Comments on: Save a Muslim, oppress a feminist

By: Nadine Hagar

Nadine Hagar — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:47:11 +0000

If Ann Coulter and David Horowitz had a child…*mind boggle*

By: Manas Shaikh

Manas Shaikh — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:49:40 +0000

It’s such a pleasure to find another blog that’s not islamophobic. Feminism adds to the charm! :)

By: Jack

Jack — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:22:25 +0000

While I agree that muslim woman in the west can stand with us as equal and for themselves, they don’t need us to fight their battles in such patronising ways -surely this doesn’t apply to sisters in the many gulf states who do need our support. Not a deliberate provocative question but a clarification. I know this is satire but seems to be saying if you were anti war then you can’t speak out against the issues women face in the gulf?

By: alsojill

alsojill — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:42:30 +0000

On the contrary, it’s good in a very provocative way. Sometimes writing needs to amplify reality to wake people out of thier stupor.

So true. :) Sorry if I misread you.

By: Miss Sarajevo

Miss Sarajevo — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:17:00 +0000

So, what? Effective satire is no longer acceptable, b/c it echoes the rhetoric it’s satirizing?

Jill’s post is clearly satirical–unlike some of the other bullshit that gets passed off as “satire,” in part b/c she takes it far enough that the absurdity is clear.

Painful earnestness is great, I suppose, but sometimes satire is more effective at gathering an audience and actually getting their (positive) attention.

(Groan)

Alsojill, I didn’t mean to imply it was bad. On the contrary, it’s good in a very provocative way. Sometimes writing needs to amplify reality to wake people out of thier stupor.

I was responding to Manju.

By: alsojill

alsojill — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:03 +0000

So, what? Effective satire is no longer acceptable, b/c it echoes the rhetoric it’s satirizing?

Jill’s post is clearly satirical–unlike some of the other bullshit that gets passed off as “satire,” in part b/c she takes it far enough that the absurdity is clear.

Painful earnestness is great, I suppose, but sometimes satire is more effective at gathering an audience and actually getting their (positive) attention.

By: Miss Sarajevo

Miss Sarajevo — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:30:04 +0000

What Jill wrote may have been satire, but it wasn’t too different from what Horowitz writes seriously. It was also creepily similar to the kind of tripe written by people like Mark Steyn, Debbie Schlussel, and Pamela Geller –hatemongers all.

By: exholt

exholt — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:29:01 +0000

It is. But this is Jill’s rhetoric, not the YAFs. This reminds me of the fake hate crime/parody at GWU, protesting islamo-fascism week. Posters saying “HATE MUSLIMS? SO DO WE!!” were plastered on campus, causing fear among the very communities the protesters claim to represent, then using the fear they created to attack the YAF.

Manju,

I know Jill is satirizing Horowitz and his ilk. I was referring more to the rhetoric of Horowitz and his ilk. Though this may sound silly, I have actually encountered people who have made points similar to the ones in Jill’s snarky post….but unlike her, were actually serious about it. My apologies if my prior comment did not make that clear.

By: Manju

Manju — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:39:51 +0000

For one, the hijab is voluntary

Zilla Huma Usman Her assassin, Mohammed Sarwar, was reported to have been motivated by her refusal to abide by the Islamic code of dress

By: Armadillo

Armadillo — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:30:25 +0000

I’ll never understand why the hijab (veil) worn by western Muslim women is viewed as a horrific crime against female liberation that feminists should protest. For one, the hijab is voluntary. Young Muslim women and girls have every right to refuse to wear the hijab. Many do. And regardless, some of the most wonderful, strong, interesting and certainly liberated women I know are Muslim hijabis. Veiling your hair doesn’t obliterate your personality.

I don’t understand how anyone can make the connection between the violent misogyny directed at women in Muslim societies and the personal choice that some Muslim women make to wear the veil.