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  1. Sarah J
    Sarah J February 24, 2008 at 5:59 pm |

    I think sex doesn’t mean that much to them because they haven’t had good sex. ;)

  2. Tapetum
    Tapetum February 24, 2008 at 6:06 pm |

    There are genuinely some people who have little or no sexual desire as such. More power to them to act on their own (lack of) sexual feeling – but that doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily a good idea for everyone else.

  3. hematopoetic
    hematopoetic February 24, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    Amen! This is something that, sadly, can’t be said enough. Sing it, sister!

  4. amanda w
    amanda w February 24, 2008 at 6:36 pm |

    Birth control, fwiw, can also function as a “healing” medicine. Not that it matters to them, because they aren’t making the distinction in good faith. They’re seeking rationalizations to put a friendlier face on an ugly motive.

  5. Dana
    Dana February 24, 2008 at 7:08 pm |

    Oh god. This woman thinks that because she (and fortunately her husband) are asexual that the rest of the world is too and is just in denial? Good for her, but they are in the minority, and I’m amazed she actually believes otherwise :o

  6. Interrobang
    Interrobang February 24, 2008 at 7:14 pm |

    There actually is a huge overlap between the anti-contraception crowd and the anti-vaccination crowd, believe it or not. A whole lot of people in San Diego and area currently are under quarantine for measles because their religious wingnut parents decided not to have them vaccinated, enough so that the herd immunity at their particular charter school stopped functioning.

    These types are a health hazard for the rest of us, that’s for sure.

  7. ol cranky
    ol cranky February 24, 2008 at 7:43 pm |

    Whoa, the only thing that left my more confoozled than the claim that masturbation enables violence was the following complaint:

    The Monologues reduces the woman to her vagina, and discusses her life-experience as dictated by the sex organ. Thus, it perpetuates the objectification of women. Just as pornography arouses objectification of women visually, the Monologues arouses objectification through the spoken word.

    Funny coming from a line of belief that reduces a woman to her uterus.

  8. Amanda Marcotte
    Amanda Marcotte February 24, 2008 at 8:39 pm |

    It makes the misanthropy doubly offensive. They want you to be unhappy in your abstinence, and they aren’t even willing to do something to make themselves unhappy (beat their feet with hammers, maybe?) to make it equitable. “I’m perfectly happy not having sex, so you should be miserable not having sex,” is not a compelling argument.

  9. Rosehiptea
    Rosehiptea February 24, 2008 at 9:07 pm |

    Don’t tens of thousands of history argue against the idea that most people don’t like sex that much and would just as soon abstain if they don’t want kids? (That everyone is hetero is their assumption, not mine, by the way.)

    Sure there are people out there who aren’t that into sex (or aren’t into at all) and I respect that. But does this particular couple really think people in general are going to just suddenly say “Oh, hey, I just won’t have sex if I don’t want a baby! It’s no big deal after all!”

  10. preying mantis
    preying mantis February 24, 2008 at 11:09 pm |

    “More power to them to act on their own (lack of) sexual feeling – but that doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily a good idea for everyone else.”

    It’s about as good an idea for everyone else as compulsory daily sex would be a good idea for them.

    Of course, we wouldn’t be hearing about these folks if their own particular, relatively unusual, and fortunately compatible view of sex couldn’t be used to bludgeon women with sex drives who aren’t willing to suffer through a dozen pregnancies over it.

  11. hyrax
    hyrax February 25, 2008 at 1:15 am |

    One of the best pieces of advice my mom gave me was (in cruder variants) “You don’t have to just b/c he wants to”. I had to figure out the part about ME wanting to by myself, but it’s not like she struck down the possibility, just never addressed it.

    I wish the abstinence people would be similarly practical: it’s OK to choose not to have sex, at any point and for any reason.

  12. William
    William February 25, 2008 at 1:42 am |

    If you don’t want to have sex, don’t have sex. If you think sex should only be for baby-making, then baby-make away. If you think masturbation is murder, then keep your hands above your waist. But can you at least let the rest of us enjoy ourselves?

    No, they can’t allow everyone else to enjoy themselves. The problem with the anti-sex crowd is that their relationship to sexuality is so damaged their gender roles so rigid that they cannot simply make their own choices and leave it at that. Sexuality is too stirring, too anxiety provoking, too scary. This isn’t about not wanting to engage in sexual activity, this is about seeing sex as so basically threatening that it needs to be harshly controlled. If they simply make a choice not to engage in sex it say something about them, it implies that there is either something wrong about them or that they have some choice in the matter. If instead sex is highly restricted, then their choice is validated by god or society. It is no longer a choice but an imperative They need this external validation in order to maintain abstinence, they need to face punishment for transgression, which means you need in order for said punishment to have any significance.

  13. bekabot
    bekabot February 25, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    (In humble deference to William’s analysis)

    Shorter Antisex Activism Screed:

    “Don’t have sex until you get married!!”

    “O NO NO NO WAIT!! On second thought, don’t have sex even then!!”

  14. ThickRedGlasses
    ThickRedGlasses February 25, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    They both masturbate in the shower. Let’s be honest here.

  15. Dana
    Dana February 25, 2008 at 6:23 pm |

    What if your doctor puts you on birth control for health reasons? Is that against the religion too? If someone is on BC for health reasons and has sex, are they violating god’s rules?

    (Sorry, but this topic is among the most perplexing when it comes to religion.)

  16. Dana
    Dana February 25, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    Also, in one of my psych classes, my professor brought up the idea that priests molest children because they have been sexually repressed, so now they act out their sexual fantasies with someone at the same level of sexual maturity.

    Not saying that excuses the priests, but shouldn’t this be a sign that maybe encouraging healthy sexual behavior will lead to less instances of pedophilia/rape/sexual abuse/etc?

  17. ThickRedGlasses
    ThickRedGlasses February 25, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    Dana says:

    What if your doctor puts you on birth control for health reasons? Is that against the religion too? If someone is on BC for health reasons and has sex, are they violating god’s rules?

    I would think that having sex while on birth control would be a no-no, even if the birth control is for health reasons. However, I think since the birth control wouldn’t be used for contraceptive purposes, the couple would some how rationalize any sexual behavior they end up doing together. “It’s not birth control. They’re period pain healing tablets” or something like that.

  18. sigh
    sigh February 25, 2008 at 7:06 pm |

    Priests who abuse children do so because they are pedophiles and they have been given too much power. Repression in priests is a hoax my friend. If they just wanted sexual release, they could engage in masturbation with a LOT less hassle (not to mention the potential to harm another human being and get sent to jail). Priests who are gay, for example, can find willing partners. Hell, priests who are hetero can find willing partners (cheating on vows notwithstanding). However, the choice to injure a child is related to a harmful sexual response to children and (again) the position of power that the church puts them in (and makes them believe they deserve). Repression my ass

  19. sigh
    sigh February 25, 2008 at 7:09 pm |

    Sorry I should have said “and possibly getting sent to jail”

    According to your prof’s theory, anyone who isn’t sexually active is sexually immature. Are all older than 20 virgins pedophiles then?

  20. Dana
    Dana February 26, 2008 at 12:08 am |

    I think he was referring more to intense sexual repression. There’s a difference between a 20 year old who’s holding out for the “right person” or just hasn’t had the opportunity (or whatever other reason), who isn’t committed to suffocating their sexual desires completely. With priests, they basically force themselves to become asexually, sometimes unsuccessfully.

    And like I said, that’s no excuse, and I’m totally not condoning their behavior. I just brought it up to point out that maybe repressing sexuality may not be the best idea.

  21. Ben Andrews
    Ben Andrews February 28, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    This is the worst representation of a pro-life stance ever. Its easy to knock down your opponents argument when you present it as weak, and fill it with gross generalities. First off maybe you could define what a pro-life stance is. Protection of Life beginning at fertilization and ending at natural death. This article is basically praising promiscuous sexual behavior. For most Abstinence groups the reason they promote abstinence is not to prevent pregnancy, that’s the least of your worries, it is to prevent sexually transmitted diseases. Contraceptives can’t protect you against STDS. Condoms provide “safer sex.” They can’t stop the majority of STDs and can fail at preventing the few they’re supposed to protect against. As for condoms being a surefire way to prevent pregnancy, yeah right, they can break. One 100% sure way to not get pregnant is abstinence. Another is that you can have a vasectomy or hysterectomy, a choice many married couples choose once they’ve decided to not have any more children. Did you even think to explain why a Pro-lifer would object to emergency contraceptives? Look at our definition of life; fertilization to natural death. If fertilization has already occurred, then there is life a new life, a human being at its earliest stage of development, then the morning after pill would give that life and be the earliest possible stage of abortion. Pro-Life people and Abstinence people are not out to destroy your sexual fun. If that were true Abstinence groups would try and outlaw sex out of wedlock, they’re trying to inform people about the real dangerous and consequences of their actions. And Pro-Lifers are their to make sure a child is not killed. Pro-Lifers give aid to single women, and couples that are not ready to have a child. Pro-Lifer is a positive movement that empowers women to give birth to their child, and still follow their dreams. Please do some research before you slander our movement, go look at what groups like Care-Net http://www.care-net.org/ have done, and find out what people like Pam Stenzel http://www.pamstenzel.com/ are talking about

  22. Vanessa Robinson
    Vanessa Robinson March 12, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    Condoms provide “safer sex.” They can’t stop the majority of STDs and can fail at preventing the few they’re supposed to protect against

    I’ll agree that condoms do not stop all STDs but I think you have got the emphasis the wrong way round. Off the top of my head from sex-ed classes condoms can stop transmission of HIV, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis but not HPV (human papilloma virus – of which one strain causes genital warts) or pubic lice (not technically a disease but I’ll include it anyway). Although that isn’t a complete list it gives a fairer distribution.

    If fertilization has already occurred, then there is life a new life, a human being at its earliest stage of development, then the morning after pill would give that life and be the earliest possible stage of abortion.

    The main way in which the ‘morning after pill’ works is to thicken mucus and thereby prevent the sperm from reaching and fertilising the egg. In that case then the only ‘lives’ whose potentials are not being fulfilled are those of the gametes (sperm or eggs cells before fertilisation has occurred). By that reasoning, every egg that does not get fertilised is a ‘life’ not being fulfilled. I hardly think you would advocate all girls from the age of puberty seeking to fertilise every egg that is released and yet that is the logical conclusion if you carry your argument through.

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