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	<title>Comments on: Does this uterus make me look boxy?</title>
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		<title>By: 16 days blogging &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-148884</link>
		<dc:creator>16 days blogging &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] potential.  pushing for potential means they may try their damnedest to achieve more than being cardboard boxes, hopefully keeping them from situations where they might find themselves victims.  not all victims [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] potential.  pushing for potential means they may try their damnedest to achieve more than being cardboard boxes, hopefully keeping them from situations where they might find themselves victims.  not all victims [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie S.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138294</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Face it: most of you are spoiled little whitebread brats who want to be able to screw whomever you please without having to pay the consequences&lt;/em&gt;

So, if you&#039;re ever in a car accident, you&#039;re going to refuse attention from the EMTs, right?  Because, after all, you &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; when you got in the car that there was a chance you could crash, and there are other people who could die because the EMTs were spending their time on you, so allowing them to treat you is just refusing to accept the consequences of driving, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Face it: most of you are spoiled little whitebread brats who want to be able to screw whomever you please without having to pay the consequences</em></p>
<p>So, if you&#8217;re ever in a car accident, you&#8217;re going to refuse attention from the EMTs, right?  Because, after all, you <em>knew</em> when you got in the car that there was a chance you could crash, and there are other people who could die because the EMTs were spending their time on you, so allowing them to treat you is just refusing to accept the consequences of driving, right?</p>
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		<title>By: RCPM</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138281</link>
		<dc:creator>RCPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you thought there was a small chance that a baby was hidden in a box, wouldn’t you treat the box as if it held a baby, just in case? And even if you think there’s just a small chance that an unborn child is a baby, shouldn’t you treat it as if it were, just in case? And even if you think there&#039;s a tiny chance that a baby could grow up to be the tyrannical overlord of the world, shouldn&#039;t you treat it as if it were, you know, just to be safe? Just something to think about. 

Please... give the box to the Army. They&#039;ll take it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you thought there was a small chance that a baby was hidden in a box, wouldn’t you treat the box as if it held a baby, just in case? And even if you think there’s just a small chance that an unborn child is a baby, shouldn’t you treat it as if it were, just in case? And even if you think there&#8217;s a tiny chance that a baby could grow up to be the tyrannical overlord of the world, shouldn&#8217;t you treat it as if it were, you know, just to be safe? Just something to think about. </p>
<p>Please&#8230; give the box to the Army. They&#8217;ll take it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Living Between Two Trees</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138160</link>
		<dc:creator>Living Between Two Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joy from Feministe states: The box sure as hell better hope it doesn’t attach itself to my insides, feed off of my body, make me ill, and put me at risk of serious injury or death. If there’s going to be cardboard packaging wedged in my uterus, I better have decided I want it there, dammit. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joy from Feministe states: The box sure as hell better hope it doesn’t attach itself to my insides, feed off of my body, make me ill, and put me at risk of serious injury or death. If there’s going to be cardboard packaging wedged in my uterus, I better have decided I want it there, dammit. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138149</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Animals can’t be Christian and are, therefore, digestible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speaking of laugh attacks, that one made me fall off my chair.

As for the original question, the real issue is to what extent I&#039;d treat the box like it had a baby in it.  The flaw (well, one of them, anyhow) in the analogy is that most people would define &quot;treat the box like it might have a baby in it&quot; as &quot;don&#039;t squish it.&quot;  Whereas pregnancy requires several months of actively &lt;i&gt;supporting&lt;/i&gt; that &quot;baby,&quot; and that&#039;s just a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; bit more than simply refraining from jumping up and down on a cardboard box.

The thing with pregnancy, however, is that you have to &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; between smashing the box and carrying it around with you for months on end as it gets heavier, and providing life support for the baby that might be inside.  You cannot leave the box alone; the only way to get rid of it is the way that has anti-choicers screaming that you&#039;ve destroyed the baby OMG murderer! because there&#039;s not an option commensurate with what you&#039;d actually do with a box when it might have a baby in it (which is in my case, while not squishing it, generally leaving it alone and going about my own business, leaving it free to be dealt with by whomever has responsibility for it, which would be whoever chose to complete its creation, which is not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Animals can’t be Christian and are, therefore, digestible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of laugh attacks, that one made me fall off my chair.</p>
<p>As for the original question, the real issue is to what extent I&#8217;d treat the box like it had a baby in it.  The flaw (well, one of them, anyhow) in the analogy is that most people would define &#8220;treat the box like it might have a baby in it&#8221; as &#8220;don&#8217;t squish it.&#8221;  Whereas pregnancy requires several months of actively <i>supporting</i> that &#8220;baby,&#8221; and that&#8217;s just a <i>little</i> bit more than simply refraining from jumping up and down on a cardboard box.</p>
<p>The thing with pregnancy, however, is that you have to <i>choose</i> between smashing the box and carrying it around with you for months on end as it gets heavier, and providing life support for the baby that might be inside.  You cannot leave the box alone; the only way to get rid of it is the way that has anti-choicers screaming that you&#8217;ve destroyed the baby OMG murderer! because there&#8217;s not an option commensurate with what you&#8217;d actually do with a box when it might have a baby in it (which is in my case, while not squishing it, generally leaving it alone and going about my own business, leaving it free to be dealt with by whomever has responsibility for it, which would be whoever chose to complete its creation, which is not me.</p>
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		<title>By: bekabot</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138146</link>
		<dc:creator>bekabot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;So even if you think there’s just a small chance that an unborn child is a baby, shouldn’t you treat it as if it were, just in case?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Oh, &lt;em&gt;yeah&lt;/em&gt;.  And maybe if I thought a little dinky toy car had the horsepower a real roadster and could go a hundred miles an hour, I&#039;d jump out of the way every time I saw one, because I&#039;d be scared the little sucker would mow down my feet.  Justifiably, according to this ad.  Because there might be just a &lt;em&gt;small&lt;/em&gt; chance that a toy car could run like a real car...so I&#039;d have to hop out of the way, &lt;em&gt;just in case&lt;/em&gt;.

Morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;So even if you think there’s just a small chance that an unborn child is a baby, shouldn’t you treat it as if it were, just in case?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Oh, <em>yeah</em>.  And maybe if I thought a little dinky toy car had the horsepower a real roadster and could go a hundred miles an hour, I&#8217;d jump out of the way every time I saw one, because I&#8217;d be scared the little sucker would mow down my feet.  Justifiably, according to this ad.  Because there might be just a <em>small</em> chance that a toy car could run like a real car&#8230;so I&#8217;d have to hop out of the way, <em>just in case</em>.</p>
<p>Morons.</p>
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		<title>By: CLD</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138136</link>
		<dc:creator>CLD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of anyone&#039;s opinions on abortion, the whole reason this video ticks us women off is because of the box thing. It&#039;s not that they&#039;re comparing our uterus to a box; they&#039;re comparing our entire body/being to a fucking box. At least our uterus is enclosed in our bodies [it&#039;s a part of it]; the box is just sitting there... no legs, no arms, no head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of anyone&#8217;s opinions on abortion, the whole reason this video ticks us women off is because of the box thing. It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re comparing our uterus to a box; they&#8217;re comparing our entire body/being to a fucking box. At least our uterus is enclosed in our bodies [it's a part of it]; the box is just sitting there&#8230; no legs, no arms, no head.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138112</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I am tempted to make a &lt;em&gt;Life of Brian&lt;/em&gt; joke, I can&#039;t quite make it work.  I would point out that, dehumanizing metaphor aside, this argument makes perfect sense when seen as directed towards those who believe a fetus has a certain % chance of having a soul.  Most folks I have heard talk of such things are fairly certain it either does or does not, but they may be a significant minority that have a firm belief fetuses are 25% likely to have souls.  Hopefully this fetal-ensoulment-agnostic group is not put off by either a woman, uterus, or fetus being compared to a box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I am tempted to make a <em>Life of Brian</em> joke, I can&#8217;t quite make it work.  I would point out that, dehumanizing metaphor aside, this argument makes perfect sense when seen as directed towards those who believe a fetus has a certain % chance of having a soul.  Most folks I have heard talk of such things are fairly certain it either does or does not, but they may be a significant minority that have a firm belief fetuses are 25% likely to have souls.  Hopefully this fetal-ensoulment-agnostic group is not put off by either a woman, uterus, or fetus being compared to a box.</p>
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		<title>By: tzs</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138100</link>
		<dc:creator>tzs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark H: demonstrating that not all gay guys have empathy.  Or class. 

When you get a parasite sucking off you for 9 months that increases your chance of dying, let&#039;s all stand around and laugh at you, ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark H: demonstrating that not all gay guys have empathy.  Or class. </p>
<p>When you get a parasite sucking off you for 9 months that increases your chance of dying, let&#8217;s all stand around and laugh at you, ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Dabney Braggart</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/18/does-this-uterus-make-me-look-boxy/#comment-138097</link>
		<dc:creator>Dabney Braggart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have basically beaten me to this, but I can&#039;t resist:&lt;blockquote&gt;If there&#039;s a small chance that your computer&#039;s attained sentience, shouldn&#039;t you not take the chance that you&#039;re treating a conscious being as a slave?  Ask it before you do anything, and don&#039;t do anything until you get an answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As for no. 40 super:  I&#039;d agree with the last point except for the word &quot;only&quot;.  Casual sex &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; in fact produce heart-break, as can mountain-climbing, attempting to learn Japanese, and Catholicism.  People can also get an awful lot that&#039;s good from any of the above (viz how I met my incomparable wife---and it weren&#039;t on no mountain, language lab, or church, Davey).

Additionally, please note that some of our grand-parents were in favour of Free Love, or at least practised it; also note that material progress consists &lt;em&gt;precisely&lt;/em&gt; of not living with the &quot;natural&quot; consequences of life:  I&#039;m near-sighted, but I can see using lenses; I&#039;ve had pneumonia a couple of times, but I&#039;m not dead.  I don&#039;t grow plants or kill animals, but I haven&#039;t starved.  All of these are Against Nature, and I&#039;m damned glad of it (though I wish I were allowed to grow a _few_ plants, for personal use [and, of course, sale to middle-schoolers]).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have basically beaten me to this, but I can&#8217;t resist:<br />
<blockquote>If there&#8217;s a small chance that your computer&#8217;s attained sentience, shouldn&#8217;t you not take the chance that you&#8217;re treating a conscious being as a slave?  Ask it before you do anything, and don&#8217;t do anything until you get an answer.</p></blockquote>
<p>As for no. 40 super:  I&#8217;d agree with the last point except for the word &#8220;only&#8221;.  Casual sex <em>can</em> in fact produce heart-break, as can mountain-climbing, attempting to learn Japanese, and Catholicism.  People can also get an awful lot that&#8217;s good from any of the above (viz how I met my incomparable wife&#8212;and it weren&#8217;t on no mountain, language lab, or church, Davey).</p>
<p>Additionally, please note that some of our grand-parents were in favour of Free Love, or at least practised it; also note that material progress consists <em>precisely</em> of not living with the &#8220;natural&#8221; consequences of life:  I&#8217;m near-sighted, but I can see using lenses; I&#8217;ve had pneumonia a couple of times, but I&#8217;m not dead.  I don&#8217;t grow plants or kill animals, but I haven&#8217;t starved.  All of these are Against Nature, and I&#8217;m damned glad of it (though I wish I were allowed to grow a _few_ plants, for personal use [and, of course, sale to middle-schoolers]).</p>
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