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	<title>Comments on: The sister-punishers are out in force</title>
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		<title>By: bmc90</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/12/the-sister-punishers-are-out-in-force/#comment-158451</link>
		<dc:creator>bmc90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you start feeling attracted to other people and you are in a long term committed relationship you value, I&#039;d run, not walk to couples therapy.  If your partner won&#039;t go, that says volumes about that person&#039;s commitment versus yours (or ability to engage in self-examination/criticism/change).  If there is something wrong in the bedroom, I guarantee there is something wrong outside it that is at least excacerbating the situation.  You may never make it perfect, but you can almost always make it better IF both people want to.  Many of the posters above have valid points about one&#039;s obligations in a committed relationship.  It is never ok to cheat, but with couples who report only having sex biannually, what do they think is likely to happen eventually?  One person will someday meet someone who really turns them on and by then the relationship will have been bad for a long time and thus much harder to fix; it will look a lot easier to just have the affair.  The oldest trick in the book is to treat someone like dirt, kill their desire for you, then blame them for being cold.  A good couples theapist will smoke this out, and that&#039;s why most abusive people won&#039;t go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you start feeling attracted to other people and you are in a long term committed relationship you value, I&#8217;d run, not walk to couples therapy.  If your partner won&#8217;t go, that says volumes about that person&#8217;s commitment versus yours (or ability to engage in self-examination/criticism/change).  If there is something wrong in the bedroom, I guarantee there is something wrong outside it that is at least excacerbating the situation.  You may never make it perfect, but you can almost always make it better IF both people want to.  Many of the posters above have valid points about one&#8217;s obligations in a committed relationship.  It is never ok to cheat, but with couples who report only having sex biannually, what do they think is likely to happen eventually?  One person will someday meet someone who really turns them on and by then the relationship will have been bad for a long time and thus much harder to fix; it will look a lot easier to just have the affair.  The oldest trick in the book is to treat someone like dirt, kill their desire for you, then blame them for being cold.  A good couples theapist will smoke this out, and that&#8217;s why most abusive people won&#8217;t go.</p>
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		<title>By: Danakitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danakitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people - or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I&#039;ll allow that there may be some exceptions, as in your case (though I wonder if you could get your partner to be kinkier if you would still feel that way), but for the most part I believe cheating is still as a result of relationship problems, not sex. Poor communication in the bedroom still counts as poor communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people &#8211; or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ll allow that there may be some exceptions, as in your case (though I wonder if you could get your partner to be kinkier if you would still feel that way), but for the most part I believe cheating is still as a result of relationship problems, not sex. Poor communication in the bedroom still counts as poor communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/12/the-sister-punishers-are-out-in-force/#comment-157792</link>
		<dc:creator>Mnemosyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(And it’s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don’t know how to “fix” our sex life)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You need to have an open relationship, which unfortunately means you probably can&#039;t stay with your current partner, because it sounds like he wants a monogamous relationship.

Sucks, but life is like that sometimes, and why make him miserable over something you can&#039;t change about yourself?  Find someone who doesn&#039;t mind having an open relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(And it’s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don’t know how to “fix” our sex life)</p></blockquote>
<p>You need to have an open relationship, which unfortunately means you probably can&#8217;t stay with your current partner, because it sounds like he wants a monogamous relationship.</p>
<p>Sucks, but life is like that sometimes, and why make him miserable over something you can&#8217;t change about yourself?  Find someone who doesn&#8217;t mind having an open relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people - or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. I cheated when I was overseas, and he forgave me. I will not do it again. But that does not mean I do not want to have sex with other people! (And it’s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don’t know how to “fix” our sex life)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dana, 

I&#039;m basically the same way. I am fully capable of a monogamous relationship, but I really don&#039;t  believe I am monogamous. BUT, instead of cheating, I&#039;m just open and honest with my partners, as they are with me. I really don&#039;t understand the thought-process behind being involved with someone that you can&#039;t be yourself with. So much suffering could be avoided if people would just be honest with themselves and each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people &#8211; or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. I cheated when I was overseas, and he forgave me. I will not do it again. But that does not mean I do not want to have sex with other people! (And it’s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don’t know how to “fix” our sex life)</p></blockquote>
<p>Dana, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m basically the same way. I am fully capable of a monogamous relationship, but I really don&#8217;t  believe I am monogamous. BUT, instead of cheating, I&#8217;m just open and honest with my partners, as they are with me. I really don&#8217;t understand the thought-process behind being involved with someone that you can&#8217;t be yourself with. So much suffering could be avoided if people would just be honest with themselves and each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Umm… any good sex therapist would explain that problems in the bedroom are just the tip of the iceberg. People don’t cheat because their sex life sucks. They cheat because they aren’t communicating, they’re not in love anymore, they’re unhappy at work/home/etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Look, I disagree. I posted something similar on Feministing but I can&#039;t resist doing it again - I love my partner, he&#039;s great in bed, we enjoy each other&#039;s company... Our sex life has lapsed terribly since we have too many animals and work too many hours but for the first few years we had a lot of fantastic sex. 

I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people - or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. I cheated when I was overseas, and he forgave me. I will not do it again. But that does not mean I do not want to have sex with other people! (And it&#039;s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don&#039;t know how to &quot;fix&quot; our sex life)

Obviously long-term cheating shows a complete lack of respect for your partner and/or cowardice on your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Umm… any good sex therapist would explain that problems in the bedroom are just the tip of the iceberg. People don’t cheat because their sex life sucks. They cheat because they aren’t communicating, they’re not in love anymore, they’re unhappy at work/home/etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>Look, I disagree. I posted something similar on Feministing but I can&#8217;t resist doing it again &#8211; I love my partner, he&#8217;s great in bed, we enjoy each other&#8217;s company&#8230; Our sex life has lapsed terribly since we have too many animals and work too many hours but for the first few years we had a lot of fantastic sex. </p>
<p>I want to have sex with other people because most of what turns me on is having sex with new people &#8211; or in new ways, and my partner is not the least bit kinky. I cheated when I was overseas, and he forgave me. I will not do it again. But that does not mean I do not want to have sex with other people! (And it&#8217;s hard; I feel terrible for being attracted to other people and don&#8217;t know how to &#8220;fix&#8221; our sex life)</p>
<p>Obviously long-term cheating shows a complete lack of respect for your partner and/or cowardice on your part.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Cindy Adams:  Just great!  That&#039;s the marriage every woman dreams of - one where her husband respects her so much that he&#039;s not interested in asking anything of her in the bedroom.  It&#039;s funny how she said that directly following a comment about how sex is the most overwhelming drive ever, apparently for all human beings - but for some reason not for any of those human beings who are actually wives; &lt;em&gt;wives&lt;/em&gt; are happy to be relieved of the chore.

&lt;em&gt;Not sure all the posters here are aware just how tough it is to stay physically excited with the same person for 20 or 30 years…)&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ll be married twenty years this April.

&lt;em&gt;So, while I’d be devastated if she strayed, I would understand it intellectually.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;understand it intellectually.&quot;  Of course I &quot;understand intellectually&quot; why people stray, in terms of seeing what they get out of it.  I just think it&#039;s sleazy.

&lt;em&gt;Would you blame her the same way you would blame a man (as all the discussion is about so far) ?&lt;/em&gt;

Absolutely.  And I deserve to be blamed if I do it to my husband.  Regardless of what he is or isn&#039;t doing with me in bed.

&lt;em&gt;how can you say your partner has an obligation to be faithful (i.e. do something for your happiness) while rejecting any obligation to keep your partner happy on your part?&lt;/em&gt;

Because we all have an obligation to be truthful and keep our promises.  Because, if your marriage isn&#039;t working for you, you at least have a moral obligation to be open and above board about what you intend to do about the fact that it isn&#039;t working for you, so that your partner, in turn, can have all the information she needs to decide that, say, the fact that you&#039;re off barebacking multiple prostitutes is a dealbreaker for her.

One person wants some sexual act that the other one doesn&#039;t want to partake of?  Open negotiation?  One person goes off and gets that sex act from other people without telling the other he&#039;s not being faithful as agreed?  Not so much.  It&#039;s not that hard a moral distinction to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Cindy Adams:  Just great!  That&#8217;s the marriage every woman dreams of &#8211; one where her husband respects her so much that he&#8217;s not interested in asking anything of her in the bedroom.  It&#8217;s funny how she said that directly following a comment about how sex is the most overwhelming drive ever, apparently for all human beings &#8211; but for some reason not for any of those human beings who are actually wives; <em>wives</em> are happy to be relieved of the chore.</p>
<p><em>Not sure all the posters here are aware just how tough it is to stay physically excited with the same person for 20 or 30 years…)</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be married twenty years this April.</p>
<p><em>So, while I’d be devastated if she strayed, I would understand it intellectually.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;understand it intellectually.&#8221;  Of course I &#8220;understand intellectually&#8221; why people stray, in terms of seeing what they get out of it.  I just think it&#8217;s sleazy.</p>
<p><em>Would you blame her the same way you would blame a man (as all the discussion is about so far) ?</em></p>
<p>Absolutely.  And I deserve to be blamed if I do it to my husband.  Regardless of what he is or isn&#8217;t doing with me in bed.</p>
<p><em>how can you say your partner has an obligation to be faithful (i.e. do something for your happiness) while rejecting any obligation to keep your partner happy on your part?</em></p>
<p>Because we all have an obligation to be truthful and keep our promises.  Because, if your marriage isn&#8217;t working for you, you at least have a moral obligation to be open and above board about what you intend to do about the fact that it isn&#8217;t working for you, so that your partner, in turn, can have all the information she needs to decide that, say, the fact that you&#8217;re off barebacking multiple prostitutes is a dealbreaker for her.</p>
<p>One person wants some sexual act that the other one doesn&#8217;t want to partake of?  Open negotiation?  One person goes off and gets that sex act from other people without telling the other he&#8217;s not being faithful as agreed?  Not so much.  It&#8217;s not that hard a moral distinction to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zadig, #5, &lt;em&gt;thanks for the link! &lt;/em&gt; I had no idea!  In these parts, the Bob Jones University people still respectfully refer to her as &quot;an Orthodox Jew&quot;--which gave her additional  authority in fundie circles.  And I&#039;ve been suspicious of that statement ever since I saw her on live TV on a Friday night ... you certainly &lt;em&gt;won&#039;t see &lt;/em&gt;Michael Medved on live TV on Friday night!  

Fascinating how she just quietly disassociated, after all the self-righteous noise over the conversion.  Again, thanks so much for the link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zadig, #5, <em>thanks for the link! </em> I had no idea!  In these parts, the Bob Jones University people still respectfully refer to her as &#8220;an Orthodox Jew&#8221;&#8211;which gave her additional  authority in fundie circles.  And I&#8217;ve been suspicious of that statement ever since I saw her on live TV on a Friday night &#8230; you certainly <em>won&#8217;t see </em>Michael Medved on live TV on Friday night!  </p>
<p>Fascinating how she just quietly disassociated, after all the self-righteous noise over the conversion.  Again, thanks so much for the link!</p>
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		<title>By: Unree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have a link saying how we know which acts Spitzer bought, or tried to buy?  I googled &quot;spitzer anal&quot; with no result except a few jokes plus speculation from Heidi Fleiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone have a link saying how we know which acts Spitzer bought, or tried to buy?  I googled &#8220;spitzer anal&#8221; with no result except a few jokes plus speculation from Heidi Fleiss.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spitzer missed something in his statement yesterday:

http://blog.cleveland.com/lifestyles/2008/03/spitzer_has_one_more_apology_t.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spitzer missed something in his statement yesterday:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.cleveland.com/lifestyles/2008/03/spitzer_has_one_more_apology_t.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.cleveland.com/lifestyles/2008/03/spitzer_has_one_more_apology_t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danakitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danakitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm... any good sex therapist would explain that problems in the bedroom are just the tip of the iceberg. People don&#039;t cheat because their sex life sucks. They cheat because they aren&#039;t communicating, they&#039;re not in love anymore, they&#039;re unhappy at work/home/etc. 

Perpetuating the myth that men cheat because their wives weren&#039;t providing (or vice versa) only excuses the abuser and doesn&#039;t seek to solve the problem by creating and cultivating a healthy relationship. 

And if there is some sort of fetish, there are LOADS of ways to work around and up to a fetish. The important part, again, is communication and understanding. Maybe your fetish won&#039;t be fulfilled to its extent, but you can always indulge in fantasy (in this case, compromise is key). 

If you have a fetish for expensive prostitutes and won&#039;t settle for less, don&#039;t f*ing get married, damnit. 

Again... 

Cheating: IT&#039;S NOT ABOUT THE SEX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230; any good sex therapist would explain that problems in the bedroom are just the tip of the iceberg. People don&#8217;t cheat because their sex life sucks. They cheat because they aren&#8217;t communicating, they&#8217;re not in love anymore, they&#8217;re unhappy at work/home/etc. </p>
<p>Perpetuating the myth that men cheat because their wives weren&#8217;t providing (or vice versa) only excuses the abuser and doesn&#8217;t seek to solve the problem by creating and cultivating a healthy relationship. </p>
<p>And if there is some sort of fetish, there are LOADS of ways to work around and up to a fetish. The important part, again, is communication and understanding. Maybe your fetish won&#8217;t be fulfilled to its extent, but you can always indulge in fantasy (in this case, compromise is key). </p>
<p>If you have a fetish for expensive prostitutes and won&#8217;t settle for less, don&#8217;t f*ing get married, damnit. </p>
<p>Again&#8230; </p>
<p>Cheating: IT&#8217;S NOT ABOUT THE SEX.</p>
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