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		<title>By: miss_prym</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/18/the-running-of-the-jews/#comment-156016</link>
		<dc:creator>miss_prym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t finished reading all comments but I just want to say - I am Lithuanian and people like &#039;neblogai&#039; and &#039;Mike&#039; constitute 98% of population in Lithuania. Moreso, Lithuanians are not only anti-semitic, they are also racist, homophobic, misogynistic. Racism, homophobia, misogyny is tolerated in everyday life, work place, media.
Dressing up like Jews or Roma during Uzgavenes is encouraged even in kindergardens.
I&#039;m sorry for any grammar/spelling mistakes, obviously, English is not my first language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t finished reading all comments but I just want to say &#8211; I am Lithuanian and people like &#8216;neblogai&#8217; and &#8216;Mike&#8217; constitute 98% of population in Lithuania. Moreso, Lithuanians are not only anti-semitic, they are also racist, homophobic, misogynistic. Racism, homophobia, misogyny is tolerated in everyday life, work place, media.<br />
Dressing up like Jews or Roma during Uzgavenes is encouraged even in kindergardens.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry for any grammar/spelling mistakes, obviously, English is not my first language.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/18/the-running-of-the-jews/#comment-153953</link>
		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of all the victims of the holocaust in Lithuania, how many were hebrew, and how many were NON-SEMITIC ashkenazis?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excuse me?  Are you actually making the claim that Lithuanians helped kill only Ashkenazi Jews, so that&#039;s OK then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of all the victims of the holocaust in Lithuania, how many were hebrew, and how many were NON-SEMITIC ashkenazis?</p></blockquote>
<p>Excuse me?  Are you actually making the claim that Lithuanians helped kill only Ashkenazi Jews, so that&#8217;s OK then?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say about this is it&#039;s ridiculous to make the claim that Lithuania is &quot;anti-semitic&quot;.

We have happily and honorably lived side-by-side with arab-tatars, and Karaim, who are devout followers of old hebrew traditions.

Just the idea of &quot;anti-semitism&quot; in Lithuania is ridiculous.  Of all the victims of the holocaust in Lithuania, how many were hebrew, and how many were NON-SEMITIC ashkenazis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say about this is it&#8217;s ridiculous to make the claim that Lithuania is &#8220;anti-semitic&#8221;.</p>
<p>We have happily and honorably lived side-by-side with arab-tatars, and Karaim, who are devout followers of old hebrew traditions.</p>
<p>Just the idea of &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; in Lithuania is ridiculous.  Of all the victims of the holocaust in Lithuania, how many were hebrew, and how many were NON-SEMITIC ashkenazis?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/18/the-running-of-the-jews/#comment-152919</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;You should be advocating tolerance, but what i see is only HATE.&lt;/b&gt;

Ah, yes- the old &quot;you&#039;re intolerant of intolerance!&quot; cry. You&#039;re barking up the wrong tree, friend- I don&#039;t think that most of us feel particularly compelled to play nice with bigots, and I don&#039;t take it as a personality flaw that I&#039;m intolerant of racial/ethnic/religious/sexual intolerance. So, yes. I hate bigotry. 

I&#039;ll wear that proudly. 

&lt;b&gt;I can also give answers like jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much. Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.&lt;/b&gt;

No, refusing to acknowlege &quot;Wow, maybe they&#039;re right, and fucked up, racist costumes maybe aren&#039;t so cool. Maybe it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; cool to make insulting costumes of &#039;Jews&#039; and parade around mocking them and their cultural/religious beliefs! Maybe it&#039;s, in fact, &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; to perpetuate racist beliefs about the Roma, too!&quot; is what is fucking things up. 

Hating racism doesn&#039;t fuck anything up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You should be advocating tolerance, but what i see is only HATE.</b></p>
<p>Ah, yes- the old &#8220;you&#8217;re intolerant of intolerance!&#8221; cry. You&#8217;re barking up the wrong tree, friend- I don&#8217;t think that most of us feel particularly compelled to play nice with bigots, and I don&#8217;t take it as a personality flaw that I&#8217;m intolerant of racial/ethnic/religious/sexual intolerance. So, yes. I hate bigotry. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wear that proudly. </p>
<p><b>I can also give answers like jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much. Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.</b></p>
<p>No, refusing to acknowlege &#8220;Wow, maybe they&#8217;re right, and fucked up, racist costumes maybe aren&#8217;t so cool. Maybe it&#8217;s <i>not</i> cool to make insulting costumes of &#8216;Jews&#8217; and parade around mocking them and their cultural/religious beliefs! Maybe it&#8217;s, in fact, <i>bad</i> to perpetuate racist beliefs about the Roma, too!&#8221; is what is fucking things up. </p>
<p>Hating racism doesn&#8217;t fuck anything up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can’t Sascha Baron-Cohen sue for copyright infringement?&lt;/i&gt;

Somehow I doubt he&#039;s the first person to ever &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415871&amp;in_page_id=1770&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exploit&lt;/a&gt; Roma people while insulting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can’t Sascha Baron-Cohen sue for copyright infringement?</i></p>
<p>Somehow I doubt he&#8217;s the first person to ever <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415871&amp;in_page_id=1770" rel="nofollow">exploit</a> Roma people while insulting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Amos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neblogai, thank you for pointing out our &quot;hate&quot; to us. Truly it&#039;s a privilege to learn how hateful we are from the fellow who wrote such charming comments here as

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Noone has ever seen a roma people working... There was hope, that after EU expancion roma people will leave for richer countries, but it was vain hope- they make enough drug money here. Now, you can ask, are they really that bad? A cruel real life example from real-eastate business: bussinesman has one flat in a house, and wants to buy all other flats, but people don’t sell. So he rents the flat to roma familly. Soon enough, neighbours notwithstanding life there anymore sell the flats.&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;
Please be our guru and teach us the error of our hateful ways. Because somehow criticizing the hatefulness on display in Lithuania, makes us haters. You really picked the wrong place to try out that rhetorical trick. 

The fact is Lithuania doesn&#039;t have a Jewish problem because it really doesn&#039;t have much in the way of Jews. Lithuanians have a problem with their own obsession with Jews and Jewish conspiracies. My own family originates from Lithuania and Poland and the handful that survived WW2 and the aftermath of WW2 when they returned home only to be attacked by their own neighbors who had helped themselves to their houses and possessions (all the while calling Roma thieves), never want to return. Ditto here. Every now and then I get an offer for some Living History or memory tour to Poland or Lithuania and I tear it up and throw it in the trash. 

I have the option of living in my own country. Sadly the Roma don&#039;t. I do hope that they find someplace more hospitable than Lithuania because theirs has been a sad and ugly history</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neblogai, thank you for pointing out our &#8220;hate&#8221; to us. Truly it&#8217;s a privilege to learn how hateful we are from the fellow who wrote such charming comments here as</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Noone has ever seen a roma people working&#8230; There was hope, that after EU expancion roma people will leave for richer countries, but it was vain hope- they make enough drug money here. Now, you can ask, are they really that bad? A cruel real life example from real-eastate business: bussinesman has one flat in a house, and wants to buy all other flats, but people don’t sell. So he rents the flat to roma familly. Soon enough, neighbours notwithstanding life there anymore sell the flats.&#8221;<br />
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Please be our guru and teach us the error of our hateful ways. Because somehow criticizing the hatefulness on display in Lithuania, makes us haters. You really picked the wrong place to try out that rhetorical trick. </p>
<p>The fact is Lithuania doesn&#8217;t have a Jewish problem because it really doesn&#8217;t have much in the way of Jews. Lithuanians have a problem with their own obsession with Jews and Jewish conspiracies. My own family originates from Lithuania and Poland and the handful that survived WW2 and the aftermath of WW2 when they returned home only to be attacked by their own neighbors who had helped themselves to their houses and possessions (all the while calling Roma thieves), never want to return. Ditto here. Every now and then I get an offer for some Living History or memory tour to Poland or Lithuania and I tear it up and throw it in the trash. </p>
<p>I have the option of living in my own country. Sadly the Roma don&#8217;t. I do hope that they find someplace more hospitable than Lithuania because theirs has been a sad and ugly history</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, right.  Hundreds upon hundreds of years of persecution and pogroms culminating in the Holocaust, but the real problem is those hateful Jews who have too much &quot;unhealthy&quot; anger.  Tell me, what&#039;s the appropriate amount or kind of anger to have at seeing the continued vilification of one&#039;s people in the same old ways that have led to their suffering and death for hundreds of years?  What&#039;s the &quot;healthy&quot; response?

&lt;blockquote&gt; I can also give answers like jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much. Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can, but such an answer has no basis in any history whatsoever, whereas if you look at the history of Eastern Europe and its nations relationship to its Jews, &quot;anti-semitism&quot; is a pretty likely guess.  And...&quot;Lithuanians and Jews had good history&quot;?  Right.  Except for the part where Lithuania &lt;i&gt;expelled&lt;/i&gt; the Jews.  Note also how you distinguish between &quot;Lithuanian&quot; and &quot;Jew&quot; as two separate categories--for you, Jews can&#039;t be and haven&#039;t been &quot;true&quot; Lithuanians?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  Because expressions of anger about anti-semitic mockeries of Jews is &lt;i&gt;exactly the same thing&lt;/i&gt; as helping to send one&#039;s neighbors off to death camps.  Good analogy, there.  But yes, I am a hater of anti-semites.  I feel OK about that.

Hate only gives hate in return?  Then you&#039;re reaping what gentiles have sown from centuries and centuries of violent, hateful anti-semitism.  You&#039;re reaping what you&#039;ve sown from defending vicious hateful mockeries of Jews.  What goes around comes around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, right.  Hundreds upon hundreds of years of persecution and pogroms culminating in the Holocaust, but the real problem is those hateful Jews who have too much &#8220;unhealthy&#8221; anger.  Tell me, what&#8217;s the appropriate amount or kind of anger to have at seeing the continued vilification of one&#8217;s people in the same old ways that have led to their suffering and death for hundreds of years?  What&#8217;s the &#8220;healthy&#8221; response?</p>
<blockquote><p> I can also give answers like jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much. Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history</p></blockquote>
<p>You can, but such an answer has no basis in any history whatsoever, whereas if you look at the history of Eastern Europe and its nations relationship to its Jews, &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; is a pretty likely guess.  And&#8230;&#8221;Lithuanians and Jews had good history&#8221;?  Right.  Except for the part where Lithuania <i>expelled</i> the Jews.  Note also how you distinguish between &#8220;Lithuanian&#8221; and &#8220;Jew&#8221; as two separate categories&#8211;for you, Jews can&#8217;t be and haven&#8217;t been &#8220;true&#8221; Lithuanians?</p>
<blockquote><p>Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  Because expressions of anger about anti-semitic mockeries of Jews is <i>exactly the same thing</i> as helping to send one&#8217;s neighbors off to death camps.  Good analogy, there.  But yes, I am a hater of anti-semites.  I feel OK about that.</p>
<p>Hate only gives hate in return?  Then you&#8217;re reaping what gentiles have sown from centuries and centuries of violent, hateful anti-semitism.  You&#8217;re reaping what you&#8217;ve sown from defending vicious hateful mockeries of Jews.  What goes around comes around.</p>
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		<title>By: Neblogai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neblogai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there certainly seems to be unhealthy anger in any response I get. You should be advocating tolerance, but what i see is only HATE. And hate only gives hate in return. I can also give answers like &lt;em&gt;jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much.&lt;/em&gt; Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there certainly seems to be unhealthy anger in any response I get. You should be advocating tolerance, but what i see is only HATE. And hate only gives hate in return. I can also give answers like <em>jews were expelled in 1495 because they hated lithuanians too much.</em> Is it true? No. Lithuanians and jews had good history- till 1940ies, when some lithuanians ****ed it up. Now haters like you are ****ing it up.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;while it is probably politicaly correct thing to do, it also deletes understanding about jews as part of our history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I wouldn&#039;t fret about that if I were you.  The fact that anti-semitic mockery is a vital part of your history and culture won&#039;t be forgotten any time soon.

&lt;blockquote&gt; jews were expelled-don’t know why- for 8 years in 1495&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like &quot;don&#039;t know why.&quot;  I mean, there might be any number of perfectly legitimate reasons to forcibly expel citizens living in your country.  Nonetheless, based on my knowledge of Jewish history and how and why expulsions happened in other countries I&#039;m going to hazard a guess--anti-semitism?

&lt;blockquote&gt; Also, don’t know what is “Most of eastern europe has a shortage of Jews”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It means that until the Holocaust, almost all Eastern European countries had thriving Jewish populations with living cultural traditions and economies and all that good stuff.  And that those people were murdered by Nazis and home-grown collaborating anti-semites, so that where only some decades ago Jews were a significant proportion of the population, there is now only a miniscule number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>while it is probably politicaly correct thing to do, it also deletes understanding about jews as part of our history.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I wouldn&#8217;t fret about that if I were you.  The fact that anti-semitic mockery is a vital part of your history and culture won&#8217;t be forgotten any time soon.</p>
<blockquote><p> jews were expelled-don’t know why- for 8 years in 1495</p></blockquote>
<p>I like &#8220;don&#8217;t know why.&#8221;  I mean, there might be any number of perfectly legitimate reasons to forcibly expel citizens living in your country.  Nonetheless, based on my knowledge of Jewish history and how and why expulsions happened in other countries I&#8217;m going to hazard a guess&#8211;anti-semitism?</p>
<blockquote><p> Also, don’t know what is “Most of eastern europe has a shortage of Jews”</p></blockquote>
<p>It means that until the Holocaust, almost all Eastern European countries had thriving Jewish populations with living cultural traditions and economies and all that good stuff.  And that those people were murdered by Nazis and home-grown collaborating anti-semites, so that where only some decades ago Jews were a significant proportion of the population, there is now only a miniscule number.</p>
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		<title>By: Neblogai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neblogai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, like I said, I believe uzgavenes tradition can be easily altered, just polite discussion in Lithuanian media is needed. However, while it is probably politicaly correct thing to do, it also deletes understanding about jews as part of our history.
As for a post of AMOS- yes, jews were expelled-don&#039;t know why- for 8 years in 1495, but you should check your other history facts better. Also, don&#039;t know what is &quot;Most of eastern europe has a shortage of Jews&quot;- but it sounds disrespectful to jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, like I said, I believe uzgavenes tradition can be easily altered, just polite discussion in Lithuanian media is needed. However, while it is probably politicaly correct thing to do, it also deletes understanding about jews as part of our history.<br />
As for a post of AMOS- yes, jews were expelled-don&#8217;t know why- for 8 years in 1495, but you should check your other history facts better. Also, don&#8217;t know what is &#8220;Most of eastern europe has a shortage of Jews&#8221;- but it sounds disrespectful to jews.</p>
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