that a simulation could be provided that would not be painful for the patient.  And for those who think this culture is so superior to those, how come books for young girls&#8211;and the mothers of young girls&#8211;don&#8217;t tell them flat out HOW to make damn sure it won&#8217;t hurt??</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135280</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosemary Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want bionic irising hymens installed in my ears to close when I go swimming and keep the water out. To go with the webbing installed between my fingers to make me swim faster, which is a fabulous idea (except I&#039;d have to give up my love for fingerless gloves and go with mittens instead).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want bionic irising hymens installed in my ears to close when I go swimming and keep the water out. To go with the webbing installed between my fingers to make me swim faster, which is a fabulous idea (except I&#8217;d have to give up my love for fingerless gloves and go with mittens instead).</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shudders*  I can think of about eighty million more fun ways to have sex involving pain.  I can think of at least two to have sex involving pseudo-virginity, both safer than the surgical one.  And I am so, so fucking glad that my first partner was not a virginity-fetishizing pushy freak, and that my own first time, while painful, didn&#039;t screw me up for life.  Eeughh.  That article makes my skin crawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shudders*  I can think of about eighty million more fun ways to have sex involving pain.  I can think of at least two to have sex involving pseudo-virginity, both safer than the surgical one.  And I am so, so fucking glad that my first partner was not a virginity-fetishizing pushy freak, and that my own first time, while painful, didn&#8217;t screw me up for life.  Eeughh.  That article makes my skin crawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point, Mythago.  On the other hand, you don&#039;t see ads like this for, say, getting webbing surgically installed between your fingers.  Despite the fact that I can see such a thing actually being useful to some people, there&#039;s just no demand for it.  Exaggerated as it may be (this is an ad, after all), the demand for replacement hymens exists, and that&#039;s bad enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point, Mythago.  On the other hand, you don&#8217;t see ads like this for, say, getting webbing surgically installed between your fingers.  Despite the fact that I can see such a thing actually being useful to some people, there&#8217;s just no demand for it.  Exaggerated as it may be (this is an ad, after all), the demand for replacement hymens exists, and that&#8217;s bad enough.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The content Lauredhel linked to is an &lt;i&gt;ad for surgery&lt;/i&gt;, right? Disgusting, but I rather doubt any of the stuff it says about the great demand for hymenoplasty is true. You don&#039;t sell much surgery by saying &quot;Men don&#039;t really care; in fact, your husband will probably freak out if you&#039;re in pain and bleeding.&quot; Better to make shit up about all the women rushing to get this surgery and the men who love them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The content Lauredhel linked to is an <i>ad for surgery</i>, right? Disgusting, but I rather doubt any of the stuff it says about the great demand for hymenoplasty is true. You don&#8217;t sell much surgery by saying &#8220;Men don&#8217;t really care; in fact, your husband will probably freak out if you&#8217;re in pain and bleeding.&#8221; Better to make shit up about all the women rushing to get this surgery and the men who love them.</p>
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		<title>By: The Pharyngula Mutating Genre* Meme &#171; I am the Lizard Queen!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/01/that-thrilling-conquest/#comment-135212</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pharyngula Mutating Genre* Meme &#171; I am the Lizard Queen!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sophonisba</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophonisba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But the idea of having sex with a virgin has always seemed horrible to me&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, good. Because that kind of attitude couldn&#039;t possibly be just as traumatizing as a negligible amount of pain overshadowed by sexual pleasure!

Not that you should ever &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to have sex with a virgin, and not that there is anything wrong with preferring women with a certain amount of experience, and good for you for not being a virgin-fetishist. But good lord, most women don&#039;t feel much or any pain if they&#039;re actually aroused and in control of the act. Treating virgins like dirtyscary bags of potential pain, on the other hand...

Seriously, for guys who freak out about this, you don&#039;t have to be some kind of sex god to &quot;initiate&quot; a virgin. Just lie back and let her run the show at her own pace. The only thing virgins and their partners have to know is that it doesn&#039;t need to hurt, and you can stop at any point if it does. It&#039;s really not such a big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the idea of having sex with a virgin has always seemed horrible to me</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, good. Because that kind of attitude couldn&#8217;t possibly be just as traumatizing as a negligible amount of pain overshadowed by sexual pleasure!</p>
<p>Not that you should ever <i>have</i> to have sex with a virgin, and not that there is anything wrong with preferring women with a certain amount of experience, and good for you for not being a virgin-fetishist. But good lord, most women don&#8217;t feel much or any pain if they&#8217;re actually aroused and in control of the act. Treating virgins like dirtyscary bags of potential pain, on the other hand&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, for guys who freak out about this, you don&#8217;t have to be some kind of sex god to &#8220;initiate&#8221; a virgin. Just lie back and let her run the show at her own pace. The only thing virgins and their partners have to know is that it doesn&#8217;t need to hurt, and you can stop at any point if it does. It&#8217;s really not such a big deal.</p>
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