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    jayinchicago 1.4.2008 at 5:11 am |

    Perhaps of tangential interest, I took a survey emailed to me by the Stonewall Democrats (the Stonewall Census 2007, for some reason)–the first two non-demographs questions related to the importance of transgender inclusion on ENDA.

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    hyrax 1.4.2008 at 5:36 am |

    I know someone who makes a case for both gay AND trans rights as part of a larger ‘not performing gender the way the larger culture expects’ issue, ie, as part of sex/gender discrimination. Not sure how far that could fly in reality though.

    I once had a big dramatic ‘in the shower with a trans woman’ incident where I noted the person next to me was MUCH taller than me and built in a ‘male’ way (though with ‘female’ parts). I squinted at her closely without my glasses to comment on what I was curious about, which was “Hey, is that a Blue’s Clue’s towel??”, and we both laughed. So I guess I’m fine with ‘enforced’ showers, as long as we all get cool towels ;0

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    foibey 1.4.2008 at 6:05 am |

    I’m a trans woman who (without bottom surgery) has ended up being stuck with little other option (besides not washing) in single sex female designated showers. And honestly, I wouldn’t mind being certain in situations like that that I wouldn’t be arrested for something ridiculous like Breach of Peace. As it was I ended up taking showers at 4am whilst I was staying at this place in the hope of avoiding shit kicking off.

    And frankly, I don’t see why people should have the right to freak out at particular people’s bodies in big communal-type showers. It’d be nice if I could have the perhaps more assured safety of locked off shower cubicles without general nude spaces, or gender neutral shower facilities. But failing that, I don’t see why (besides the fact that I’ve got fuck all power) cisgendered people of my gender who are likely to freak out at my body shape can’t piss off and have their showers at 4am.

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    Daomadan 1.4.2008 at 10:22 am |

    I love this post. You express many of my reservations about the HRC and lobbyists in general.

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    jfpbookworm 1.4.2008 at 10:42 am |

    Admittedly, I’m an outsider, but the only possible offensiveness I can see is the potential misreading of “professional gay men” as something along the lines of “men who are gay for a living” – i.e., sex workers, or perhaps folks like Dan Savage.

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    eastsidekate 1.4.2008 at 10:57 am |

    Holly,
    I don’t have much to say– you pretty much covered everything. Awesome post!

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    harlemjd 1.4.2008 at 1:38 pm |

    yeah for SRLP shout-outs!!

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    Christine Simone 1.4.2008 at 1:46 pm |

    Naff should be so offended. Especially since he is part of the gay patriarchy that was all for excluding trans people from ENDA and wrote editorials supporting the exclusion. Guess who is part of the problem Naff, its not NTCE, its you, Frank and HRC.

    I wrote about the gay patriarchy issue awhile back.

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    Hector B. 1.4.2008 at 3:13 pm |

    Rich gay white meatpacking heir James Hormel supported including Ts in Enda, so neglecting T rights is not endemic (ha, punny) to RGWMs.

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    Christine Simone 1.4.2008 at 3:29 pm |

    I am not saying its endemic, in fact outside of the HRC, LGBT paper editorial bubble its not.

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    Christine Simone 1.4.2008 at 3:41 pm |

    Generally speaking I think the “Rich White Gay Males” May not be the best term. I prefer Gay Patriarchy largely because it strikes at the heart of the issue. Gay men who act in the same oppressive and dismissive fashion as patriarchal straight men, including views on women, be they trans or lesbian. Having a me first attitude even when these gender conforming gay men are the least likely to face explicit discrimination. I could also go on about the misogynistic attitudes.

    While there are rich gay white males who are misogynistic and patriarchs, not all rich gay white males are this way. Thats why Gay Patriarchy may be a significantly more accurate term, since they take on patriarchal attitudes and behaviors.

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    Sarah in Chicago 1.4.2008 at 5:19 pm |

    For a long time I had an HRC sticker on the door of my office at school, though I had reservations, I supported them because they had clout … and after all, I definitely am their demographic, being white, from an upper-middle-class background, a professional, and a cisgendered lesbian of conventional femme presentation. Denying that I’m not would just be hypocritical of me.

    However, when HRC came out in favour of kicking my trans friends to the curb in regards to ENDA, I drew the line. The sticker came down, I wrote a piece on my blog and another blog expressing my anger over the decision, and I sent a similarly worded letter to HRC, explaining they would get no more money from me ever again. And given that I live in the most queer neighbourhood in Chicago, I’ve also had the occasion to say such to people soliciting for donations for HRC by my fav neighbourhood cafe.

    Anyway, this is lieu of saying that this was an excellent article, and I do think we really need to keep speaking about it, should we let the heat off and have HRC think they can just get away with things.

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    Nia 1.4.2008 at 6:25 pm |

    Just wanted to say that this post was awesome (and really informational.) Keep doing what you’re doing. Please.

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    louise 1.4.2008 at 6:26 pm |

    Agreed; excellent post. I just can’t understand why Barney Frank didn’t see how disingenuous his stance was or the ironies involved in supporting ENDA.

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    MauraHennessey 1.21.2008 at 3:12 pm |

    Trans issues are not the only ones getting derailed by the leadership, though they are certainly a major issue. Lesbian Health issues are lost in the shuffle with only lip service paid to them. Where is a push for a Lesbian Women’s Health Outreach? Or for education to the medical community about us. Our two major killers as far as cancer are both curable is caught in the early statges yet they ravage us. Where si a push for gardasil availability for younger Lesbians? For Mamkographies or Pap Smears?

    And trans shealth initiatives–well, they are non-existent.

    Meanwhile, the gay press excoriated NYC for considering the outlawing of the remaining bathhouses.

    It certainly looks to me like the work of an entitles gay male patriarchy.

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    Suzzane Lachlan 1.29.2008 at 2:17 am |

    “And frankly, I don’t see why people should have the right to freak out at particular people’s bodies in big communal-type showers.”

    I don’t think that males show be allowed in women’s rooms.

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    Lisa Harney 2.7.2008 at 6:17 am |

    I’d be tempted to argue for the exclusion of bigots from women’s rooms, but that would be crass and unfair.

    I do think trans women should use women’s rooms because using a men’s room is a) fucking dangerous and b) would out any of us who did it, making it doubly dangerous.

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