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	<title>Comments on: Clinton takes New Hampshire; MoDo gets out the knife</title>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mnemosyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a fascinating tidbit that TPM found out:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/01/dowds.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MoDo was not in New Hampshire&lt;/a&gt; and did not attend the party she wrote about.  Her assistant apparently went, got the quotes, and then MoDo wrote the column from there.

As Spencer Ackerman rightly notes, isn&#039;t this the kind of shit that Rick Bragg got fired for doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fascinating tidbit that TPM found out:  <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/01/dowds.php" rel="nofollow">MoDo was not in New Hampshire</a> and did not attend the party she wrote about.  Her assistant apparently went, got the quotes, and then MoDo wrote the column from there.</p>
<p>As Spencer Ackerman rightly notes, isn&#8217;t this the kind of shit that Rick Bragg got fired for doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Laiven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO HILLARY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO HILLARY!</p>
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		<title>By: EAHK</title>
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		<dc:creator>EAHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am absolutely sick of the media in general. I&#039;m tired of people using my money to air their sordid opinions which are more frequently becoming a matter of witty repartee than actual news coverage. It&#039;s gotten so blatantly obvious that the people who REALLY run this nation sit in front of a television screen (or behind a computer screen at the New York Times) and spread massive lies that would rival the lies told by any politician. You know it&#039;s bad when people want Hillary to win just to stick it to the media. As for the misogyny... I&#039;m beginning to think it true, that &quot;women are their own worst enemy&quot;... thank you MoDo for reinforcing the cliche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am absolutely sick of the media in general. I&#8217;m tired of people using my money to air their sordid opinions which are more frequently becoming a matter of witty repartee than actual news coverage. It&#8217;s gotten so blatantly obvious that the people who REALLY run this nation sit in front of a television screen (or behind a computer screen at the New York Times) and spread massive lies that would rival the lies told by any politician. You know it&#8217;s bad when people want Hillary to win just to stick it to the media. As for the misogyny&#8230; I&#8217;m beginning to think it true, that &#8220;women are their own worst enemy&#8221;&#8230; thank you MoDo for reinforcing the cliche.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every MoDo column gives new meaning to the phrase &quot;toxic waste dump.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every MoDo column gives new meaning to the phrase &#8220;toxic waste dump.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ailurophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ailurophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moron Dowd strikes again! I always think of her as the female equivalent of the Nice Guy(tm) - a whiner with a chip on her shoulder and an outsized sense of entitlement.

At any rate, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some of the Hillary votes are from people sick to death of Tweety, Moron, and other media misogynists.

The only thing is that if Hillary wins the nomination, I hope - HOPE - that it doesn&#039;t turn too many people over to the Repigs. I believe most people are sick to death of Bush and his merry minions of Satan by now and don&#039;t want another Rethugministration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moron Dowd strikes again! I always think of her as the female equivalent of the Nice Guy(tm) &#8211; a whiner with a chip on her shoulder and an outsized sense of entitlement.</p>
<p>At any rate, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some of the Hillary votes are from people sick to death of Tweety, Moron, and other media misogynists.</p>
<p>The only thing is that if Hillary wins the nomination, I hope &#8211; HOPE &#8211; that it doesn&#8217;t turn too many people over to the Repigs. I believe most people are sick to death of Bush and his merry minions of Satan by now and don&#8217;t want another Rethugministration.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger McKnight-Chavers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger McKnight-Chavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed.  zuzu raised some good points as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed.  zuzu raised some good points as well.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger, I completely see your anger with and disappointment in Clinton.  I just wish that Maureen Dowd would actually make such substantive comments and critiques instead of pandering to sexists by rabbiting on about Hillary fearing frizzy hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger, I completely see your anger with and disappointment in Clinton.  I just wish that Maureen Dowd would actually make such substantive comments and critiques instead of pandering to sexists by rabbiting on about Hillary fearing frizzy hair.</p>
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		<title>By: D.N. Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.N. Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, Jesse Jackson Jr.! You just made the dumbest non-Jonah-Goldberg-related argument in the world!

&lt;blockquote&gt;...there were tears that melted the Granite State. And those are tears that Mrs. Clinton cried on that day, clearly moved voters. She somehow connected with those voters.

But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, this is racist pandering on an astonishing level. For shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats, Jesse Jackson Jr.! You just made the dumbest non-Jonah-Goldberg-related argument in the world!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;there were tears that melted the Granite State. And those are tears that Mrs. Clinton cried on that day, clearly moved voters. She somehow connected with those voters.</p>
<p>But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, this is racist pandering on an astonishing level. For shame.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hilary suggesting that MLK’s talk meant nothing until LBJ saved the day&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s the full quote, with the Obama statement she was responding to and some commentary from Josh Marshall (&lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063023.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from TPM&lt;/a&gt;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s the Obama quote he reads ...

&quot;False Hopes. Dr King standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial looking out over the magnificent crowd, the reflecting pool, the Washington Monument, sorry guys, false hopes, the dream will die, it can&#039;t be done, false hope, we don&#039;t need leaders who tell us what we can&#039;t do, we need leaders to tell us what we can do and inspire us.&quot;

He then asks if she would respond and she says ...

&quot;I would, and I would point to the fact that that Dr. King&#039;s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in peoples lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.&quot;

It&#039;s an ambiguous statement. But her reference is to different presidents -- Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, one of whom inspired but did relatively little legislatively and Johnson who did a lot legislatively, though he was rather less than inspiring. Quite apart from the merits of Obama and Clinton, it&#039;s not a bad point about Kennedy and LBJ.

Now I know in writing this I&#039;m going to get tons of emails saying I&#039;m defending an indefensible statement, making excuses for her, etc. I&#039;m not. It&#039;s poorly worded, and easy to misunderstand. And it will be misunderstood. Her &#039;false hopes&#039; line from the debate was one of the worst of the campaign. And you can read her realization of the dream point as putting a lot of focus on legislation and sort of discounting activism. But when I look at the actual words in this statement it just doesn&#039;t match up with the line that&#039;s circulating -- that she was saying Obama&#039;s King and she&#039;s LBJ.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think he&#039;s got a point there, when the full exchange is considered.  King and the Civil Rights Movement pushed and pushed, but ultimately needed to get Congress to pass the legislation.  Kennedy talked big, but didn&#039;t even try to get civil rights legislation passed.  LBJ was the one who did the arm-twisting and got the votes together.  Neither JFK nor LBJ would likely have done anything without King&#039;s pushing, but LBJ was the one who went beyond talk and got it done.  

It&#039;s a damn bad quote, though.  I see that she&#039;s trying to say that Obama may be inspiring as an orator, but she&#039;s the one who gets things done, but her message is muddled and it comes across (particularly in the truncated quote that was going around, and that was posted on the Politico) as if she&#039;s denigrating King&#039;s work and elevating LBJ&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hilary suggesting that MLK’s talk meant nothing until LBJ saved the day</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the full quote, with the Obama statement she was responding to and some commentary from Josh Marshall (<a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063023.php" rel="nofollow">from TPM</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s the Obama quote he reads &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;False Hopes. Dr King standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial looking out over the magnificent crowd, the reflecting pool, the Washington Monument, sorry guys, false hopes, the dream will die, it can&#8217;t be done, false hope, we don&#8217;t need leaders who tell us what we can&#8217;t do, we need leaders to tell us what we can do and inspire us.&#8221;</p>
<p>He then asks if she would respond and she says &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I would, and I would point to the fact that that Dr. King&#8217;s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in peoples lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an ambiguous statement. But her reference is to different presidents &#8212; Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, one of whom inspired but did relatively little legislatively and Johnson who did a lot legislatively, though he was rather less than inspiring. Quite apart from the merits of Obama and Clinton, it&#8217;s not a bad point about Kennedy and LBJ.</p>
<p>Now I know in writing this I&#8217;m going to get tons of emails saying I&#8217;m defending an indefensible statement, making excuses for her, etc. I&#8217;m not. It&#8217;s poorly worded, and easy to misunderstand. And it will be misunderstood. Her &#8216;false hopes&#8217; line from the debate was one of the worst of the campaign. And you can read her realization of the dream point as putting a lot of focus on legislation and sort of discounting activism. But when I look at the actual words in this statement it just doesn&#8217;t match up with the line that&#8217;s circulating &#8212; that she was saying Obama&#8217;s King and she&#8217;s LBJ.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he&#8217;s got a point there, when the full exchange is considered.  King and the Civil Rights Movement pushed and pushed, but ultimately needed to get Congress to pass the legislation.  Kennedy talked big, but didn&#8217;t even try to get civil rights legislation passed.  LBJ was the one who did the arm-twisting and got the votes together.  Neither JFK nor LBJ would likely have done anything without King&#8217;s pushing, but LBJ was the one who went beyond talk and got it done.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a damn bad quote, though.  I see that she&#8217;s trying to say that Obama may be inspiring as an orator, but she&#8217;s the one who gets things done, but her message is muddled and it comes across (particularly in the truncated quote that was going around, and that was posted on the Politico) as if she&#8217;s denigrating King&#8217;s work and elevating LBJ&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger McKnight-Chavers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger McKnight-Chavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Tomas Gordon, as a Texan whose parents suffered through and also rallied against Jim Crow, all I&#039;m saying is that when it appears - whether that&#039;s what they intend or not -- that they are flippant about issues of race or pitting race vs. gender in a zero-sum game to get out votes, it can backfire against them in the African-American community, if conversations i&#039;ve had with people over the last couple of days are any indication.  They can bury their heads in the sand and ignore it or deal with it. Again, I harken back to Ms. Steinem&#039;s column, if you haven&#039;t seen it - my own mother was not only an activist on the civil rights front but also in the women&#039;s movement, so i&#039;m not speaking from the position of someone who doesn&#039;t support the goals of the movement or the potential for a female president.  Calling Senator Obama incompetent doesn&#039;t help support the Clinton position that they want to run a positive campaign either.  I went to school with his wife - don&#039;t sell them short in terms of intelligence just b/c you don&#039;t like them.  I&#039;ve never done that with Senator Clinton, and as I&#039;ve said, I&#039;ve voted for her and given her a good deal of money in the past and in this current race, but she hasn&#039;t earned my vote yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Tomas Gordon, as a Texan whose parents suffered through and also rallied against Jim Crow, all I&#8217;m saying is that when it appears &#8211; whether that&#8217;s what they intend or not &#8212; that they are flippant about issues of race or pitting race vs. gender in a zero-sum game to get out votes, it can backfire against them in the African-American community, if conversations i&#8217;ve had with people over the last couple of days are any indication.  They can bury their heads in the sand and ignore it or deal with it. Again, I harken back to Ms. Steinem&#8217;s column, if you haven&#8217;t seen it &#8211; my own mother was not only an activist on the civil rights front but also in the women&#8217;s movement, so i&#8217;m not speaking from the position of someone who doesn&#8217;t support the goals of the movement or the potential for a female president.  Calling Senator Obama incompetent doesn&#8217;t help support the Clinton position that they want to run a positive campaign either.  I went to school with his wife &#8211; don&#8217;t sell them short in terms of intelligence just b/c you don&#8217;t like them.  I&#8217;ve never done that with Senator Clinton, and as I&#8217;ve said, I&#8217;ve voted for her and given her a good deal of money in the past and in this current race, but she hasn&#8217;t earned my vote yet.</p>
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