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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Feministe » WTF of the day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe » WTF of the day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] having pubic hair. You wouldn&#8217;t know that if you got all of your sex education from porn, but that&#8217;s generally a bad idea. And plenty of people remove their pubic hair. More power to &#8216;em. While I&#8217;m sure there [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] having pubic hair. You wouldn&#8217;t know that if you got all of your sex education from porn, but that&#8217;s generally a bad idea. And plenty of people remove their pubic hair. More power to &#8216;em. While I&#8217;m sure there [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/11/dear-internet-porn/#comment-146355</link>
		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana: &lt;i&gt;Hell, I like porn, or I would if it wasn’t so hard to find free porn that isn’t disgusting in it’s treatment of women. &lt;/i&gt;

*wince*

I don&#039;t mean to target you specifically, as it&#039;s absolutely become a  global phenomenon. But I do wish people would recognise that the expectation of &quot;free porn&quot; as a basic right really devalues sex workers. It&#039;d be nice if people would have the decency to pay for their porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana: <i>Hell, I like porn, or I would if it wasn’t so hard to find free porn that isn’t disgusting in it’s treatment of women. </i></p>
<p>*wince*</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to target you specifically, as it&#8217;s absolutely become a  global phenomenon. But I do wish people would recognise that the expectation of &#8220;free porn&#8221; as a basic right really devalues sex workers. It&#8217;d be nice if people would have the decency to pay for their porn.</p>
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		<title>By: Linnaeus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/11/dear-internet-porn/#comment-146261</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnaeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, some people consume porn compulsively, I still don’t think it’s helpful to talk about porn as being addictive, per se.

To get back to the food analogy, we can take compulsive eating seriously without concluding that food is inherently addictive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I agree.  I wouldn&#039;t make the argument that porn is intrinsically addictive; much like alcohol, if it were intrinsically addictive, we&#039;d be seeing a lot more addicts.  At least I would think so.

But that doesn&#039;t exclude the possibility that people can get addicted to it, IMHO, if we think in terms of addiction as a behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, some people consume porn compulsively, I still don’t think it’s helpful to talk about porn as being addictive, per se.</p>
<p>To get back to the food analogy, we can take compulsive eating seriously without concluding that food is inherently addictive.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I agree.  I wouldn&#8217;t make the argument that porn is intrinsically addictive; much like alcohol, if it were intrinsically addictive, we&#8217;d be seeing a lot more addicts.  At least I would think so.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t exclude the possibility that people can get addicted to it, IMHO, if we think in terms of addiction as a behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/11/dear-internet-porn/#comment-146254</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to second what &lt;strong&gt;Serafina&lt;/strong&gt; said about anal sex. No, it&#039;s doesn&#039;t have to be humiliating and painful. However, for some people it is. To me, anal sex is a very disgusting thing, a humiliating thing (for me personally. If other people like it, that&#039;s fine and none of my business). It seems like every guy wants to do it these days though. If you aren&#039;t down with it, you&#039;re a prude or you&#039;re not good in bed or any number of things. Forget about what a freak you are if you don&#039;t want to go down on someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to second what <strong>Serafina</strong> said about anal sex. No, it&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t have to be humiliating and painful. However, for some people it is. To me, anal sex is a very disgusting thing, a humiliating thing (for me personally. If other people like it, that&#8217;s fine and none of my business). It seems like every guy wants to do it these days though. If you aren&#8217;t down with it, you&#8217;re a prude or you&#8217;re not good in bed or any number of things. Forget about what a freak you are if you don&#8217;t want to go down on someone.</p>
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		<title>By: wriggles</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/11/dear-internet-porn/#comment-146250</link>
		<dc:creator>wriggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I started wanting all the things I had seen you do. I wanted to be just like you. I wanted to cover my girlfriend’s face, put it up her ass, choke her.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh I see he make funny. 

Well here&#039;s a novelty request for the porn industry, how about showing women enjoying sex so much they don&#039;t give a fuck about their hair and you can see pleasure, not shock and or fear in their eyes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I started wanting all the things I had seen you do. I wanted to be just like you. I wanted to cover my girlfriend’s face, put it up her ass, choke her.
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<p>Oh I see he make funny. </p>
<p>Well here&#8217;s a novelty request for the porn industry, how about showing women enjoying sex so much they don&#8217;t give a fuck about their hair and you can see pleasure, not shock and or fear in their eyes?</p>
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		<title>By: Cola Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hector: Not at all. Actually sounds like some stuff a man who was in my life confided to me once (who shall remain as anonymous as possible). This guy just seems to have a sense of humour about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hector: Not at all. Actually sounds like some stuff a man who was in my life confided to me once (who shall remain as anonymous as possible). This guy just seems to have a sense of humour about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;FAKE. Sounds like it was written by a mother or girlfriend who found porn on a guy’s computer, not a male porn “addict”. Looking at porn when you’re horny is no less moral than eating a twinkie when you’re hungry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fake? Um, try piss take? It doesn&#039;t sound anything like a mother or girlfriend who found porn on a guy&#039;s computer, it sounds like someone making fun of porn addiction and the culture of porn whilst making a few choice shots at the less savoury aspects of porn.

Hell, I &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; porn, or I would if it wasn&#039;t so hard to find free porn that isn&#039;t disgusting in it&#039;s treatment of women. I like hardcore porn and I don&#039;t want romance. But I can&#039;t think of a bigger turn off than realising the clip I&#039;m watching is subtitled with the explanation that the male protagonists &quot;tricked some ho&quot; into fucking them. Yeah, that&#039;s real fucking sexy *gag*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FAKE. Sounds like it was written by a mother or girlfriend who found porn on a guy’s computer, not a male porn “addict”. Looking at porn when you’re horny is no less moral than eating a twinkie when you’re hungry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fake? Um, try piss take? It doesn&#8217;t sound anything like a mother or girlfriend who found porn on a guy&#8217;s computer, it sounds like someone making fun of porn addiction and the culture of porn whilst making a few choice shots at the less savoury aspects of porn.</p>
<p>Hell, I <i>like</i> porn, or I would if it wasn&#8217;t so hard to find free porn that isn&#8217;t disgusting in it&#8217;s treatment of women. I like hardcore porn and I don&#8217;t want romance. But I can&#8217;t think of a bigger turn off than realising the clip I&#8217;m watching is subtitled with the explanation that the male protagonists &#8220;tricked some ho&#8221; into fucking them. Yeah, that&#8217;s real fucking sexy *gag*</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Graves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it but this is a Promise Keepers-style just-so story that serves the same purpose and has the same basic validity as a Jack Chick pamphlet.  Butthole equals bad!  Wife stay home, make babies, clean house!  Sex and erotic play are out and &quot;wifely duties&quot; aka &quot;wifely burdens&quot; are in!  What is disturbing but not surprising is to see it serving a &quot;feminist&quot; perspective as well.  Sorry gay men, but your sexual practices are icky and therefore unacceptable!  Anal?  Check.  Facials?  Check.  Rimming/fisting/dominant and submissive play?  EEeeew!  It does not fit into my current worldview and therefore must be suppressed for everyone!  More countersubversive is the fact that this particular sermon assumes, a priori, that women have no power over their own lives, their own bodies, and their own fantasies and are not capable of judging for themselves what is pleasurable and what is good or bad.  The sermon presumes that only men, as father figure for wives and children, have the judgment and character to avoid both &quot;pr0n&quot; and sodomy in the sense of Texas law, being oral, anal, or masturbatory acts not leading to coitus for the production of young&#039;uns.
While feminists or really individual people may find certain practices, activities, movies, and so on unpleasant whether it is the act itself or the sociopolitical context of the act, should that act be banned for all people at all times?  Ted Haggard?  Bill Bennett?  Is Rodin&#039;s Thinker gay porn?  Are women always so weak and men always so strong?  Are you willing to  make that call for everyone at all times?  Welcome to the jihad, then, and greet President Huckabee appropriately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it but this is a Promise Keepers-style just-so story that serves the same purpose and has the same basic validity as a Jack Chick pamphlet.  Butthole equals bad!  Wife stay home, make babies, clean house!  Sex and erotic play are out and &#8220;wifely duties&#8221; aka &#8220;wifely burdens&#8221; are in!  What is disturbing but not surprising is to see it serving a &#8220;feminist&#8221; perspective as well.  Sorry gay men, but your sexual practices are icky and therefore unacceptable!  Anal?  Check.  Facials?  Check.  Rimming/fisting/dominant and submissive play?  EEeeew!  It does not fit into my current worldview and therefore must be suppressed for everyone!  More countersubversive is the fact that this particular sermon assumes, a priori, that women have no power over their own lives, their own bodies, and their own fantasies and are not capable of judging for themselves what is pleasurable and what is good or bad.  The sermon presumes that only men, as father figure for wives and children, have the judgment and character to avoid both &#8220;pr0n&#8221; and sodomy in the sense of Texas law, being oral, anal, or masturbatory acts not leading to coitus for the production of young&#8217;uns.<br />
While feminists or really individual people may find certain practices, activities, movies, and so on unpleasant whether it is the act itself or the sociopolitical context of the act, should that act be banned for all people at all times?  Ted Haggard?  Bill Bennett?  Is Rodin&#8217;s Thinker gay porn?  Are women always so weak and men always so strong?  Are you willing to  make that call for everyone at all times?  Welcome to the jihad, then, and greet President Huckabee appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay Beyerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, some people consume porn compulsively, I still don&#039;t think it&#039;s helpful to talk about porn as being addictive, &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;. 

To get back to the food analogy, we can take compulsive eating seriously without concluding that food is inherently addictive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, some people consume porn compulsively, I still don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s helpful to talk about porn as being addictive, <em>per se</em>. </p>
<p>To get back to the food analogy, we can take compulsive eating seriously without concluding that food is inherently addictive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosehiptea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosehiptea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s the “late for work” part that’s a problem, not the masturbation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, somehow I wasn&#039;t making the connection because he said the job thing first, and then &quot;six in the morning.&quot;  Which wasn&#039;t very smart of me.

Anyway... I do think it&#039;s fake to some degree or another (possibly really written by a guy who liked porn, possibly not, but I&#039;m pretty sure he made up the Baby Jesus part.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadly, much of the rest of the letter went right out of my mind, because as a hardcore YAOI fan with an incredibly straight-laced family, I just died laughing at “can you at least do me one favor? If I ever die, can you please format my hard drive? All of them? If you can’t do that, just burn my place down.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh, I&#039;m not big into yaoi but I do have some anime-inspired art on my hard drive that... let&#039;s just say I hope no one goes poking through it in the event of my death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s the “late for work” part that’s a problem, not the masturbation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, somehow I wasn&#8217;t making the connection because he said the job thing first, and then &#8220;six in the morning.&#8221;  Which wasn&#8217;t very smart of me.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; I do think it&#8217;s fake to some degree or another (possibly really written by a guy who liked porn, possibly not, but I&#8217;m pretty sure he made up the Baby Jesus part.)</p>
<blockquote><p>Sadly, much of the rest of the letter went right out of my mind, because as a hardcore YAOI fan with an incredibly straight-laced family, I just died laughing at “can you at least do me one favor? If I ever die, can you please format my hard drive? All of them? If you can’t do that, just burn my place down.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh, I&#8217;m not big into yaoi but I do have some anime-inspired art on my hard drive that&#8230; let&#8217;s just say I hope no one goes poking through it in the event of my death.</p>
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