Now, fundraisers for both Clinton and Obama have been associated with scandal: Hillary’s Norman Hsu, a fugitive from justice, now indicted, who bundled $200K in donations from a family headed by a letter carrier; and Obama’s Antoin Rezko, a real estate developer who sold Obama a ten-foot strip of the yard next door to his.

Who does that bitch think she is?

The assumption is that Hillary is some power hungry bitch

One last thing. At best the above are strawman arguments, reducing Sully’s critique of Hillary feminism, or lack thereof, to calling her a bitch. But who’s really introducing misogyny into the conversation?

this is the sort of bigoted politics Hillary’s campaign has used against Obama: calling him an “Islamic Manchurian candidate,” accusing him of attending a madrassa and being a drug dealer (not just drug taker, as he’s admitted, but a more racially coded accusation) under the guise that that’s what republicans are going to say about him, in contrast to the already “vetted” Hillary, they argued. even Teddy saw thru this.

well, S.H., I thought you where addressing either Sully, who’s a libertine liberatarian, or J.Citizen and neither of them mentioned Bubba’s sex life.

Okay let me try to be clear(er) here. I don’t think Hillary should pay for Bill’s sins, whatever they may be. Whether you believe he committed adultery or you think he’s a harasser or rapist, she still gets the blame. The main claim is always that Hillary let down women by not leaving Bill and/or demanding some public punishment of him, and that claim is made regardless of the extent of the charges. To me, it was Bill Clinton alone who betrayed women including her. It was her call as to how to repond and I don’t get to judge it, nor should anyone else. The assumption is that Hillary is some power hungry bitch who allowed her husband to rape and sexually harass women and particpated in the coverup so she could one day be president is just a tad bit of a stretch to me.

be that as it may, i think its more accurate to say the Clinton’s changed the standards, thus mccain, and guiliani are off the hook, while in days of yore, men like gary hart had to kiss their political careers goodbye.

interestingly, the bar has been raised for sexual harassment allegations to be taken seriously, as schwarzenegger found out. hill-thomas would never happen today.

your confusing sex with sexual harrasment and rape

Um no actually I wasn’t. The Clinton’s marriage gets held to some higher standard than the other two I mentioned and if we’re going to start judging candidates by their marital decisions then the standard must apply to all. I guess that’s one way to start narrowing the field. Only problem is exactly who gets to set the standard because Hillary ironically is often slammed for staying in her marriage and often by the “value voters” crowd. Bottom line is even if you don’t believe the harassment or rape claims I think it’s safe to say Bill Clinton treated women (at least some of them) in his life like shit, but don’t forget he’s had alot of company in that regard. Therein lies the hypocrisy.

Also, a way to gratuitously bring race into it. Why didn’t he compare some other winning Democrat to Obama?

I think it was a valid response, and it is certainly more refreshing to see such a use made out of a candidate’s spouse, than as smiling eye candy.

It blows my freaking mind how the same people who make this tired ass argument about the Clintons somehow manage to deem the likes of John McCain and Rudy Guliani as American heroes without even managing to recognize their own bullshit hypocrisy

your confusing sex with sexual harrasment and rape

I assume at least a few of the 27% of older white women Dems who did not vote for her, share this same opinion.

A few weeks back he pointed out how bill called obama a kid, not boy just kid, knowing it would go over the heads of most whites while annoying most blacks. He was trying to bait Obama into reacting like al sharpton, knowing such a reaction would turn off whites. Obama didn’t take the bait but that didn’t stop Bill from accusing him of crying racism anyway.

Now, this video, off Sully blog, adds some color to what Hillary is up to.