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		<title>By: Feministe » The Sissy-Whupping Method</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/17/kill-them-to-kill-yourself/#comment-174500</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » The Sissy-Whupping Method</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they won&#8217;t get harassed? Will it save children who are in elementary and middle school from the tragic fate of Lawrence King if we restrict their behavior to what&#8217;s considered proper? Obviously I&#8217;m biased here, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they won&#8217;t get harassed? Will it save children who are in elementary and middle school from the tragic fate of Lawrence King if we restrict their behavior to what&#8217;s considered proper? Obviously I&#8217;m biased here, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fragile Masculinity and Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fragile Masculinity and Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Holly at Feministe: Seriously, when you think about this kind of situation in all its disturbing dimensions and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Holly at Feministe: Seriously, when you think about this kind of situation in all its disturbing dimensions and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » Another Gender Non-Conforming Person Murdered</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe » Another Gender Non-Conforming Person Murdered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know, we could actually decide to do something about the Simmie Williamses and the Shanesha Stewarts and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know, we could actually decide to do something about the Simmie Williamses and the Shanesha Stewarts and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ftmark</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/17/kill-them-to-kill-yourself/#comment-152693</link>
		<dc:creator>ftmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name thing is really not okay. I&#039;ve actually thought, if something happened to me and I died tomorrow, I&#039;m fairly positive that everything would have my legal name (which I haven&#039;t used in 2 years - I just haven&#039;t legally changed it yet). No one knows me by that name, but that doesn&#039;t matter at all, does it? 

Sometimes, I wish being trans was easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name thing is really not okay. I&#8217;ve actually thought, if something happened to me and I died tomorrow, I&#8217;m fairly positive that everything would have my legal name (which I haven&#8217;t used in 2 years &#8211; I just haven&#8217;t legally changed it yet). No one knows me by that name, but that doesn&#8217;t matter at all, does it? </p>
<p>Sometimes, I wish being trans was easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanesha Stewart, Lawrence King, and why hate crimes legislation won&#8217;t help at AngryBrownButch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanesha Stewart, Lawrence King, and why hate crimes legislation won&#8217;t help at AngryBrownButch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have so much hatred or anger inside of him that he could kill another kid. Or, as Holly suggests in another post, that perhaps McInerney was not acting out of simple hatred: I fear the worst — and the worst [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have so much hatred or anger inside of him that he could kill another kid. Or, as Holly suggests in another post, that perhaps McInerney was not acting out of simple hatred: I fear the worst — and the worst [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Neko-Onna is right about this being a control issue, but i would say that it goes farther than just names - it&#039;s about society controlling anyone who doesn&#039;t fit the standards for &quot;normal&quot;. The New York Daily News&#039; response is so typical - tragedies like this are either ignored or framed in a way that dehumanizes the victim. And they almost never talk about the perpetrator&#039;s identity the way they do the victim&#039;s. In the NYDN story, we get all the &quot;shocking details&quot; about who Stewart was and what she looked like, but there&#039;s almost nothing about McMillan. They certainly don&#039;t identify his race - if they did people might actually sit up and notice that, by and large, these kinds of murders are committed by white men. And that might lead to scary questions about what exactly is going on in our society that makes white men feel entitled to be the &quot;enforcers&quot; of what is acceptable social behavior. And how much do you want to bet that the editor at NYDN who approved this story just &quot;happens&quot; to also be a white man? But the media will never point that out, because as long as Whiteness is invisible, the systems of privilege remain intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Neko-Onna is right about this being a control issue, but i would say that it goes farther than just names &#8211; it&#8217;s about society controlling anyone who doesn&#8217;t fit the standards for &#8220;normal&#8221;. The New York Daily News&#8217; response is so typical &#8211; tragedies like this are either ignored or framed in a way that dehumanizes the victim. And they almost never talk about the perpetrator&#8217;s identity the way they do the victim&#8217;s. In the NYDN story, we get all the &#8220;shocking details&#8221; about who Stewart was and what she looked like, but there&#8217;s almost nothing about McMillan. They certainly don&#8217;t identify his race &#8211; if they did people might actually sit up and notice that, by and large, these kinds of murders are committed by white men. And that might lead to scary questions about what exactly is going on in our society that makes white men feel entitled to be the &#8220;enforcers&#8221; of what is acceptable social behavior. And how much do you want to bet that the editor at NYDN who approved this story just &#8220;happens&#8221; to also be a white man? But the media will never point that out, because as long as Whiteness is invisible, the systems of privilege remain intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mnemosyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is for this very reason many attack… they feel that someone must step in to punish the person who is “non-conforming” and they feel justified in doing so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My husband and I were talking about the case and he brought up several others recently where the violent bully saw him/herself as the enforcer of society&#039;s standards.  When other people ridicule the bully for adhering to those standards (as in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/18/pink-tshirts-students.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this case&lt;/a&gt;), the bully is usually totally incredulous that other people aren&#039;t supporting him/her.  After all, s/he is following society&#039;s rules -- why is everyone else breaking them!?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is for this very reason many attack… they feel that someone must step in to punish the person who is “non-conforming” and they feel justified in doing so.</p></blockquote>
<p>My husband and I were talking about the case and he brought up several others recently where the violent bully saw him/herself as the enforcer of society&#8217;s standards.  When other people ridicule the bully for adhering to those standards (as in <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/18/pink-tshirts-students.html" rel="nofollow">this case</a>), the bully is usually totally incredulous that other people aren&#8217;t supporting him/her.  After all, s/he is following society&#8217;s rules &#8212; why is everyone else breaking them!?!!</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne, I don&#039;t blame anyone for being outraged at the jury&#039;s verdict of manslaughter in a case that had as many clear indicators of intent to most eyes as did the Dan White case.  As Barbara Mikkelson says on Snopes, people chose to believe the myth of the successful Twinkie defense rather than acknowledge a bleak fact of our society:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Better to believe the jury was hoodwinked by some pseudo-scientific nonsense about junk food than to acknowledge the fact that our legal system sometimes absolves defendants of responsibility for the most heinous of crimes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

People who are Othered by our society get shafted by our legal system all the time, because most jurors share general social prejudices and are willing to give people accused of harming one of Them the benefits of doubts that they would not extend if the victim were one of Us.  It&#039;s part of the same trap where many non-feminist women fall into victim-blaming women who are raped: they are Other, they are not Us, and They did something to provoke rape, which We would never do.  Ingroup reassurance is the basis of all myths and legends, and urban legends about gays, transfolk and rape victims are no different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne, I don&#8217;t blame anyone for being outraged at the jury&#8217;s verdict of manslaughter in a case that had as many clear indicators of intent to most eyes as did the Dan White case.  As Barbara Mikkelson says on Snopes, people chose to believe the myth of the successful Twinkie defense rather than acknowledge a bleak fact of our society:</p>
<blockquote><p>Better to believe the jury was hoodwinked by some pseudo-scientific nonsense about junk food than to acknowledge the fact that our legal system sometimes absolves defendants of responsibility for the most heinous of crimes.</p></blockquote>
<p>People who are Othered by our society get shafted by our legal system all the time, because most jurors share general social prejudices and are willing to give people accused of harming one of Them the benefits of doubts that they would not extend if the victim were one of Us.  It&#8217;s part of the same trap where many non-feminist women fall into victim-blaming women who are raped: they are Other, they are not Us, and They did something to provoke rape, which We would never do.  Ingroup reassurance is the basis of all myths and legends, and urban legends about gays, transfolk and rape victims are no different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Trans-woman and also a business owner who works with clients in the domestic violence prevention industry (AVACA, Inc.) as well as the owner of LGBT Family Services, Inc., both located in San Francisco. As well as a person who has suffered two attacks and has been beaten and raped. I can speak both personally and professionally I believe about the following subject. 

People attack others for two basic reasons * they are themselves running/hiding from their own sexual or gender issues and believe attacking someone who is “out” will prove they are not like the person  they attack  or  * the attacker feels the need to “correct” or “keep the order and control”.  As if in a relationship, or as a member of society at large, someone is the decider and keeper of the rules, and if broken, someone must be punished for not conforming to a set of rules. Being the victim of a  hate crime myself, when attacked, I was told that I was being raped to show me what a “real”  man  was like and the beatings were to show how much of a “freak” I am. As if my attackers were the keeper of conformity and there to enforce societies rules.

I see language in almost every article that is about someone who is transgender or gender queer that they are “non-conforming”.  This language was also used in the most recent article where a teenage child in my own state was shot and killed at school only days ago. My heart goes out to the friends and family.

It is for this very reason many attack… they feel that someone must step in to punish the person who is “non-conforming” and they feel justified in doing so. I started several months ago asking the local LGBT organizations and media to stop using this language as part of there description of individuals with-in the LGBT community as who are we to be &quot;conforming&quot; to. As a member of the LGBT community we conform to our “own” identity and life as we see it, and that the use of the term “gender non-conforming” only ads to the belief that we are some how in default, wrong or defective. As someone who is an advocate of our human rights, our own Gay and Lesbian community can understand what it is like to be viewed or described as being “sexually non-conforming”.  It has negative connotations.

 I understand the many ways society has been conditioned both past and present to conform to what is considered “natural” behavior. This is of course one of the greatest fallacies known to our society. As we are each individuals and live and love in a manor unique to our own understanding and good will. It is however a total break down of our rights and privileges when even our own LGBT Community, as well as the media that reports on our community, uses language such as “gender non-conforming”. I believe it sends the wrong message to society and ask anyone who reads this to see the wisdom in ending this type of description or language regarding our community and instead start dialogue on how each person “conforms” to their “own” understanding of self and are unique as snowflakes and has the right to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Trans-woman and also a business owner who works with clients in the domestic violence prevention industry (AVACA, Inc.) as well as the owner of LGBT Family Services, Inc., both located in San Francisco. As well as a person who has suffered two attacks and has been beaten and raped. I can speak both personally and professionally I believe about the following subject. </p>
<p>People attack others for two basic reasons * they are themselves running/hiding from their own sexual or gender issues and believe attacking someone who is “out” will prove they are not like the person  they attack  or  * the attacker feels the need to “correct” or “keep the order and control”.  As if in a relationship, or as a member of society at large, someone is the decider and keeper of the rules, and if broken, someone must be punished for not conforming to a set of rules. Being the victim of a  hate crime myself, when attacked, I was told that I was being raped to show me what a “real”  man  was like and the beatings were to show how much of a “freak” I am. As if my attackers were the keeper of conformity and there to enforce societies rules.</p>
<p>I see language in almost every article that is about someone who is transgender or gender queer that they are “non-conforming”.  This language was also used in the most recent article where a teenage child in my own state was shot and killed at school only days ago. My heart goes out to the friends and family.</p>
<p>It is for this very reason many attack… they feel that someone must step in to punish the person who is “non-conforming” and they feel justified in doing so. I started several months ago asking the local LGBT organizations and media to stop using this language as part of there description of individuals with-in the LGBT community as who are we to be &#8220;conforming&#8221; to. As a member of the LGBT community we conform to our “own” identity and life as we see it, and that the use of the term “gender non-conforming” only ads to the belief that we are some how in default, wrong or defective. As someone who is an advocate of our human rights, our own Gay and Lesbian community can understand what it is like to be viewed or described as being “sexually non-conforming”.  It has negative connotations.</p>
<p> I understand the many ways society has been conditioned both past and present to conform to what is considered “natural” behavior. This is of course one of the greatest fallacies known to our society. As we are each individuals and live and love in a manor unique to our own understanding and good will. It is however a total break down of our rights and privileges when even our own LGBT Community, as well as the media that reports on our community, uses language such as “gender non-conforming”. I believe it sends the wrong message to society and ask anyone who reads this to see the wisdom in ending this type of description or language regarding our community and instead start dialogue on how each person “conforms” to their “own” understanding of self and are unique as snowflakes and has the right to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victim blaming pure and simple. I have a friend who is trans and African-American and has been jailed on trumped up charges.  Would this have happened had T been a white male?  You tell me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victim blaming pure and simple. I have a friend who is trans and African-American and has been jailed on trumped up charges.  Would this have happened had T been a white male?  You tell me.</p>
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