Comments on: So will re-claiming my status as a college freshman get me out of these law school loans? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:00:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: bri http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-181393 bri Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:26:14 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-181393 I always thought the picture they [my fellow Christians] painted of purity was a little perverted, too. There is no real importance placed on virginity as an object of desire in the Bible. It wasn't about women being objects to be "used" or "kept new" so much as virginity was an indication that a person had not "bonded" with or to another person. Since sex was meant to be between just two people, a way for them to physically and emotionally unite, having sex with someone you weren't spending your life with was looked down upon (and particularly for women, simply wasn't wise in those days). Virginity was just as important for men as for women (to God) and that was especially stressed in the New Testament by Paul the apostle. A man and woman who had sex were expected to marry (that is, spend their lives together as one unit) because sex was what was seen as the thing that brought two people together. If virginity was so highly valued religiously, then widows would not have been allowed to remarry, but they were. In God's eyes, when a woman or man's "other half" passed on, they were free to go in search of a new partner because what sex (and God) had put together, death had taken apart. Why did I "save myself" for my future husband? So that I could give him the "gift" of my virginity? Psh, like a feminist like me would ever think in such a fashion! No, I did it for me and for the relationship I expected to have one day. It wasn't about giving my hymen or what-not but about simply not wanting to connect so intimately with someone who wasn't investing their life into me. That seems almost selfish in light of this other way of thinking, but I expected I'd marry a wise kind of guy and that he would likely do the same for himself. When I met who I am married to today, I found that he had also not wanted to invest so much in someone who wouldn't be around for good, and I was happy about that. The only thing we gave each other was, well, each other. The only magic to being virgins was that we got to experience the newness together and didn't have to worry about old memories popping up or something like that. Of course, OF COURSE, we still had to worry about pregnancy and -yes, omg- STIs! Stupid conservatives! People can be born with those too ya know! I always thought the picture they [my fellow Christians] painted of purity was a little perverted, too.

There is no real importance placed on virginity as an object of desire in the Bible. It wasn’t about women being objects to be “used” or “kept new” so much as virginity was an indication that a person had not “bonded” with or to another person. Since sex was meant to be between just two people, a way for them to physically and emotionally unite, having sex with someone you weren’t spending your life with was looked down upon (and particularly for women, simply wasn’t wise in those days). Virginity was just as important for men as for women (to God) and that was especially stressed in the New Testament by Paul the apostle.

A man and woman who had sex were expected to marry (that is, spend their lives together as one unit) because sex was what was seen as the thing that brought two people together. If virginity was so highly valued religiously, then widows would not have been allowed to remarry, but they were. In God’s eyes, when a woman or man’s “other half” passed on, they were free to go in search of a new partner because what sex (and God) had put together, death had taken apart.

Why did I “save myself” for my future husband? So that I could give him the “gift” of my virginity? Psh, like a feminist like me would ever think in such a fashion! No, I did it for me and for the relationship I expected to have one day. It wasn’t about giving my hymen or what-not but about simply not wanting to connect so intimately with someone who wasn’t investing their life into me. That seems almost selfish in light of this other way of thinking, but I expected I’d marry a wise kind of guy and that he would likely do the same for himself. When I met who I am married to today, I found that he had also not wanted to invest so much in someone who wouldn’t be around for good, and I was happy about that.

The only thing we gave each other was, well, each other. The only magic to being virgins was that we got to experience the newness together and didn’t have to worry about old memories popping up or something like that. Of course, OF COURSE, we still had to worry about pregnancy and -yes, omg- STIs! Stupid conservatives! People can be born with those too ya know!

]]> By: VGC http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155486 VGC Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:54:48 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155486 I meant 'your', not 'you're in my post above. I meant ‘your’, not ‘you’re in my post above.

]]> By: VGC http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155485 VGC Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:54:06 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155485 @Mold So if a woman is fertile, that must mean that all of her daughters are fertile too!!! So by that logic, every woman who is born is fertile and no one is barren because they wouldn't have been born in the first place!!! You're logic sure is flawless /sarcasm @Mold
So if a woman is fertile, that must mean that all of her daughters are fertile too!!! So by that logic, every woman who is born is fertile and no one is barren because they wouldn’t have been born in the first place!!!

You’re logic sure is flawless
/sarcasm

]]> By: Mold http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155441 Mold Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:54:53 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155441 Simple...look at the wife's Mom. That's what you'll get in X years. Works closer to the female...possibly because paternity is somewhat iffy. If the cow won't breed...get another... There is also the purchase of children..... Simple…look at the wife’s Mom. That’s what you’ll get in X years. Works closer to the female…possibly because paternity is somewhat iffy.

If the cow won’t breed…get another…

There is also the purchase of children…..

]]> By: Jasi http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155376 Jasi Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:08:43 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155376 What's so fabs about being a virgin anyway? My first time sucked. (Most of my girlfriends concur about their own). What’s so fabs about being a virgin anyway? My first time sucked. (Most of my girlfriends concur about their own).

]]> By: Marle http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155355 Marle Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:48:40 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155355 Mold, buying a purebred dog is a luxury purchase. "Buying" a wife in a dirt-poor rural area that you're describing is not. If your dog turns out to be barren, then you just have a very expensive pet. If your wife turns out to be barren, and you expected her to make lots of children to carry on your name, <i>children that have to work on your farm to keep it going</i>, that's a much bigger problem. Especially when you've sold the most value things you had, including your sister, to get her in the first place. So, not only are those practices sexist and cruel, they're stupid. Besides, why do wives ever have to be purchased anyways? In that situation, women probably need husbands at least as much if not more than men need wives, so why can't you just let everyone pick for themselves instead of selling her like a slave? Mold, buying a purebred dog is a luxury purchase. “Buying” a wife in a dirt-poor rural area that you’re describing is not. If your dog turns out to be barren, then you just have a very expensive pet. If your wife turns out to be barren, and you expected her to make lots of children to carry on your name, children that have to work on your farm to keep it going, that’s a much bigger problem. Especially when you’ve sold the most value things you had, including your sister, to get her in the first place. So, not only are those practices sexist and cruel, they’re stupid. Besides, why do wives ever have to be purchased anyways? In that situation, women probably need husbands at least as much if not more than men need wives, so why can’t you just let everyone pick for themselves instead of selling her like a slave?

]]> By: SoE http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155327 SoE Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:42:34 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155327 @ EoL: Even though we're talking about developed countries, some <a href="http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/lasvegas2.html" rel="nofollow">Las Vegas hospital</a> just found out syringes were used more than once and not sterilized in between. Every hospital will at some point find a charge of blood that was not tested. Living in a developed country means you minimize the risk, not that mistakes will never happen again. Further I am not talking bout a toilet trying to grab and put a disease on you. But viruses and bacteria are nasty little creatures of which you only need one and a compromised immune system to get 100.000 of them and a proper disease. The invention of underpants and use of water, soap and sinks before and after a visit to the toilet have let to decreasing numbers of infection, not their abolition. @ EoL:
Even though we’re talking about developed countries, some Las Vegas hospital just found out syringes were used more than once and not sterilized in between. Every hospital will at some point find a charge of blood that was not tested. Living in a developed country means you minimize the risk, not that mistakes will never happen again.
Further I am not talking bout a toilet trying to grab and put a disease on you. But viruses and bacteria are nasty little creatures of which you only need one and a compromised immune system to get 100.000 of them and a proper disease. The invention of underpants and use of water, soap and sinks before and after a visit to the toilet have let to decreasing numbers of infection, not their abolition.

]]> By: TJ http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155214 TJ Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:54:06 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155214 Ok, so I had no idea what a hymen was, so I had to go *ahem* digging. On the internet. I kind of figured it was a membrane, but thought it would be inside. Thanks to Poetry for clearing that up. Even so, reading some stuff on the origin and form still didn't help. I found this gallery of hymens in different "states", with descriptions. Wow. That helps. http://healthystrokes.com/hymengallery.html Ok, so I had no idea what a hymen was, so I had to go *ahem* digging. On the internet. I kind of figured it was a membrane, but thought it would be inside. Thanks to Poetry for clearing that up. Even so, reading some stuff on the origin and form still didn’t help. I found this gallery of hymens in different “states”, with descriptions. Wow. That helps.

http://healthystrokes.com/hymengallery.html

]]> By: Mold http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155123 Mold Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:23:45 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155123 alyssa, Do like dog breeders, check the bloodlines. alyssa,

Do like dog breeders, check the bloodlines.

]]> By: scootermom http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155099 scootermom Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:00:17 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/02/so-will-re-claiming-my-status-as-a-college-freshman-get-me-out-of-these-law-school-loans/#comment-155099 In law school we decided that we had become "common law virgins." Hey, if worked for marriage, why not sex? A person who hasn't had sex in a significant period of time can reclaim virginity. In law school we decided that we had become “common law virgins.”

Hey, if worked for marriage, why not sex? A person who hasn’t had sex in a significant period of time can reclaim virginity.

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