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		<title>By: told you so &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>told you so &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] do not walk, over to feministe and read jill’s post about this&#8230;and check out the fucks in comments who just can’t agree [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Amazing Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amazing Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some relevant articles for the non-Australian readers (hi Hexy and Fatadelic!):

Effect of the rapes on the girl and her subsequent therapy &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22921863-3102,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;;

More details about the the &quot;relationship&quot; between the girl and her attackers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22923001-2,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;;

The Crown-Prosecutor&#039;s motivations &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/12/2116380.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;;

Now, I have the Courier Mail in front of me with a big 3-page spread about the case, including the complete sentencing remarks, but I can&#039;t seem to find the articles on the net.
It seems that the judge had previously been very lenient with sex offenders: given probation or suspended sentences, even to those with extensive histories of abuse. So this isn&#039;t an isolated incident.

Hexy, I remember that the girl was in foster care, but was returned to her community after the Department of Child Safety worried that they would face accusations of a second Stolen Generation, what with the disproportionate number of Indigenous kids fostered out. (But I read this in the Herald Sun, so, grain of salt and all. Doesn&#039;t really help that the Herald Sun doesn&#039;t believe in the first Stolen Generation. Comments on their site are ranging from &quot;the PC lefty commie judges let these boys off because they&#039;re Aboriginal&quot; to &quot;the Aboriginal boys were let off because of the lefty commie PC judges&quot;.)


And the sight of a three-inch cockroach just sent me into a jibbering mess. DO NOT WANT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some relevant articles for the non-Australian readers (hi Hexy and Fatadelic!):</p>
<p>Effect of the rapes on the girl and her subsequent therapy <a href="http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22921863-3102,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>;</p>
<p>More details about the the &#8220;relationship&#8221; between the girl and her attackers <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22923001-2,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>;</p>
<p>The Crown-Prosecutor&#8217;s motivations <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/12/2116380.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>;</p>
<p>Now, I have the Courier Mail in front of me with a big 3-page spread about the case, including the complete sentencing remarks, but I can&#8217;t seem to find the articles on the net.<br />
It seems that the judge had previously been very lenient with sex offenders: given probation or suspended sentences, even to those with extensive histories of abuse. So this isn&#8217;t an isolated incident.</p>
<p>Hexy, I remember that the girl was in foster care, but was returned to her community after the Department of Child Safety worried that they would face accusations of a second Stolen Generation, what with the disproportionate number of Indigenous kids fostered out. (But I read this in the Herald Sun, so, grain of salt and all. Doesn&#8217;t really help that the Herald Sun doesn&#8217;t believe in the first Stolen Generation. Comments on their site are ranging from &#8220;the PC lefty commie judges let these boys off because they&#8217;re Aboriginal&#8221; to &#8220;the Aboriginal boys were let off because of the lefty commie PC judges&#8221;.)</p>
<p>And the sight of a three-inch cockroach just sent me into a jibbering mess. DO NOT WANT</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where have the media been, up until Monday?

It is good that this rage has been let loose now.  BUT this sentence was handed down on the 24th of October.  Why  has it taken over 1 1/2 months for this case to hit the air waves.  

If this girl had been non-aboriginal the media would have been all over it, even though the court is in a remote part of Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where have the media been, up until Monday?</p>
<p>It is good that this rage has been let loose now.  BUT this sentence was handed down on the 24th of October.  Why  has it taken over 1 1/2 months for this case to hit the air waves.  </p>
<p>If this girl had been non-aboriginal the media would have been all over it, even though the court is in a remote part of Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: The Issue of Consent : Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Issue of Consent : Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this all over the feminist blogosphere and now it&#039;s on the regular news, too. From Curvature:  As Feministe reports, an Australian judge has failed to imprison 9 males who gang-raped a 10-year-old girl... I hope [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this all over the feminist blogosphere and now it&#8217;s on the regular news, too. From Curvature:  As Feministe reports, an Australian judge has failed to imprison 9 males who gang-raped a 10-year-old girl&#8230; I hope [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CW</title>
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		<dc:creator>CW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a 10 year old child &quot;agrees&quot; to have sex with multiple men, then I would bet my life savings that was not the first time that child had sex.  I&#039;m no psychologist, but it sounds like that girl has had to endure sexual encounters long before that, and that these men were only the first to get caught with her.  Sick.  SICK AND WRONG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a 10 year old child &#8220;agrees&#8221; to have sex with multiple men, then I would bet my life savings that was not the first time that child had sex.  I&#8217;m no psychologist, but it sounds like that girl has had to endure sexual encounters long before that, and that these men were only the first to get caught with her.  Sick.  SICK AND WRONG.</p>
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		<title>By: notanumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>notanumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I thought the Jamie Leigh Jones vs KBR regarding her gang rape was the worst. I find this entry.  Thank you, the more we are aware, the more I hope that we can gain justice and civility.  It is truly disgusting.  

Please support Jamie Leigh Jones!
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19299185190&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19299185190&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I thought the Jamie Leigh Jones vs KBR regarding her gang rape was the worst. I find this entry.  Thank you, the more we are aware, the more I hope that we can gain justice and civility.  It is truly disgusting.  </p>
<p>Please support Jamie Leigh Jones!<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19299185190" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19299185190</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elinor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elinor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s one thing to make that argument for property crimes, drug crimes, and minor assault. But this is rape of a child. In the absence of true rehabilitation programs, the only way to treat sex offenders is to lock them up as long as possible to keep them from offending — for at least as long as they’re in prison.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As I said in the rest of the comment from which you quoted, I agree that this is a serious sexual assault.  Nonetheless, I think &quot;lock &#039;em up and throw away the key&quot; is a pretty problematic way to deal with a 14-year-old.  (The 26-year-old repeat offender is another matter.)  Not to mention that if Australian jails are anything like North American jails, they are brutal and brutalizing places.

Don&#039;t get me wrong; I think this judge&#039;s sentencing decision is absurd and the way she arrived at it is disgustingly sexist and racist.  It&#039;s just that -- particularly with regard to the teenagers -- I actually don&#039;t know what a good sentence would be.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do a quick google on the term “Stolen Generation”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, hexy.  That has a lot of similarities with the residential schooling policies of the Canadian government, and it looks like the effects were similar, too. 

There are a disproportionate number of Aboriginal children taken into foster care in Canada, is my understanding, to the point where social workers on reserves are referred to as &quot;baby stealers.&quot;  I&#039;ve been researching the Tisdale rape case here (three white men sexually assaulted a Saulteaux Cree 12-year-old), and one of the most heartbreaking things about that case, like this case, was that the victim was removed from her family and put into foster care very shortly after the rape, for reasons that make sense on their face, but imagine actually being that child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s one thing to make that argument for property crimes, drug crimes, and minor assault. But this is rape of a child. In the absence of true rehabilitation programs, the only way to treat sex offenders is to lock them up as long as possible to keep them from offending — for at least as long as they’re in prison.</p></blockquote>
<p>As I said in the rest of the comment from which you quoted, I agree that this is a serious sexual assault.  Nonetheless, I think &#8220;lock &#8216;em up and throw away the key&#8221; is a pretty problematic way to deal with a 14-year-old.  (The 26-year-old repeat offender is another matter.)  Not to mention that if Australian jails are anything like North American jails, they are brutal and brutalizing places.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong; I think this judge&#8217;s sentencing decision is absurd and the way she arrived at it is disgustingly sexist and racist.  It&#8217;s just that &#8212; particularly with regard to the teenagers &#8212; I actually don&#8217;t know what a good sentence would be.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do a quick google on the term “Stolen Generation”</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, hexy.  That has a lot of similarities with the residential schooling policies of the Canadian government, and it looks like the effects were similar, too. </p>
<p>There are a disproportionate number of Aboriginal children taken into foster care in Canada, is my understanding, to the point where social workers on reserves are referred to as &#8220;baby stealers.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve been researching the Tisdale rape case here (three white men sexually assaulted a Saulteaux Cree 12-year-old), and one of the most heartbreaking things about that case, like this case, was that the victim was removed from her family and put into foster care very shortly after the rape, for reasons that make sense on their face, but imagine actually being that child.</p>
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		<title>By: 16 Days: &#8220;She Probably Consented&#8221; &#171; So Che Sei Mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>16 Days: &#8220;She Probably Consented&#8221; &#171; So Che Sei Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aboriginal families, the 10-year-old girl is Aboriginal) and there is good discussion of the case in the comments at Feministe. Both links are informative and worth reading. Cara at The Curvature has also posted Judge [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aboriginal families, the 10-year-old girl is Aboriginal) and there is good discussion of the case in the comments at Feministe. Both links are informative and worth reading. Cara at The Curvature has also posted Judge [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The other thing is the disproportionate number of Aboriginal people in jail. I don’t know the numbers for this in Australia, but if it’s anything like Canada, the prospect of sending even more Aboriginal people to jail is pretty troubling for anyone with progressive values.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s one thing to make that argument for property crimes, drug crimes, and minor assault.  But this is rape of a child.  In the absence of true rehabilitation programs, the only way to treat sex offenders is to lock them up as long as possible to keep them from offending -- for at least as long as they&#039;re in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The other thing is the disproportionate number of Aboriginal people in jail. I don’t know the numbers for this in Australia, but if it’s anything like Canada, the prospect of sending even more Aboriginal people to jail is pretty troubling for anyone with progressive values.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to make that argument for property crimes, drug crimes, and minor assault.  But this is rape of a child.  In the absence of true rehabilitation programs, the only way to treat sex offenders is to lock them up as long as possible to keep them from offending &#8212; for at least as long as they&#8217;re in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s true that the local outcry has been immense and that steps are being taken to review and overhaul the obviously flawed system, I&#039;m really stoked to see a lot of the US blogs I read covering this story.Too often Indigenous Australia is invisible in the international media.

Farhat:

&lt;em&gt;If her homeland and home are the way they are I’d say this is the best thing that could happen to her. I can’t imagine the terror she might feel being around people who have gangraped her walking around freely.&lt;/em&gt;


I&#039;m going to presume you don&#039;t know much about Indigenous Australian history. Do a quick google on the term &quot;Stolen Generation&quot;... it might clue you in as to why the removal of a young black girl from her family and homeland &quot;for her own good&quot; is such a problematic issue, as well as the century of institutionalised rape and child abuse that leads to people dismissing charges like that now when the victim is Indigenous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s true that the local outcry has been immense and that steps are being taken to review and overhaul the obviously flawed system, I&#8217;m really stoked to see a lot of the US blogs I read covering this story.Too often Indigenous Australia is invisible in the international media.</p>
<p>Farhat:</p>
<p><em>If her homeland and home are the way they are I’d say this is the best thing that could happen to her. I can’t imagine the terror she might feel being around people who have gangraped her walking around freely.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to presume you don&#8217;t know much about Indigenous Australian history. Do a quick google on the term &#8220;Stolen Generation&#8221;&#8230; it might clue you in as to why the removal of a young black girl from her family and homeland &#8220;for her own good&#8221; is such a problematic issue, as well as the century of institutionalised rape and child abuse that leads to people dismissing charges like that now when the victim is Indigenous.</p>
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