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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: BAC</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/04/raucus-out-with-your-caucus-out/#comment-145114</link>
		<dc:creator>BAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m supporting Hillary, because I grew up during a time when girls couldn&#039;t play sports, when help wanted ads in the classified section were listed as &quot;male&quot; and &quot;female&quot; (and guess which side offered the most opportunity and highest salary).  Abortion was illegal, which meant that some of my friends had to drive from Indiana to NYC in order to have a one.  And it was a time when women earned something like 65 cents on the dollar.   

We have never passed an Equal Rights Amendment, which means that women do not have full equality in this country.  Until we place more women in leadership, I don&#039;t think it will happen.  We will continue to be second-class citizens ... even though women have consistently voted in greater numbers than men over the past few elections.

The men running on the Democratic side are fine people ... but they are not women.  As Gov. Jennifer Granholm once said: &quot;Young girls cannot be, what they cannot see.&quot;   

I want to see a woman in the White House in my lifetime, and I think Hillary Clinton is qualified to be that person.

BAC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m supporting Hillary, because I grew up during a time when girls couldn&#8217;t play sports, when help wanted ads in the classified section were listed as &#8220;male&#8221; and &#8220;female&#8221; (and guess which side offered the most opportunity and highest salary).  Abortion was illegal, which meant that some of my friends had to drive from Indiana to NYC in order to have a one.  And it was a time when women earned something like 65 cents on the dollar.   </p>
<p>We have never passed an Equal Rights Amendment, which means that women do not have full equality in this country.  Until we place more women in leadership, I don&#8217;t think it will happen.  We will continue to be second-class citizens &#8230; even though women have consistently voted in greater numbers than men over the past few elections.</p>
<p>The men running on the Democratic side are fine people &#8230; but they are not women.  As Gov. Jennifer Granholm once said: &#8220;Young girls cannot be, what they cannot see.&#8221;   </p>
<p>I want to see a woman in the White House in my lifetime, and I think Hillary Clinton is qualified to be that person.</p>
<p>BAC</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an Edwards supporter for years, and actually really liked Hillary Clinton until she became so conservative/moderate. But i&#039;ve changed to Obama because i believe he is the most likely to achieve the most important thing we have to do in this country: Stop the Hate. 
To those who say &quot;who cares about the Republicans, fuck them!&quot; I say they matter, even if they lose the election. People like Tancredo and Lou Dobbs have whipped up anti-immigrant anti-Hispanic fervor all over America. Even if it costs them the election, the hate they&#039;ve created in people&#039;s hearts will remain. (as will the hatred of gays and Muslims that have been so furiously fanned in recent years.) So we need someone who can speak to these Americans and try to change their hearts and minds. 
Of course the virulent racists &amp; misogynists won&#039;t change, but plenty of otherwise sane people have bought into this hateful BS, and they can be reached. Things are too messed up to just win the election, we need to stop the hate. 

so for me, Obama is the best Dem. And while most of their positions disgust me, i think even McCain and Huckabee would be a change from the usual GOP hate-mongering. They may have typical 13th century right-wing  attitudes about some issues and people dear to our heart, but they&#039;re not crusading on it as so many other reThugs do, like Guiliani and Romney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an Edwards supporter for years, and actually really liked Hillary Clinton until she became so conservative/moderate. But i&#8217;ve changed to Obama because i believe he is the most likely to achieve the most important thing we have to do in this country: Stop the Hate.<br />
To those who say &#8220;who cares about the Republicans, fuck them!&#8221; I say they matter, even if they lose the election. People like Tancredo and Lou Dobbs have whipped up anti-immigrant anti-Hispanic fervor all over America. Even if it costs them the election, the hate they&#8217;ve created in people&#8217;s hearts will remain. (as will the hatred of gays and Muslims that have been so furiously fanned in recent years.) So we need someone who can speak to these Americans and try to change their hearts and minds.<br />
Of course the virulent racists &amp; misogynists won&#8217;t change, but plenty of otherwise sane people have bought into this hateful BS, and they can be reached. Things are too messed up to just win the election, we need to stop the hate. </p>
<p>so for me, Obama is the best Dem. And while most of their positions disgust me, i think even McCain and Huckabee would be a change from the usual GOP hate-mongering. They may have typical 13th century right-wing  attitudes about some issues and people dear to our heart, but they&#8217;re not crusading on it as so many other reThugs do, like Guiliani and Romney.</p>
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		<title>By: drakyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>drakyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping Obama or Edwards wins (or both with one as the vice prez).
And if Obama is vice president, he can run again and then have 4-8 years of experience in the White House--since quite a few people I know don&#039;t think he has enough experience right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping Obama or Edwards wins (or both with one as the vice prez).<br />
And if Obama is vice president, he can run again and then have 4-8 years of experience in the White House&#8211;since quite a few people I know don&#8217;t think he has enough experience right now.</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
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		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s dispose of these candidates quickly:
Romney– Too Mormon. Do you want any one who is religiously related to the Osmond family as Your President? Don’t think so.

Thompson: He’s no Ronald Reagan– as an actor OR as a President. Second tier as either. No energy; no philosophy; not much time left on this earth to make a difference any way.

McCain– anyone who could come out with his Campaign Finance Bill (with that fool, Russ Feingold) acts like he was brain washed in VietNam by the North Vietnamese or the Communist Chinese. The man is Anti-American, plain and simple. Avoid like the plague.

Paul— Would leave most social policy decisions to the States. Would probably have supported the South during the Civil War (not necessarily with regards to slavery, but with regards to State’s Rights as opposed to the overbearing Federal Government we have today). With him as President, there would be 50 United States, not the monolithic “United States” we’ve had since Abraham Lincoln– and this is a GOOD THING! He might not be as bad for women as you might think, BTW….

Obama– Will never win, because he has Moslem ties and his name sounds too much like “Osama’. And is far too naive to recognize this, which is why he should NOT be elected President in 2008…. If he ever had enough guts to change his name and his attitude about Big Government, maybe….

Clinton– Never liked Bill, detest Hillary. The least she could have done is DIVORCE THE SOB when the Monica Lewinsky affair came out (or have him castrated or forced to wear a male ‘chastity belt’ so that his d**k wouldn’t go where it’s not supposed to)…. They are a clear example of what is wrong with America in the 21st Century.

Richardson– too much of a ‘Friend of Bill’ to be any much different than Hillary. I’m still trying to figure out how New Mexico elected him their Governor…. Despite his size, he seems like a political ‘lightweight’ who couldn’t handle the job of P O T U S….

Edwards– anyone who would run with Al Gore can’t be any good. Another naive fool. Reminds me of John Lindsay, who was Mayor of NYC in the late 1960s. All he had was looks– Lindsay’s plans were naive and foolish, and led to the Fiscal Crisis of 1975 when NYC faced bankruptcy (and should have been allowed to go literally bankrupt). And this comes from a New Yorker, BTW. Edwards is this generation’s Lindsay— avoid at once!

Huckabee– Probably my second choice (although he maybe a bit soft on certain issues, like crime and punishment, for my taste).

If I’ve missed anyone in this list, I’m sorry– but they’re probably irrelevant and heaven forbid any of them become President (never mind most of these jokes mentioned above, who are masquerading as Presdiental hopefuls, ACTUALLY becoming President)….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Romney - Empty suit who didn&#039;t really do much as governor when I was living in Massachusetts and did a lot to promote under/unqualified people to head state agencies/departments due to political considerations.

Thompson - His political campaign reminds me of Bush Senior&#039;s in 1992.....not doing enough and the campaign seems almost non-existent.  Seems like his status as politician and actor has not served him well.

McCain - The only GOP candidate I can actually respect to some extent...though he caved too much to Bush and the religious right.  

Paul - Wants to return us to the world of Upton Sinclair&#039;s &quot;The Jungle&quot; by advocating eliminating government agencies critical to public welfare such as the FDA, invasive of civil liberties by opposing abortion rights, accepts endorsements/money from White Supremicists, and has now been publicly exposed as a racist.

Huckabee - Folksy populist-sounding religious nut who could do much to aid those who advocate teaching creationism alongside or even in lieu of evolution setting US education/science/technology back at least a century and further making the US a laughing stock on the international stage.  Hurrah for Dark Ages Part Deux...

Kucinich - Excessive idealist who has problems explaining how he plans to convert those ideals into concrete public policies....and implement them effectively.  He could, however, be more effective in the House/Senate as a gadfly to force whoever is President and the Washington political establishment to give some airtime to ideals/potential policies deemed &quot;too radical&quot;.  

Richardson - One critical player in the mishandling of the Wen Ho Lee case and the Los Alamos fiasco...should not be considered for the oval office.    

Obama - Charismatic and has good ideas....but betrays lack of savvy by a series of missteps...including allowing an anti-GBLT singer to &quot;tour&quot; with him.  If  he stops trying to pander to those who aren&#039;t likely to vote for a candidate with his political profile, he can be considered with some reservations.  

Edwards - Overly charismatic to the point of being too slick and showmanlike....though he has made many good points....and someone to be considered.    

Clinton - Made a serious mistake by voting for the Patriot Act.....though her intelligence, good work as New York Senator along with Schumer, and her unflappable character in the campaign makes her someone worthy of serious consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s dispose of these candidates quickly:<br />
Romney– Too Mormon. Do you want any one who is religiously related to the Osmond family as Your President? Don’t think so.</p>
<p>Thompson: He’s no Ronald Reagan– as an actor OR as a President. Second tier as either. No energy; no philosophy; not much time left on this earth to make a difference any way.</p>
<p>McCain– anyone who could come out with his Campaign Finance Bill (with that fool, Russ Feingold) acts like he was brain washed in VietNam by the North Vietnamese or the Communist Chinese. The man is Anti-American, plain and simple. Avoid like the plague.</p>
<p>Paul— Would leave most social policy decisions to the States. Would probably have supported the South during the Civil War (not necessarily with regards to slavery, but with regards to State’s Rights as opposed to the overbearing Federal Government we have today). With him as President, there would be 50 United States, not the monolithic “United States” we’ve had since Abraham Lincoln– and this is a GOOD THING! He might not be as bad for women as you might think, BTW….</p>
<p>Obama– Will never win, because he has Moslem ties and his name sounds too much like “Osama’. And is far too naive to recognize this, which is why he should NOT be elected President in 2008…. If he ever had enough guts to change his name and his attitude about Big Government, maybe….</p>
<p>Clinton– Never liked Bill, detest Hillary. The least she could have done is DIVORCE THE SOB when the Monica Lewinsky affair came out (or have him castrated or forced to wear a male ‘chastity belt’ so that his d**k wouldn’t go where it’s not supposed to)…. They are a clear example of what is wrong with America in the 21st Century.</p>
<p>Richardson– too much of a ‘Friend of Bill’ to be any much different than Hillary. I’m still trying to figure out how New Mexico elected him their Governor…. Despite his size, he seems like a political ‘lightweight’ who couldn’t handle the job of P O T U S….</p>
<p>Edwards– anyone who would run with Al Gore can’t be any good. Another naive fool. Reminds me of John Lindsay, who was Mayor of NYC in the late 1960s. All he had was looks– Lindsay’s plans were naive and foolish, and led to the Fiscal Crisis of 1975 when NYC faced bankruptcy (and should have been allowed to go literally bankrupt). And this comes from a New Yorker, BTW. Edwards is this generation’s Lindsay— avoid at once!</p>
<p>Huckabee– Probably my second choice (although he maybe a bit soft on certain issues, like crime and punishment, for my taste).</p>
<p>If I’ve missed anyone in this list, I’m sorry– but they’re probably irrelevant and heaven forbid any of them become President (never mind most of these jokes mentioned above, who are masquerading as Presdiental hopefuls, ACTUALLY becoming President)….</p></blockquote>
<p>Romney &#8211; Empty suit who didn&#8217;t really do much as governor when I was living in Massachusetts and did a lot to promote under/unqualified people to head state agencies/departments due to political considerations.</p>
<p>Thompson &#8211; His political campaign reminds me of Bush Senior&#8217;s in 1992&#8230;..not doing enough and the campaign seems almost non-existent.  Seems like his status as politician and actor has not served him well.</p>
<p>McCain &#8211; The only GOP candidate I can actually respect to some extent&#8230;though he caved too much to Bush and the religious right.  </p>
<p>Paul &#8211; Wants to return us to the world of Upton Sinclair&#8217;s &#8220;The Jungle&#8221; by advocating eliminating government agencies critical to public welfare such as the FDA, invasive of civil liberties by opposing abortion rights, accepts endorsements/money from White Supremicists, and has now been publicly exposed as a racist.</p>
<p>Huckabee &#8211; Folksy populist-sounding religious nut who could do much to aid those who advocate teaching creationism alongside or even in lieu of evolution setting US education/science/technology back at least a century and further making the US a laughing stock on the international stage.  Hurrah for Dark Ages Part Deux&#8230;</p>
<p>Kucinich &#8211; Excessive idealist who has problems explaining how he plans to convert those ideals into concrete public policies&#8230;.and implement them effectively.  He could, however, be more effective in the House/Senate as a gadfly to force whoever is President and the Washington political establishment to give some airtime to ideals/potential policies deemed &#8220;too radical&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Richardson &#8211; One critical player in the mishandling of the Wen Ho Lee case and the Los Alamos fiasco&#8230;should not be considered for the oval office.    </p>
<p>Obama &#8211; Charismatic and has good ideas&#8230;.but betrays lack of savvy by a series of missteps&#8230;including allowing an anti-GBLT singer to &#8220;tour&#8221; with him.  If  he stops trying to pander to those who aren&#8217;t likely to vote for a candidate with his political profile, he can be considered with some reservations.  </p>
<p>Edwards &#8211; Overly charismatic to the point of being too slick and showmanlike&#8230;.though he has made many good points&#8230;.and someone to be considered.    </p>
<p>Clinton &#8211; Made a serious mistake by voting for the Patriot Act&#8230;..though her intelligence, good work as New York Senator along with Schumer, and her unflappable character in the campaign makes her someone worthy of serious consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia(freya)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia(freya)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt your missing anything, &lt;strong&gt;meggygurl&lt;/strong&gt;, none of the top three are perfect on the liberal/feminist/religious freedom/economic issues that are important to me. And I don&#039;t begrudge anyone their Obama like. I&#039;ve just weighed out as much as I could and rank them Edwards, Obama, Clinton. But it&#039;s a very close call. YMMV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt your missing anything, <strong>meggygurl</strong>, none of the top three are perfect on the liberal/feminist/religious freedom/economic issues that are important to me. And I don&#8217;t begrudge anyone their Obama like. I&#8217;ve just weighed out as much as I could and rank them Edwards, Obama, Clinton. But it&#8217;s a very close call. YMMV</p>
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		<title>By: Iowa Caucus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iowa Caucus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ostrova</title>
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		<dc:creator>ostrova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn,

Points for snark, but c&#039;mon, have you not heard that Ron Paul is a full-on racist? He&#039;s said black men in DC are 85%-95% jailbirds, for one thing. And since Al Gore is almost as green as Kermit the Frog, considering that he&#039;s a former VP and Nobelist and not a bearded hippie-type, he is the environmental hero for the Capitol Hill types and he deserves props.

I still say John Edwards is the farthest to the left, which is OK by me in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,</p>
<p>Points for snark, but c&#8217;mon, have you not heard that Ron Paul is a full-on racist? He&#8217;s said black men in DC are 85%-95% jailbirds, for one thing. And since Al Gore is almost as green as Kermit the Frog, considering that he&#8217;s a former VP and Nobelist and not a bearded hippie-type, he is the environmental hero for the Capitol Hill types and he deserves props.</p>
<p>I still say John Edwards is the farthest to the left, which is OK by me in America.</p>
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		<title>By: meggygurl</title>
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		<dc:creator>meggygurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been supporting Obama since I saw his speech in the 2004 DNC. I was all &quot;THAT MAN NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT!!!&quot; Then, a few months ago he came to Atlanta, and I got to see him in person. I was in love. I&#039;m full Obama, all the way.

Though, I also have a bit of that feminist guilt over not supporting Hillary. But.. well, I don&#039;t agree with her! And I think it&#039;s pointless to be all hard core feminist if I support someone JUST cause she&#039;s a woman.

If she wins the Primary, I will support her, cause all the Republicans scare the shit out of me. But I&#039;m really excited about Obama.

I don&#039;t get the Edwards love, personally. I feel like I&#039;m missing something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been supporting Obama since I saw his speech in the 2004 DNC. I was all &#8220;THAT MAN NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT!!!&#8221; Then, a few months ago he came to Atlanta, and I got to see him in person. I was in love. I&#8217;m full Obama, all the way.</p>
<p>Though, I also have a bit of that feminist guilt over not supporting Hillary. But.. well, I don&#8217;t agree with her! And I think it&#8217;s pointless to be all hard core feminist if I support someone JUST cause she&#8217;s a woman.</p>
<p>If she wins the Primary, I will support her, cause all the Republicans scare the shit out of me. But I&#8217;m really excited about Obama.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the Edwards love, personally. I feel like I&#8217;m missing something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Medicine Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medicine Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, and I second the notion that Guiliani is a scary SOB. He&#039;s been described in various places as a &quot;small man in search of a balcony&quot; which I think is very apt. I imagine he&#039;s drooling at the prospect of inheriting Bush&#039;s unfettered executive branch. Imagine all that power in the hands of a man with a demonstrated history of being a grasping authoritarian. What a lovely thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and I second the notion that Guiliani is a scary SOB. He&#8217;s been described in various places as a &#8220;small man in search of a balcony&#8221; which I think is very apt. I imagine he&#8217;s drooling at the prospect of inheriting Bush&#8217;s unfettered executive branch. Imagine all that power in the hands of a man with a demonstrated history of being a grasping authoritarian. What a lovely thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Medicine Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medicine Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely hope Obama gets the Democratic nod. He has about as much experience as Bill had when he made a run at the presidency, so I&#039;m not worried on that account, and he represents a clean break from the vitriol of the last 10 years of partisan warfare in DC.

On the Republican side, I think McCain would be the best nominee; he has some principles at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely hope Obama gets the Democratic nod. He has about as much experience as Bill had when he made a run at the presidency, so I&#8217;m not worried on that account, and he represents a clean break from the vitriol of the last 10 years of partisan warfare in DC.</p>
<p>On the Republican side, I think McCain would be the best nominee; he has some principles at least.</p>
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