Comments on: Come on… why do you have to make such a big deal out of racist, sexist behavior? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:00:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: nails http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-189102 nails Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:22:00 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-189102 I think the staff acted realllly innapropriatley and the actions of the man were clearly sexist but I guess I didnt see any blatant racism from the man who assaulted and threatened her. ???Did i miss something? I think the staff acted realllly innapropriatley and the actions of the man were clearly sexist but I guess I didnt see any blatant racism from the man who assaulted and threatened her. ???Did i miss something?

]]> By: No Kissing Allowed . . . Unless, Of Course, You’re Straight : The Curvature http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-179469 No Kissing Allowed . . . Unless, Of Course, You’re Straight : The Curvature Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:49:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-179469 [...] all of the cases where very real complaints involving imminent danger are ignored and mocked by authority figures, it seems that those same [...] [...] all of the cases where very real complaints involving imminent danger are ignored and mocked by authority figures, it seems that those same [...]

]]> By: Shannon Thomas http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-171084 Shannon Thomas Sat, 03 May 2008 04:16:28 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-171084 Yes this guy acted like a complete ass probably and the women was justified. Should there be a huge inquiry and lawsuits, and a media circus? Assholes make us stronger and will always be there. Not everything is some conspiracy and the lady talking about the men looking at pictures of naked women has to realize that it is natural. Although not on the topic is the fact that people ignore that we are animals and the biology of men is different than women. Just like in the wild men naturally only care about food and sex and not all the things us woman cherish. Yes this guy acted like a complete ass probably and the women was justified. Should there be a huge inquiry and lawsuits, and a media circus? Assholes make us stronger and will always be there. Not everything is some conspiracy and the lady talking about the men looking at pictures of naked women has to realize that it is natural. Although not on the topic is the fact that people ignore that we are animals and the biology of men is different than women. Just like in the wild men naturally only care about food and sex and not all the things us woman cherish.

]]> By: Daughter of the Ring of Fire - Another Reason Not To Fly Southwest http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-157528 Daughter of the Ring of Fire - Another Reason Not To Fly Southwest Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:47:48 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-157528 [...] A woman was insulted, assaulted, and threatened after daring to tell the man next to her to give her a little space instead of sitting in the pose of entitlement (as I called it whenever I saw men on the New York subway sitting like they had basketballs instead of human male balls, especially when the train was crowded). When she reported this to the flight attendants, she was first laughed at and then lectured by the steward-supervisor for cussing in response to the insult. (Note that both Southwest employees were women and, like the assailant, white, while the woman attacked was Asian). Full details of the incident here, along with a smart analysis by the woman on whom this was perpetrated (found via Feministe). [...] [...] A woman was insulted, assaulted, and threatened after daring to tell the man next to her to give her a little space instead of sitting in the pose of entitlement (as I called it whenever I saw men on the New York subway sitting like they had basketballs instead of human male balls, especially when the train was crowded). When she reported this to the flight attendants, she was first laughed at and then lectured by the steward-supervisor for cussing in response to the insult. (Note that both Southwest employees were women and, like the assailant, white, while the woman attacked was Asian). Full details of the incident here, along with a smart analysis by the woman on whom this was perpetrated (found via Feministe). [...]

]]> By: compartments http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156292 compartments Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:51:55 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156292 Nobody ever accuses men of being too sensitive and emotional. Imagine if people could describe the situation this way: "Even though he's a "big boy" who should've been able to handle hearing the f-word, he let his emotions take over and got all bent out of shape and hysterical over it, grabbing her like that and threatening to hit her. Men are just not rational beings. They're too emotional and always perceive that they're being victimized so they're easily prone to anger and violence. And they can be really petty and childish too. If he were a rational female, he would've been mature and considerate about sharing a small space with other people." But no, the consensus, as usual, will remain that he was totally justified. Nobody ever accuses men of being too sensitive and emotional. Imagine if people could describe the situation this way:

“Even though he’s a “big boy” who should’ve been able to handle hearing the f-word, he let his emotions take over and got all bent out of shape and hysterical over it, grabbing her like that and threatening to hit her. Men are just not rational beings. They’re too emotional and always perceive that they’re being victimized so they’re easily prone to anger and violence. And they can be really petty and childish too. If he were a rational female, he would’ve been mature and considerate about sharing a small space with other people.”

But no, the consensus, as usual, will remain that he was totally justified.

]]> By: L-K http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156132 L-K Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:31:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156132 Another reason why Southwest is a no-no: <a href="http://http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/06/southwest.planes/index.html?section=cnn_latest" rel="nofollow"> it flew at least 117 planes deemed non-flyable and unsafe </a> and the Federal Aviation Association is <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/06/news/companies/faa_southwest.ap/index.htm?section=money_latest" rel="nofollow">seeking at least $3 million in fines</a> (they gave a range of $3-36 million, but the upper range is unlikely) for failure to do required inspections on their planes. Karma anyone? Another reason why Southwest is a no-no: it flew at least 117 planes deemed non-flyable and unsafe and the Federal Aviation Association is seeking at least $3 million in fines (they gave a range of $3-36 million, but the upper range is unlikely) for failure to do required inspections on their planes. Karma anyone?

]]> By: Becks http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156070 Becks Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:26:19 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156070 I had to fly to LA from Florida for work once. I'm an admin assist. and was required to attend a deposition. I don't fly alot. Have no real experience with "seat courtesy". The few flights I had been on previously were with my husband and we kind of huddled together to eash each other's discomfort. Flying alone- I just assumed most people keep to themselves and try to impede as little as possible on those around them. Silly little secretary. When I got on the plane in Florida, I had the middle seat. Window guy was already there- magazime out and reading. I don't pay him much attention- although he's kind of a big guy. I sit down quickly- buckle in, get out my book and read- trying very hard to be as small as possible. Aisle guy gets there- also a big dude- sits down and pulls out his lap top- gets to work (or so I think.) When I look up a few minutes later, the magazine window guy is reading isn't the skymall- but something with naked women posing in an explicit manner. I avert my eyes- I'm pretty shocked at this point. Look over at aisle guy- and he's watching a sex video on his laptop. I was completely weirded out and had no idea what to do. After takeoff- I got up and stayed near the bathroom the entire flight. I just couldn't sit down in my seat even after window guy and aisle guy had put their "stuff" away. Frankly- I was embarrassed and really couldn't even bring myself to say something to the flight personel. When I got to Dallas, I was so happy to find that my connecting flight to LA had me seated with a little old lady- who's only problem seemed to be her inability to keep her finger out of her nose. All I remember thinking is "good god- is this how people really act on planes? No wonder everyone hates to fly." I had to fly to LA from Florida for work once. I’m an admin assist. and was required to attend a deposition. I don’t fly alot. Have no real experience with “seat courtesy”. The few flights I had been on previously were with my husband and we kind of huddled together to eash each other’s discomfort. Flying alone- I just assumed most people keep to themselves and try to impede as little as possible on those around them. Silly little secretary.

When I got on the plane in Florida, I had the middle seat. Window guy was already there- magazime out and reading. I don’t pay him much attention- although he’s kind of a big guy. I sit down quickly- buckle in, get out my book and read- trying very hard to be as small as possible. Aisle guy gets there- also a big dude- sits down and pulls out his lap top- gets to work (or so I think.) When I look up a few minutes later, the magazine window guy is reading isn’t the skymall- but something with naked women posing in an explicit manner. I avert my eyes- I’m pretty shocked at this point. Look over at aisle guy- and he’s watching a sex video on his laptop. I was completely weirded out and had no idea what to do.

After takeoff- I got up and stayed near the bathroom the entire flight. I just couldn’t sit down in my seat even after window guy and aisle guy had put their “stuff” away. Frankly- I was embarrassed and really couldn’t even bring myself to say something to the flight personel. When I got to Dallas, I was so happy to find that my connecting flight to LA had me seated with a little old lady- who’s only problem seemed to be her inability to keep her finger out of her nose. All I remember thinking is “good god- is this how people really act on planes? No wonder everyone hates to fly.”

]]> By: Less Lee Moore http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156055 Less Lee Moore Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:01:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-156055 I don't know what was more sickening: her story or the ignorant comments/responses to it on the other website. I felt so horrified and powerless just READING it; I can't imagine what she must have felt like. I don’t know what was more sickening: her story or the ignorant comments/responses to it on the other website.

I felt so horrified and powerless just READING it; I can’t imagine what she must have felt like.

]]> By: hannah http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-155969 hannah Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:38:34 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-155969 but either way, she should be more spicific, because when she does use general terms, it detracts from her main statement about the system (which i agree is often biased in favor of whites) but either way, she should be more spicific, because when she does use general terms, it detracts from her main statement about the system (which i agree is often biased in favor of whites)

]]> By: Holly http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-155966 Holly Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:18:48 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/04/come-on-why-do-you-have-to-make-such-a-big-deal-out-of-racist-sexist-behavior/#comment-155966 The vast majority of her comments about whiteness in that article are not about any individual white people save for the four other people in the story. They're about the racist, "white people on top" structure and inherent biases of the society we live in -- which, like it or not, no matter what you personally believe or how color-blind you'd like to be, is as inescapable as the air we breathe. Critiquing the racist power structure, and pointing out that it exists for the benefit of all white people, rather than playing some sort of more feel-good "racism affects everyone equally" kind of tune, is not an indictment of any individual. Individual white people can be quite sincerely anti-racist in their views, never think less of a person of color or utter a prejudiced word, and they, like all of us, will still be part of a system that benefits some people and punishes others on the basis of our skin color. And though she does call out "white people" in a generalized way two or three times in that essay, most of what she's talking about is the system. The vast majority of her comments about whiteness in that article are not about any individual white people save for the four other people in the story. They’re about the racist, “white people on top” structure and inherent biases of the society we live in — which, like it or not, no matter what you personally believe or how color-blind you’d like to be, is as inescapable as the air we breathe. Critiquing the racist power structure, and pointing out that it exists for the benefit of all white people, rather than playing some sort of more feel-good “racism affects everyone equally” kind of tune, is not an indictment of any individual. Individual white people can be quite sincerely anti-racist in their views, never think less of a person of color or utter a prejudiced word, and they, like all of us, will still be part of a system that benefits some people and punishes others on the basis of our skin color. And though she does call out “white people” in a generalized way two or three times in that essay, most of what she’s talking about is the system.

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