Wow, look at you

First off, thanks to everybody for their concern about my Wayward Eldest Daughter issue. I kind of feel bad about plastering her mug all over internet, but she and the Skeptical Youngest are rather used to it by now. Kat knows I show off her picture to show how sweet she looks, so that you all can be doubly shocked by how very BAD she can be.

In answer to one of the questions in comments about bi-polar–actually she has been diagnosed. She just won’t stay in any one place long enough to follow through with either talk treatment or meds. That’s one of those things where she has a compliance problem.

On to other things–World of Warcraft is kicking my ass right now, y’all. I’m about to descend into mild geekiness, so if your eyes glaze over at the mention of games, you can skip this part. And if you’re a level 70 paladin with a zillion gold pieces and a hippogryph mount, bear with me here a minute.

I am a level 12 night elf. I am so low-level that killing crabs sometimes backfires on me. So I’m stuck in this ravine, dead, with bloodfeather harpies surrounding me, and every time I resurrect my body they attack me and kill me again, before I can use my hearthstone or teleport or even shadowmeld. And the spirit healer won’t talk to me.

Please, tell me it’s going to eventually make more sense. Please tell me that when I’m running around with a level 20 or more I’ll look back fondly on the days when death came sometimes every 5 minutes. Otherwise I’m gonna hurl this freaking laptop at the wall.

And with that, a link to a great post by Daisy about a subject dear to my heart: Where are all the old woman bloggers?

After turning 50 in September, I became somewhat obsessed with the age of bloggers. I discovered I could find a lot of male bloggers in the 50-and-older category. But where are the women?

I know, there are a few. And I am not talking about Arianna Huffington, who is 57 and a billionaire (and therefore looks 25), but about us ordinary bloggers, such as Raven, Jackie, Risa, JJ, Marion, Maitri and Shadocat. I try to find them and link them on my blog… they are like precious jewels.

I have wondered if the hyperventilating over WOMEN’S AGE might be the cause of this phenomenon; we might call it The Botox Effect. We cover up the “lines” in our writing, as we try to cover the lines in our face. We minimize that which makes us seem old. If there is something new we don’t understand, such as contemporary slang, we don’t dare ask for clarification and thereby give ourselves away. Perhaps, then, there are more of us than I realize? Many women pointedly do not provide their ages on their blogs, while men usually do; a silly, sexist and archaic cultural habit.

At times when I write about nostalgia, as I enjoy doing, I get replies from isolated people (who will not comment publicly, it is worth noting) thanking me for publicly remembering something that they agree needs recounting. But they say it in hushed, secretive emails, as if I have said something dirty out loud. THE PAST IS OLD, and therefore, not a good thing. NEW is good, new is revolutionary, new is a product that has been improved, reformulated, with all kinds of good shit added to it to make it a rockem-sockem, highly-evolved and BETTER thing… better car, better house, better suburb, better dishwashing liquid.

crossposted at superbabymama

48 comments for “Wow, look at you

  1. Kat
    January 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    I’ve been out of the blogging scene for a while now, but one of my favorite bloggers/diarists/etc. of a certain age is Marn over at diaryland.

  2. January 2, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I have been spending my maternity leave playing WoW. Yes, I can breastfeed and kill harpies at the same time! I just got to level 60 yesterday. If you’re on Firetree I’ll send you free 14-slot bags and a little gold to help you along.

    The spirit healer won’t talk to you? That’s just odd. That makes no sense. Most people do find it gets more fun around level 20 or so, but the game isn’t for everyone.

  3. Andreva
    January 2, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    If the spirit healer won’t talk to you at the graveyard, petition a GM-that’s a bug. You can do that in the help menu.

    Also, there’s a range at which you can rez, so you can try finding the edge of the range that’s the furthest away from harpies and rez there. Even if you die again, if you keep doing that eventually you’ll be able to rez out of harpy range. This is what’s lovingly called a “corpse run.”

  4. Mireille
    January 2, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Stick with WOW. It WILL get better. The lower levels are kind of a trudge sometimes, but once you’re able to get on the battlegrounds, get a mount, join raids, etc… It gets much more fun. Of course, I pity you for being Alliance. The Horde totally rocks the house! I have a lvl 53 Undead Warlock. And warlocks are a TOTAL trudge at lower levels, getting beat up by lower level gnome warriors… Ugh. Now i kick-a-da-bootie.

  5. Foxfire
    January 2, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Sometimes if you don’t get close enough to the spirit healer it won’t let you rez. But I understand how you feel, the game is a bit intimidating at first. But it will get better. One thing that might help is joining a guild. I fell off a really steep cliff and died, and while trying to get to my body got stuck. I mean REALLY stuck. Luckily one of my guildmates rezed me in a spot where I could get out of. It is nice to have your buddies. And keep up the good work for the Alliance! (BTW if you are on Stormscale give Aleandra a shout out!)

  6. January 2, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    that harpie are sucks! i think i quit playing my NE for a brief period…usually if you ask for help in the general chat there is someone out there kind enough to come help you through the tough spots…i never would have gotten my bear form at level 10 if i hadn’t had help…that said…i het het het playing alone, and usually only lvl w/ my boyfriend…strange bonding rituals and all that…

    take a step back if it helps…if you aren’t having fun what’s the point? good luck to ya, and game on! dr. confused is right…if you can make it to 20, 20-40 was the best time i have ever had…

  7. C.
    January 2, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Are you playing a druid? Druids are terrible at low levels.

  8. Corncob
    January 2, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Regarding WoW, just wait until you’re able to do instances…then the loot starts to hit, and, with a good team, you realize, “Oh! So that’s how my character can kick ass!”

    In the meantime, just try to avoid the clusters of monsters. Look for holes in their patrol patterns, and pull the isolated ones to you. Takes longer, but leads to fewer deaths.

  9. MathInLA
    January 2, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    On WOW– it matters, as others have said, what class you are. Each one gets traction at different levels– Rogues and Warriors, for example, take a long while (20 or 30), unless you’re careful (be a Draenei, keep up with First Aid, keep a good supply of potions, etc.). Some classes– like Priests, especially– have problems soloing until they get a solid “build”. has a lot of good suggestions for that in their guides section.

    The other problem is that, unfortunately, you’ve chosen the worst starting zone in the game. I started as a Night Elf Druid and now– 2 70s, 1 69, and a new one to 60 recently– I haven’t gotten that poor boy above 52. And while a lot of it was that when I started, going Feral was suicidal, a lot of it was just how long it took to get out of that damn starting zone sets. I would never recommend Teldrassil or Auberdine to ANYONE.

    But take heart. Most classes get reasonably tough and competent around L20. Hunters do as soon as they get pets at L10, but the others fill in here and there.

    Going from memory about night elf classes:
    Warriors are going to have trouble until about L30, and always unless you get good with First Aid and keep a good supply of potions. One good trick is to use the sequence of “Stop autoattack, trigger Intimidating Shout (fear), bandage the heck out of myself”.

    Rogues have a lot of trouble until about 20 or so, when you start really filling out your special abilities (sap’s wonderful, poisons are a huge boost, vanish at 22 gives you an “OH CRUD!” button, etc.) Again, like warriors, First Aid and potions are incredibly important.

    Priests are problematic. There are a number of damage dealing specs; the oldest and (in my opinion, the best) is the Shadow Priest focus, but there are also discipline and holy-based talent builds that can keep you fighting. The problem is that Priests are the ultimate group-helps (even their damage specs!) so they’re not very good for soloing unless you’re careful how you build your talents and your gear right. Wowwiki is your friend there, again.

    Druids are … sigh. An old favorite, but sloooooow. Ferals are nifty and all, but it takes a while to take off. Balance druids are, frankly, still zapped for gear, and resto’s more of a group build (though it has some useful talents for soloing). I love them to death, but the biggest thing I had to learn to get Wakaru even to 52 was “be patient”. I’m still not good at it. :P

    Hunters– your pet, from L10, is your friend. I have never seen a class more overall suited to soloing than a hunter. Still, it is possible to have problems there– trying to be a melee hunter without a high-level alt to feed you the right weapons & armor, leaving growl off, etc. I can’t comment too much here; my highest level hunter is like 32, and even that took forever. I just don’t get along with them for some reason.

    My fiancee, who’s played a hunter into the 60s and is much more adept at them than I, has asked me to add this: She notes that hunters are simple to solo from the time you get your pet. Target, hunter’s mark, send in your pet. A threat meter addon can be a big help in learning how to pace your damage to keep up with the pet’s growl. KLH or Omen are the big two and both work fine for soloing. (Omen is slightly better for large fights with multiple mobs.) One of the little things to make sure of is that you have an actual ammo pouch or quiver, because the class is balanced around the idea of having the attack haste that all of them give; the basic ones can be bought from vendors; the more complex ones have to be made by leatherworkers.

  10. Former WoW Addict
    January 3, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Are you playing a druid? Druids are terrible at low levels.

    But dear lord are they fun at 70. Once you get mangle, OH BABY.

  11. Mary Kay
    January 3, 2008 at 12:51 am

    kactus — I’m 55 and I used to blog but haven’t for a couple of years now. I do have an LJ. When I realized I was getting the same number of hit whether I posted or not it seemed kinda pointless… So I read everyone else and comment occasionally.


  12. Loosely Twisted
    January 3, 2008 at 1:18 am

    I play wow on Bloodhoof server, you can look me up on Traileen, lvl 57 warlock.

    I actually have a full 10 toons I play, I have 2 70’s, a 58, 57, 52, 51, and 45, and 36.

    I have played all the classes and I have deleted my share of combinations. The one that really got me to delete was a NE Priest, long time ago. I was in Auberdine doing the usual and I got smashed and went to the grave yard. No biggie right? Oh well, yeah, the mobs came to the grave yard and basically camped me over and over again. I died 12 times and couldn’t leave the grave yard. Pissed me off so bad I logged out and deleted her. Never made another combination like that again.

    My first toon to 60, (and now 70) was my Tauren Hunter. Horde has it hard they are the underdogs, but do they have awesome racial abilities, especially Tauren. War Stomp kicks all kinds of ass. It took me about a month after first release to get her to 60. I have gone through the entire fiasco of nerf’s here and there. But she is a nice toon to farm with. I found it quite borring after a while and created a warlock on the alliance side. I got her to 60, and (now 70) and ooh baby she just kicks all kinds of ass. /nod

    Then I decided to have a warlock on horde side when TBC came out. She is up to 57 and leveling fairly quickly. I leveled my NE Hunter to 58 last night and she rocks too. We are having issues lately with GCD, (global cooldown for those unfamiliar) and it’s really played havoc with my rogue and warrior. Which I don’t think I will be playing much unless they fix the way they do the GCD.

    Anyway, if you got questions or anything. Just ask away, plenty of us here to answer any or to come over and help you out on your server. I am pretty suave at getting newbies gear even on a server that’s new. I also play on 5 other servers with my kids and 2 pvp servers. I get bored easy can you tell?



  13. January 3, 2008 at 1:43 am

    oh yeah…once i was lost and fell off of teldrassil…and my corpse was stuck…it was awful…

    once i switched to my blood elf warlock i fell in love all over again…and if you want to play easy mode, shaman is the way to go…my dranei shaman was the most fun i have had no sucking life and mana outta other toons…but honestly…the horde is just more fun…if you wander over to coilfang and join horde, come join the guild…guilds make i more fun…

    hang in there…i mean we aren’t all biding time until warhammer…

  14. January 3, 2008 at 2:39 am

    We “old women” bloggers are looking for our place- thanks for giving us voice

  15. January 3, 2008 at 3:04 am

    BTW – there is a great book called “the Queen of Myself” by Donna Henes that gives a great argument for adding “Queen” between “mother” and “crone” for those of us who know there is a whole life not to be ignored in between the two.

  16. Rosehiptea
    January 3, 2008 at 3:31 am

    I’m only 40 (not the way I usually phrase that on the internet…) and all I have is a LiveJournal for my fanfiction and other completely silly activities, plus some friendslocked angst.) Most people I know are younger because I’m heavily into anime and gaming fandoms. (Nothing online at this point, so I’m no help there.)

    But what I’m getting at is that I think there is some truth to the idea that women hide their ages even on the internet. I’m usually very open with mine, but I get to where I think people might wonder why I watch Avatar: the Last Airbender or assume I have no idea what they are talking about because I’m too old to “get it.”

    Or I worry that people will think the next thing I say will be “In my day we weren’t spoiled like you kids!” which is actually not the type of thing I say ever.

  17. Katherine
    January 3, 2008 at 4:42 am

    Everyone goes through at least one (or two… or more) “god, why can’t I stop dying” moments in WoW. It sucks, but teaches you a lot about the tactics of your character. That said, the spirit healer not talking to you sounds buggy and it might be worth sending a ticket to a GM. Also, as someone else said, try a corpse run – steadily ressing yourself further and further away from the mobs until you are out of range of them.

  18. louise
    January 3, 2008 at 8:00 am

    I’m afraid to get started on WoW; was a AD&D fanatic back in the 1980’s. Combine that with online gaming… I’d be lost forever. Damn, it sounds like so much FUN!!!

    Bipolar SUCKS. My sister hid so much of her life that I don’t know if she was ever clinically diagnosed, but after she “came back” after a decade away, things were so odd with her (the chemical dependency didn’t help, either). Did some research and found a support/informational site for NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) that in retrospect saved my sanity. Have no doubt there are many similar sites for BPD support…

  19. louise
    January 3, 2008 at 8:07 am

    And regarding the age issue… I know what you mean. I am 42- thought when I started to read blogs that I’d find bunches of folks older than that. But most of the “older” crowd seem to be within a decade! It’s a bit odd, when many of my email pals are in their 60’s and 70’s… don’t know if it’s that folks are concerned about revealing their age or that “over 50” just don’t participate. A shame; I’d love to hear their voices on many of the issues Feministe and other blogs cover every day and think their insight would be invaluable.

  20. Kelly
    January 3, 2008 at 10:03 am

    I think it’s awesome that you are playing WoW, blogging, and being a great mother. So many duties–who’s old?? BAH!
    I go with the bug-to-GM idea. Or, try rezzing as far as possible from your corpse, then RUNNING. Just be glad you don’t play EverQuest, which just sounds like a nightmare to me.
    There is also the thought that (shudder) you could abandon that character since it is low and make another one! Play on a server mentioned from one of the helpfuls above, make some online friends, and group up. I play entirely for the social aspect, rarely doing more than 5-mans, and have made some lifetime friends doing it.
    Good luck!

  21. Vail
    January 3, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I gave up on WoW. I just didn’t feel like farming for rep. at level 70 (though the druid bird form is cool). I also don’t want to spend all my time farming/pvping for armor etc. I’m playing Dungeons and Dragons online right now and it’s very fun. Super easy to get a group, voice chat through the game, and you know going in how long a dungeon is (not counting people going afk etc). The level cap is 14 right now, so you’re not grinding 70 levels to get to the end game stuff. Armor and items are pretty easy to get, either through drops or buying off the AH (most stuff isn’t bind on pick up). There are also no boob windows or slut thongs on the female toons so when you put on armor it covers everything! Anyway it’s fun and boy I love the traps!

  22. Shinobi
    January 3, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I think the first WoW toon is always the hardest. Definetly talk to a GM about your spirit healer problem (or maybe it will work again when you log back in? That happens to me all the time.)

    I really find that pet classes like Hunters and Warlocks are the most fun to play because you don’t die as much (you have a pet to hold all the aggro off you while you KILLL KILL KILL). So if you are just so frustrated with your lvl 14, maybe start a new class. (Levelling will go much faster once you have done it already.)

  23. deoridhe
    January 3, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    The best way to level a Priest is to find Pick Up Groups (PUGs) and run instances. Either that, or pair off with people. My Blood elf priest is in her thirties, and most of that is from repeated Scarlet Monestary runs.

    Druids are hela fun, but harpies are ALWAYS a pain. I usually wait until Harpy quests are green before taking them on, just because most harpies patrol and they’re placed so close together.

  24. Michael
    January 3, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Don’t be afraid to state your age, sing it out! I’m 53 and I like hearing voices in blogistan from folks around my age. I get uncomfortable thinking that one’s age should be a thing of shame for anyone of any gender.

    As for WoW, page a GM if you can’t talk to the spirit healer, and moving closer to it doesn’t work. That is a bug. I started playing that game to stay connected with my sons, and now I have two 70’s hordeside. It does get more fun as you reach higher levels :)

  25. walkingundine
    January 3, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Stick with it! The spirit healer issue is definitely a bug. I’d petition, if I were you. Two things that make the journey to 70 easier and more lucrative: QuestHelper and Auctioneer. Questhelper keeps track of where your quests are and what level they are, and shows on your map which ones are most efficient at any given time. It also tracks your progress in group chat, so your party knows how many more bits of quest loot / kills you need. Auctioneer doesn’t really do anything you couldn’t do with a ream of paper and a calculator; it scans the auctionhouse and tracks the way items’ prices change over time, suggesting prices for stuff you’re trying to sell. The cloth that drops off humanoids will make you bank if you know how to price it.
    Good hunting!

  26. FemiFist
    January 3, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Any of you WOW players on Peranolde or Aggramar? I love that I came to check posts on one of my favorite feminist blogs and found an entire thread about WOW!

  27. plunky
    January 3, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    I’ve played WoW since release. Here is what I do when I go to a new server:

    1> Roll myself a noob and park him by the auction house in Org for Horde or SW for Alliance. You will never develop this character, he’s purely for selling stuff.

    2> Roll a character to actually play. Give that character mining and skinning.

    3> Happily level up, gathering ore and leather as I go. Every time my bags are full, I dump anything that can be sold on the auction house to the mule from #1 in ingame mail. This includes cloth as mentioned above by someone else. Also green quality items.

    4> After a few days of selling copper bars, you will have a few gold. Use this to buy 14 slot bags on the Auction House. (Runecloth bags or Journeyman something or other)

    5> Next buy yourself some decent quality green items on the AH. For a druid, you want leather items that have Str, Agil, Stamina.

    Have fun, it’s a great game! Druid gets a lot easier at 20 when you get cat form. My wife has a 70 druid and loves it. Very versatile, useful class.

  28. Medicine Man
    January 3, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    What class are you playing Kactus? If you are indeed playing a night elf druid, your “dying every 5 minutes”-days will be behind you at some point. Although slow going at first, druids eventually become one of the most resilient classes at later levels, able to endure or elude just about any attack. Night Elf cat form is just about the cutest thing in the game too. ^.^

    Concerning harpies: Corpse running, as Andreva points out, is probably your best bet at rescuing your character from this trap. In general, you’ll want to be very careful around foes that are aggressive, social, and cowardly, like harpies and murlocs. They will attack you, call in their nearby friends, and run to fetch help when they are wounded — very annoying.

    A good way of dealing with such foes is to work on your “pulling” tactics. Rather than fighting your target near its patrol route, zap it with a ranged attack and then run to a nearby area that has less traffic. This reduces the chances of another hostile foe “adding” into the fight and also makes the harpy have to run further to get help — giving you ample time to wingclip, hamstring, or root.

    Another advantage of pulling is it gives you some flexibility on deciding whether to fight or not. If you tag a critter and you see 2-3 of his friends coming with him, you can just continue running rather than stopping to fight. Also if you are overwhelmed you will most likely fall away from the enemy camp, allowing you to recover easier.

    Another part of the game mechanics that is not immediately obvious: if you are fighting foes that are a few levels higher than you, they will attack (“aggro”) and assist each other (“add”) from further away. In addition to being easier to beat up, equal or lower level mobs are generally much easier to pull solo.

  29. Medicine Man
    January 3, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Now that I think of it — if you are having trouble finding more quests at your level to do, make sure to visit the 10-20 zones for the other alliance races: Loch Modan, Westfall, and the draenai areas. Doing a lot of the alliance quests will build your faction ratings with your allies and prepare you well for later challenges, such as the Wetlands and Ashenvale.

  30. January 3, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    thanks for all your WoW advice everybody–even though I didn’t understand some of it, that’ll eventually come.

    When I say it’s kicking my ass I don’t mean I’m hating it! The opposite! But damn, there are some hard parts.

    I got the issue with the spirit healer figured out–my daughter showed me I wasn’t going in close enough to her. We’ve also found out we work well together–she’s a level 10 dranai and I’m a level 12 night elf. When we go on strikes I draw the target and fight it, and she stands back and heals me. Works like a charm.

    Oh, and that guy we were running after making choo-choo train noises at the other day? He’s now a level 8 human warrior, last time I ran into him, and I’m still a level 4 human. So karma strikes again.

  31. JFM
    January 3, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Seconding all the WoW advice! You’ve actually hit on my favorite solution: find someone else to level with. And I say this as a total geek who’s leveled multiples 70s, including on PvP servers (Mains right now: human mage and undead priest). If you get the hang of leveling it goes much faster solo, but it’s a heck of a lot more fun if you have a friend (daughter, boyfriend, internet pal, whatever!) to play with. Otherwise the leveling can get tedious. :(

    One more tip that I haven’t seen above: it is MUCH easier to kill things that are a level or two lower than you, and you get almost as much experience for doing it. Especially as a newer player, make it easier on yourself by not tackling anything too high. And don’t be shy about posting questions up here! I think we’re all happy to have a chance to help a fellow gamer.

  32. Vail
    January 3, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    I think it’s great so many people are mmorpg players. I started with Dark Age of Camelot and moved on to L2, FF, Shadowbane, City of Heroes, WoW, DDO and when Warhammer comes out, our guild will be heading over there. I just wish that more games covered the female toons like Dungeons and Dragons and Dark Age. I do miss Final Fantasy a bit, what with having a moogle in my house and being able to grow stuff (made it interesting to check in and see what your plant had made for ya). I also liked the fishing in that game… when you took a boat ride you could go fishing and get a chance to fish up a monster which you then fought. Made it a bit more exciting. I don’t miss Barren’s chat in WoW though. Sheesh.

  33. January 3, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    You’ll be up to l20 before you know it.

  34. NoMeds
    January 3, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    In answer to one of the questions in comments about bi-polar–actually she has been diagnosed. She just won’t stay in any one place long enough to follow through with either talk treatment or meds. That’s one of those things where she has a compliance problem.

    Just a word of warning: in teenagers mental illness cannot be officially diagnosed. Their brains are still forming and aren’t finished developing. Any doctor who ‘diagnosed’ your child is a doctor who is not following the standard protocols.

    Also, in teens, antidepressants and other psychotic meds can result in increased suicidal tenancies. It’s in the advertisements and in countless settled lawsuits against antidepressants (hence the ads disclaimers for teens and children).

    Besides, I know. I was put on meds as a teen and I tried to kill myself. I’m lucky I stopped taking those pills.

    That term “noncompliant” is a term doctors use to describe people who make decisions on their own. It’s rather derogatory and I’m surprised you’d use that about your own daughter.

    What is with you and meds? Why do you keep acting like they’re God’s gift to the mentally ill? They’re not. And acting like people who refuse medication are idiots or crazy does no one any good.

  35. January 3, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    I’m an old woman blogger! 50 in April. And I’m so happy that she calls us old women instead of that dreadful “middle-aged”.

  36. Sailorman
    January 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Vail says:
    January 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am – Edit

    I gave up on WoW. I just didn’t feel like farming for rep. at level 70 (though the druid bird form is cool). I also don’t want to spend all my time farming/pvping for armor etc. I’m playing Dungeons and Dragons online right now and it’s very fun.

    I probably shouldn’t ask this, for sake of my business. but… where? I loved D&D back when, and I don’t have the computer capability for WOW.

  37. Arianna
    January 3, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Oh god, it’s like two worlds collide here. I finally quit WoW in September after having played since Beta (Horde, Mannoroth) and having multiple level 60s (pre BC) and a lvl 70 warlock.

    So very, very glad to be away from it, but I’ve been sucked back into Ragnarok Online, a game I’ve been struggling with my addiction to for about 5 years…

  38. January 3, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    NoMeds: my daughter is an adult. She’s in her 20s. She has been diagnosed as an adult. I think I know quite a bit about where/when she has compliance issues, and following through with any kind of treatment, whether it’s mental health or physical health, is one of the things she doesn’t do, which is a problem.

    As for the rest of your comment, that was just hostile. If this is still left-over anger from a couple of previous threads, perhaps you should step back a bit and wonder what your own issues are.

  39. January 3, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Besides, I know. I was put on meds as a teen and I tried to kill myself. I’m lucky I stopped taking those pills.

    that’s right. that makes you the expert. the issue of meds has more to do w/ the individual person, working individually w/ their doctor, on a case by case basis. some people do really well on meds. some don’t. some go back and forth, depending on what is going on in their life. the best success is closely monitored and in conjunction w/ couseling, too. so back the fuck off. if it isn’t your situation, you don’t fucking know.

  40. Vail
    January 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    I probably shouldn’t ask this, for sake of my business. but… where? I loved D&D back when, and I don’t have the computer capability for WOW

    You can buy the software or download it from the Dungeons and Dragons Online website. I’ve seen the software in stores for about 12 bucks (DDO is an older game). I think you might have a bit of trouble with it if you can’t play WoW. They have a 10 free trial version you can download though which might give you an idea if your computer can handle it.

    On the other hand, I hear that Dungeons and Dragons (4.0) the table top game is going to offer a way to get online to unite table top players all over. So it’ll be like a table top game but you’ll be playing with people who aren’t in the room, but you’ll have a real GM run you through the dungeons they come up with.

  41. January 4, 2008 at 2:24 am

    What is with you and meds? Why do you keep acting like they’re God’s gift to the mentally ill? They’re not. And acting like people who refuse medication are idiots or crazy does no one any good.

    Acting like people who do take meds are idiots isn’t helping your cause much, either. It sucks that they didn’t work for you, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us are pretending that they worked for us.

    If you were allergic to milk, would you announce that milk is clearly bad and evil and no one should ever drink it again because your allergy proves that it’s bad?

  42. Rosehiptea
    January 4, 2008 at 3:32 am

    And acting like people who refuse medication are idiots or crazy does no one any good.

    I’ve never seen anyone do that here, ever.

    I’ve been off my meds for months. It was probably a bad decision, but I’m still here at this point. But the last thing I’d tell anybody is that they should do the same thing I did because I’m still here. And I certainly wouldn’t argue with a mother’s right to her legitimate worries about her daughter.

  43. Mary Kay
    January 4, 2008 at 4:38 am

    NoMeds: And I know a teen-age who was helped immeasurably by anti-depression meds. So my anecdote cancels your antidote.


  44. Shelley
    January 4, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Good advice from Plunky!!

    I’m very familiar with that harpy area of Teldrassil. Ugh, I hate those things. But, especially with your Draenai-playing daughter, she will appreciate the Darnassus reputation when it’s time for her mount. Exalted means she can get a cat from the Night Elves.
    I’m Repping my Draenai hunter right now, and I SWEAR I should have just made a night elf hunter, but I love that Gift of Naaru and it has saved my cookies more than once in a tight spot.

    If you want to be on a good RP server, try Thorium Brotherhood, and let me know – I’ll get you started. Myrraj, Pennyante, or Willowbark.

  45. Medicine Man
    January 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    I don’t miss Barren’s chat in WoW though. Sheesh.

    Yes, what is it with Barren’s chat anyhow? How did this one zone become the dumping ground for all the mouth breathing fools playing the game? (and apparently on many servers, not just mine) Every time I go through that zone, the young geniuses are sharing their “wisdom”. Yack.

  46. January 4, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    I try to ignore all the players who might be 13 year old boys–not that I have anything against 13 year old boys, but they do have that adolescence compensation thing going on. I avoid everybody who wants to duel me as soon as they see me.

    I like playing during schooldays, because I figure most of the other players are adults like me. It’s not so crowded or testoserony.

  47. Bethany
    January 5, 2008 at 11:23 am

    I have a lvl 70 Balance Druid. Up to about lvl 20 I had the same issues. I got lucky though and found an awesome guild and they helped me through the rough spots. Lvl 20-50 rocked for the most part, but getting to 60 sucked. (Mind you, this was before BC). Lvl 60 to 70 was really decent for me. The best advice I can give for a druid starting out is Prowl is your best friend. Scope out the area before attacking. Gives you a really good idea of what to expect.

  48. January 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Oh, god, I still have my first WoW character, but I only log into her when I have a really bad day on one of my later (and more successful) characters.

    She’s a night elf rogue, and doing the quests in Teldrassil and Auberdine became an exercise of smashing my head into a wall. Even after I took her over to the Western Kingdoms and started running quests in the human and dwarven areas, I still had trouble. I blame it on not knowing the game very well at the time, as all my subsequent characters have leveled fairly quickly and painlessly.

    For the druid, life gets better when you pick up cat form. You can kill most stuff fast enough it won’t really hurt you much.

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