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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: More On Why Some Games Aren&#8217;t Funny &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-180530</link>
		<dc:creator>More On Why Some Games Aren&#8217;t Funny &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one of the leading woman developers of a major and anticipated game, Assassin&#8217;s Creed, Jade Raymond. Boy Bloggers, gamers and gamer websites everywhere had a field day w/ her, even went as far as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kelkel</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-177721</link>
		<dc:creator>kelkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creed was NOT Jade&#039;s game. She was not the lead developer on this. She had very little to do with it actually. Holly, you keep talking about Cliffy B but he actually worked on the game as the lead dev. Most of the other people mentioned worked on their respective game. Jade did not. She doesn&#039;t even have the status those guys have within the gaming community. At least they have background. Jade worked on fucking Jeopardy before she became a Producer for There.com. Other than many The Sims Online everything is shit that she has been a part of. Yet they have her doing interviews like she is some major person in the industry and a big part of AC. Plus, Ubisoft knew the response they were getting from her promoting the game like that. But instead of asking the blogs and sites to tone down and ask for comments to be taken down they ride it out until it crashes and burns with a comic. If you don&#039;t think Ubi pretty much set this entire thing up then you need to get your eyes checked.

Ubi gets the most blame because they had to see what was happening yet kept pushing it anyway. Jade also had to know what was going and being said. It is their job to watch the internet and everyone knows what the internet is like. They just didn&#039;t give a shit as long as they were getting views and publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creed was NOT Jade&#8217;s game. She was not the lead developer on this. She had very little to do with it actually. Holly, you keep talking about Cliffy B but he actually worked on the game as the lead dev. Most of the other people mentioned worked on their respective game. Jade did not. She doesn&#8217;t even have the status those guys have within the gaming community. At least they have background. Jade worked on fucking Jeopardy before she became a Producer for There.com. Other than many The Sims Online everything is shit that she has been a part of. Yet they have her doing interviews like she is some major person in the industry and a big part of AC. Plus, Ubisoft knew the response they were getting from her promoting the game like that. But instead of asking the blogs and sites to tone down and ask for comments to be taken down they ride it out until it crashes and burns with a comic. If you don&#8217;t think Ubi pretty much set this entire thing up then you need to get your eyes checked.</p>
<p>Ubi gets the most blame because they had to see what was happening yet kept pushing it anyway. Jade also had to know what was going and being said. It is their job to watch the internet and everyone knows what the internet is like. They just didn&#8217;t give a shit as long as they were getting views and publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid People at The Reckless Abandon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-161391</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid People at The Reckless Abandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] principle difficulty that guys who play video games have is that at some point they begin to think that every woman they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Bungie Experience &#171; Half Awake</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-157190</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bungie Experience &#171; Half Awake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I see here haven&#8217;t trickled down into a prominent company like Bungie. Perhaps after the Jade Raymond controversy, this shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise. After getting some press during promotion for Assassins Creed, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: navi</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-145098</link>
		<dc:creator>navi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love the game nerd stereotype that&#039;s perpetrated in the comments even as the post states that&#039;s invalid as well.

game nerds who &#039;get it&#039; on a regular basis from their somewhat conventionally attractive wives still make infantile comments. so the whole &#039;they are disparaging her for being attractive and unattainable&#039; may be true for some, but not all. so its not &#039;spot on.&#039; and really that&#039;s more rationalizing the reaction than it deserves, on top of stereotyping a group of people while at the same time arguing against stereotyping yet another group of people. which well, doesn&#039;t make any sense.

On whether or not she&#039;s being promoted as a producer more than others? I wonder if its a case of the media/online community/promoter actually paying more attention to this producer and effectively promoting her more than they promote others, so maybe its not so much of an Ubisoft decision as it is a media decision. Perhaps you know her because the media has chosen to pay attention to her because of her looks, and not because she&#039;s been promoting herself more than any other producer. even the internet doesn&#039;t provide you with the whole story. While she may post video blogs where most have written blogs, I&#039;m sure there&#039;s other producers out there with video blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the game nerd stereotype that&#8217;s perpetrated in the comments even as the post states that&#8217;s invalid as well.</p>
<p>game nerds who &#8216;get it&#8217; on a regular basis from their somewhat conventionally attractive wives still make infantile comments. so the whole &#8216;they are disparaging her for being attractive and unattainable&#8217; may be true for some, but not all. so its not &#8216;spot on.&#8217; and really that&#8217;s more rationalizing the reaction than it deserves, on top of stereotyping a group of people while at the same time arguing against stereotyping yet another group of people. which well, doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>On whether or not she&#8217;s being promoted as a producer more than others? I wonder if its a case of the media/online community/promoter actually paying more attention to this producer and effectively promoting her more than they promote others, so maybe its not so much of an Ubisoft decision as it is a media decision. Perhaps you know her because the media has chosen to pay attention to her because of her looks, and not because she&#8217;s been promoting herself more than any other producer. even the internet doesn&#8217;t provide you with the whole story. While she may post video blogs where most have written blogs, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s other producers out there with video blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Reporting &#187; Back from Break: January 5, 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-145079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jade Reporting &#187; Back from Break: January 5, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Trouble with Jade [...]</description>
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		<title>By: saltyC</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-144704</link>
		<dc:creator>saltyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Michael  didn&#039;t know that Roberta Williams appeared on the box for a Sierra text adventure game called &quot;Softporn Adventure&quot;, in a hot tub, apparently naked. (She&#039;s armpit-deep in water). But that was a different time, 1980, when women weren&#039;t summariliy punished for showing their faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Michael  didn&#8217;t know that Roberta Williams appeared on the box for a Sierra text adventure game called &#8220;Softporn Adventure&#8221;, in a hot tub, apparently naked. (She&#8217;s armpit-deep in water). But that was a different time, 1980, when women weren&#8217;t summariliy punished for showing their faces.</p>
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		<title>By: Awkward First Posts or Blogging Backgrounds &#171; teh feminists are coming!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-142234</link>
		<dc:creator>Awkward First Posts or Blogging Backgrounds &#171; teh feminists are coming!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And one more random story:  Jade Raymond designed a game, got harassed, then made fun of cause she didn&#8217;t like it.  Read about it at &lt;a href=http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/&gt;feministe&lt;/a&gt;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And one more random story:  Jade Raymond designed a game, got harassed, then made fun of cause she didn&#8217;t like it.  Read about it at &lt;a href=http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/&gt;feministe&lt;/a&gt;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; And this is the part where I stumble in kinda late</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-141457</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; And this is the part where I stumble in kinda late</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that makes little plastic bricks. So I have opinions about a lot of subjects, including of course video games and problems in the video game industry. I&#8217;ll probably write a bit about my own games too&#8211;and more about process and social [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that makes little plastic bricks. So I have opinions about a lot of subjects, including of course video games and problems in the video game industry. I&#8217;ll probably write a bit about my own games too&#8211;and more about process and social [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MTV Multiplayer &#187; Women Working in Games: G4&#8217;s Morgan Webb Talks &#8216;X-Play&#8217; and Being a Pin-Up</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade/#comment-141370</link>
		<dc:creator>MTV Multiplayer &#187; Women Working in Games: G4&#8217;s Morgan Webb Talks &#8216;X-Play&#8217; and Being a Pin-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] extreme and public cases, such as the recent sexualized comic about &#8220;Assassin&#8217;s Creed&#8221; producer Jade Raymond to even subtle instances where [...]</description>
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