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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/12/12/introducing-my-newest-heroine/#comment-142332</link>
		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That poor kid.  She lost an eye.  That was the horrifying part of it for me.  She&#039;s going to have a harder life than she might have otherwise, speaking as someone who&#039;s visibly disabled.

FWIW, I&#039;m under 35, and I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; terrified to go into Detroit.  OTOH, I&#039;m Canadian, and there is no other city I&#039;ve ever visited that calls to mind the phrase &quot;urban wasteland&quot; quite the way Detroit does.  The people responsible are white (by and large, aside from a few outliers), incidentally, since white people  set up the Byzantine tax structure that makes it easy and desireable to abandon houses that won&#039;t sell; white people left in droves because of racism and eviscerated the tax base, and white people killed off some of Detroit&#039;s most vibrant neighbourhoods by building highways right through the &lt;i&gt;middle&lt;/i&gt; of them.  (They also killed off the good public transit system that Detroit had sixty or seventy years ago, and good public transit is nothing if not a great social leveller.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That poor kid.  She lost an eye.  That was the horrifying part of it for me.  She&#8217;s going to have a harder life than she might have otherwise, speaking as someone who&#8217;s visibly disabled.</p>
<p>FWIW, I&#8217;m under 35, and I&#8217;m <i>still</i> terrified to go into Detroit.  OTOH, I&#8217;m Canadian, and there is no other city I&#8217;ve ever visited that calls to mind the phrase &#8220;urban wasteland&#8221; quite the way Detroit does.  The people responsible are white (by and large, aside from a few outliers), incidentally, since white people  set up the Byzantine tax structure that makes it easy and desireable to abandon houses that won&#8217;t sell; white people left in droves because of racism and eviscerated the tax base, and white people killed off some of Detroit&#8217;s most vibrant neighbourhoods by building highways right through the <i>middle</i> of them.  (They also killed off the good public transit system that Detroit had sixty or seventy years ago, and good public transit is nothing if not a great social leveller.)</p>
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		<title>By: JenLovesPonies</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/12/12/introducing-my-newest-heroine/#comment-142324</link>
		<dc:creator>JenLovesPonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What EG and mythago said.  

The reason I said the story squicked me out is because 
1. A six year old cannot weigh the benefits and consquences of taking bullets for her mother.  Her actions don&#039;t seem heroic when she is too damn young to even understand what she was taking on.  I feel like heroism implies a certain amount of self-knowledge, and sacrifice all the more-so.
2. There has to be more to the story along the lines of mythago&#039;s point about how this girl has probably been taking proverbial bullets for Mom for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What EG and mythago said.  </p>
<p>The reason I said the story squicked me out is because<br />
1. A six year old cannot weigh the benefits and consquences of taking bullets for her mother.  Her actions don&#8217;t seem heroic when she is too damn young to even understand what she was taking on.  I feel like heroism implies a certain amount of self-knowledge, and sacrifice all the more-so.<br />
2. There has to be more to the story along the lines of mythago&#8217;s point about how this girl has probably been taking proverbial bullets for Mom for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/12/12/introducing-my-newest-heroine/#comment-142317</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, EG. I don&#039;t know, obviously, that this is actually what is going on, and I don&#039;t want to sound like I&#039;m blaming the mother for the attacker&#039;s actions, but I had the same reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, EG. I don&#8217;t know, obviously, that this is actually what is going on, and I don&#8217;t want to sound like I&#8217;m blaming the mother for the attacker&#8217;s actions, but I had the same reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or unless you’ve been in the role of helping your mother rather than the other way around for a very long time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mythago, you just put your finger on exactly why this story leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  It&#039;s pushed certain buttons for me; women I know and love (OK, cards on the table, my mother) grew up with an emotionally abusive mother who neglected her and indeed, everything else.  She had to take on a parental role at a very young age.  My best friend&#039;s mother was incapacitated with illness from the time my friend was 8--by the time she was 10 she was running the household.  From what I&#039;ve read, this is not an uncommon pattern for neglected children.  So what I flash on when I hear this story is the pattern of the parentified child, the child who has had to take on adult, protective roles long, long before she should have, the child who&#039;s had her childhood taken away from her.  Given the abusive asshole boyfriend, I bet this is not the first time the kid has protected her mother at her own expense.  And to me, that&#039;s just not the way the parent-child relationship should work.  

Again, I&#039;m not saying that anybody else has to agree.  I just spent a lot of time today thinking (and talking to my mother) about why I have such a strong reaction of revulsion to this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or unless you’ve been in the role of helping your mother rather than the other way around for a very long time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mythago, you just put your finger on exactly why this story leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  It&#8217;s pushed certain buttons for me; women I know and love (OK, cards on the table, my mother) grew up with an emotionally abusive mother who neglected her and indeed, everything else.  She had to take on a parental role at a very young age.  My best friend&#8217;s mother was incapacitated with illness from the time my friend was 8&#8211;by the time she was 10 she was running the household.  From what I&#8217;ve read, this is not an uncommon pattern for neglected children.  So what I flash on when I hear this story is the pattern of the parentified child, the child who has had to take on adult, protective roles long, long before she should have, the child who&#8217;s had her childhood taken away from her.  Given the abusive asshole boyfriend, I bet this is not the first time the kid has protected her mother at her own expense.  And to me, that&#8217;s just not the way the parent-child relationship should work.  </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not saying that anybody else has to agree.  I just spent a lot of time today thinking (and talking to my mother) about why I have such a strong reaction of revulsion to this story.</p>
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		<title>By: SOHH Over It! &#187; Holy Harpo on a Hot Plate!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/12/12/introducing-my-newest-heroine/#comment-142285</link>
		<dc:creator>SOHH Over It! &#187; Holy Harpo on a Hot Plate!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you ain&#8217;t heard about THIS shit&#8230; there may be a reason.  A 7-year-old-girl is being hailed as an “angel from heaven” and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/12/12/introducing-my-newest-heroine/#comment-142277</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You don’t love your mother this much unless you have a pretty damn strong sense of self. &lt;/i&gt;

Or unless you&#039;ve been in the role of helping your mother rather than the other way around for a very long time.

juliagulia, I hope I didn&#039;t come across as Detroit-bashing. I&#039;d probably be living there if it didn&#039;t mean putting up with the rest of the frickin&#039; state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You don’t love your mother this much unless you have a pretty damn strong sense of self. </i></p>
<p>Or unless you&#8217;ve been in the role of helping your mother rather than the other way around for a very long time.</p>
<p>juliagulia, I hope I didn&#8217;t come across as Detroit-bashing. I&#8217;d probably be living there if it didn&#8217;t mean putting up with the rest of the frickin&#8217; state.</p>
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		<title>By: kactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the more I think about this though, even though you and I disagree, EG, I would willingly walk through fire for my children.  Why is it different because the roles are switched?  Love is love, and selflessness is too rare.

And it doesn&#039;t matter if you would do it, or my children would do it for me.  I know I would have that measure of love and that&#039;s all that matters.  

This sounds very sentimental, I&#039;m sure.  Well, it is sentimental, and I&#039;m not going to temper that sentiment with cynicism, or question what that child did for the mother she loves.  Good for her that she will go her life knowing she has that strength and that capacity.  I wish we all had more of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the more I think about this though, even though you and I disagree, EG, I would willingly walk through fire for my children.  Why is it different because the roles are switched?  Love is love, and selflessness is too rare.</p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t matter if you would do it, or my children would do it for me.  I know I would have that measure of love and that&#8217;s all that matters.  </p>
<p>This sounds very sentimental, I&#8217;m sure.  Well, it is sentimental, and I&#8217;m not going to temper that sentiment with cynicism, or question what that child did for the mother she loves.  Good for her that she will go her life knowing she has that strength and that capacity.  I wish we all had more of it.</p>
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		<title>By: kactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, EG.  We&#039;ll have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, EG.  We&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the squick factor is exactly that she acted without thought for herself.  She&#039;s so young--and already she&#039;s decided that her life is worth less than somebody else&#039;s.  I&#039;m not saying that everybody else has to stop praising her.  I&#039;m saying that I don&#039;t like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the squick factor is exactly that she acted without thought for herself.  She&#8217;s so young&#8211;and already she&#8217;s decided that her life is worth less than somebody else&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m not saying that everybody else has to stop praising her.  I&#8217;m saying that I don&#8217;t like that.</p>
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		<title>By: kactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not seeing the &quot;squick&quot; factor here, unless we&#039;re squicked by the danger that women and children are put in by violent men with guns and by a society that increasingly uses violence to express anger and settle disputes.

Am I suggesting that all children be ready to take a bullet for their parents?  Of course not.  But Alexis acted without thought for herself, she showed true heroism, and she deserves to be praised for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not seeing the &#8220;squick&#8221; factor here, unless we&#8217;re squicked by the danger that women and children are put in by violent men with guns and by a society that increasingly uses violence to express anger and settle disputes.</p>
<p>Am I suggesting that all children be ready to take a bullet for their parents?  Of course not.  But Alexis acted without thought for herself, she showed true heroism, and she deserves to be praised for that.</p>
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