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		<title>By: anythings.org » The consequences of rape cover-ups</title>
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		<dc:creator>anythings.org » The consequences of rape cover-ups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with stories relating to rapes that have been covered up by the military and KBR (and KBR, again), immigration officials, and many more. The coverage of rape myths has continued to remain popular, despite the thousands [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with stories relating to rapes that have been covered up by the military and KBR (and KBR, again), immigration officials, and many more. The coverage of rape myths has continued to remain popular, despite the thousands [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cecily</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159952</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I was trying not to be That Feminist that jumps on other feminists for tiny &quot;infractions&quot;...but I also expected a slew of posts to push this one off the front page. So I&#039;ll &#039;fess up: the title of this post bothers me. I don&#039;t think the fact that she&#039;s married changes the gravity of what the asshole did one iota, whereas the title seems to imply its worse because she&#039;s married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I was trying not to be That Feminist that jumps on other feminists for tiny &#8220;infractions&#8221;&#8230;but I also expected a slew of posts to push this one off the front page. So I&#8217;ll &#8216;fess up: the title of this post bothers me. I don&#8217;t think the fact that she&#8217;s married changes the gravity of what the asshole did one iota, whereas the title seems to imply its worse because she&#8217;s married.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of thing really scares me, because although I am a citizen, my certificate of naturalization was lost when I moved houses, and I am very, very worried about the process I am going to have to go through in replacing it. There is so much abuse of power going on at all levels in that system that it&#039;s frightening; immigration officials can act unreasonable if they want, and there is no one to stop them 

As as someone who has been subject to this system - I live in constant fear. I have been lucky so far, but as an immigrant, you hear all sorts of bad stories, and you never know whether or not you are next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing really scares me, because although I am a citizen, my certificate of naturalization was lost when I moved houses, and I am very, very worried about the process I am going to have to go through in replacing it. There is so much abuse of power going on at all levels in that system that it&#8217;s frightening; immigration officials can act unreasonable if they want, and there is no one to stop them </p>
<p>As as someone who has been subject to this system &#8211; I live in constant fear. I have been lucky so far, but as an immigrant, you hear all sorts of bad stories, and you never know whether or not you are next.</p>
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		<title>By: Colombo</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159787</link>
		<dc:creator>Colombo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visit any office of the Immigration &amp; Naturalization Service (INS) near you. You’ll see how intimidated the applicants are by even the pettiest of functionaries. For example, everyone in the waiting room says “Good Morning” when one of these officials walks in! No wonder such transgressions happen. You know, “power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

Perhaps we need a private intermediary between the INS and would-be immigrants. Like H&amp;R Block or Jackson-Hewitt for the IRS. For a “small” fee, the customers can be frank without having to grovel. Whether or not an applicant&#039;s case has any merit, he or she should be able to transact with the INS as if it were a mere bank or post office, not the Spanish Inquisition!

As for this creep, I have seen way too many Charles Bronson movies to wait for legal justice. Instead, I hope that the Columbians in NYC are sufficiently offended by this insult to one of their own and take the law into their own hands. 

First Get Mr. Baichu to service several guys (in the same way he imposed himself on this woman) straight from the Larry Craig Lounge. Then dab his rear with the secretions from a mare in heat and then expose his nates to a stud horse raring to go (I&#039;ll leave the technical details to experts). Just in case he enjoys the proceedings so far, gently roast his chestnuts with a plumber’s blow torch; when tender, spray muriatic acid by way of cooling things down. Finally, send him off with a “Columbian necktie” (I’ll let the gentle reader to look this one up). 

Back to the real world, I am surprised the victim has not sued the offender in civil court, for pain and suffering.  Let&#039;s face it: she was raped.  Yes, she could have walked away, but put yourself in her position.  Young, uneducated, facing a manipulative Edward G. Robinson look-alike.  For the sake of argument, let&#039;s say she was Baichu&#039;s date; even then this would be a rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visit any office of the Immigration &amp; Naturalization Service (INS) near you. You’ll see how intimidated the applicants are by even the pettiest of functionaries. For example, everyone in the waiting room says “Good Morning” when one of these officials walks in! No wonder such transgressions happen. You know, “power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”.</p>
<p>Perhaps we need a private intermediary between the INS and would-be immigrants. Like H&amp;R Block or Jackson-Hewitt for the IRS. For a “small” fee, the customers can be frank without having to grovel. Whether or not an applicant&#8217;s case has any merit, he or she should be able to transact with the INS as if it were a mere bank or post office, not the Spanish Inquisition!</p>
<p>As for this creep, I have seen way too many Charles Bronson movies to wait for legal justice. Instead, I hope that the Columbians in NYC are sufficiently offended by this insult to one of their own and take the law into their own hands. </p>
<p>First Get Mr. Baichu to service several guys (in the same way he imposed himself on this woman) straight from the Larry Craig Lounge. Then dab his rear with the secretions from a mare in heat and then expose his nates to a stud horse raring to go (I&#8217;ll leave the technical details to experts). Just in case he enjoys the proceedings so far, gently roast his chestnuts with a plumber’s blow torch; when tender, spray muriatic acid by way of cooling things down. Finally, send him off with a “Columbian necktie” (I’ll let the gentle reader to look this one up). </p>
<p>Back to the real world, I am surprised the victim has not sued the offender in civil court, for pain and suffering.  Let&#8217;s face it: she was raped.  Yes, she could have walked away, but put yourself in her position.  Young, uneducated, facing a manipulative Edward G. Robinson look-alike.  For the sake of argument, let&#8217;s say she was Baichu&#8217;s date; even then this would be a rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecily</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159785</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woohoo! Finally a chance to trot out my &quot;why sex under coercion is rape&quot; argument.

So, this usually starts somewhere different, like submission to intercourse under blackmail. But in this case, it&#039;s oral sex. Okay. So you (&quot;Are You Kidding?&quot;) have already done the first part of my &quot;why sex under coercion is rape&quot; thought experiment. You&#039;ve admitted that she &quot;had to&quot; submit if the perp held a gun to her head.  

Alright then, how about if he held a gun to her stomach? After all, there&#039;s a good chance of surviving that if you get care.
Her hand?
Her knee? 

Are you starting to feel the inadequacy of your position to judge? It&#039;s NOT your hand, your knee or your greencard that the gun is pointed at. You don&#039;t know what the threat meant to the victim and you have no right to make the decision for her.

She, however, has the right not to have to make that kind of decision, which this asshole abrogated.  

If anyone can listen to that tape, to her begging and pleading to be allowed to go, and him insisting it&#039;s the only way to &quot;know she&#039;s serious&quot;, and say she didn&#039;t act under extreme duress, I&#039;d be pretty shocked. The guy has irrational amounts of power and is unafraid of ruining her life in whatever way he can.

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On the larger recent question of the husband: I have to admit, I can think of a good reason for the husband to be mad. If my intimate partner went through something like this and didn&#039;t ask for my help or tell me, I think anger and  frustration would be pretty natural and I can&#039;t blame someone for walking out under the initial onset of those emotions. If that&#039;s the case, he isn&#039;t necessarily a huge jerk and I hope he came back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woohoo! Finally a chance to trot out my &#8220;why sex under coercion is rape&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>So, this usually starts somewhere different, like submission to intercourse under blackmail. But in this case, it&#8217;s oral sex. Okay. So you (&#8220;Are You Kidding?&#8221;) have already done the first part of my &#8220;why sex under coercion is rape&#8221; thought experiment. You&#8217;ve admitted that she &#8220;had to&#8221; submit if the perp held a gun to her head.  </p>
<p>Alright then, how about if he held a gun to her stomach? After all, there&#8217;s a good chance of surviving that if you get care.<br />
Her hand?<br />
Her knee? </p>
<p>Are you starting to feel the inadequacy of your position to judge? It&#8217;s NOT your hand, your knee or your greencard that the gun is pointed at. You don&#8217;t know what the threat meant to the victim and you have no right to make the decision for her.</p>
<p>She, however, has the right not to have to make that kind of decision, which this asshole abrogated.  </p>
<p>If anyone can listen to that tape, to her begging and pleading to be allowed to go, and him insisting it&#8217;s the only way to &#8220;know she&#8217;s serious&#8221;, and say she didn&#8217;t act under extreme duress, I&#8217;d be pretty shocked. The guy has irrational amounts of power and is unafraid of ruining her life in whatever way he can.</p>
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<p>On the larger recent question of the husband: I have to admit, I can think of a good reason for the husband to be mad. If my intimate partner went through something like this and didn&#8217;t ask for my help or tell me, I think anger and  frustration would be pretty natural and I can&#8217;t blame someone for walking out under the initial onset of those emotions. If that&#8217;s the case, he isn&#8217;t necessarily a huge jerk and I hope he came back.</p>
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		<title>By: Are You Kidding?</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159751</link>
		<dc:creator>Are You Kidding?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The agent was totally out of line and if found guilty should be punished accordingly. However, to say that she had no choice is not correct. &lt;strong&gt;She
did NOT have to blow the guy.&lt;/strong&gt; No gun held to her head. 
She made a choice to do so and now has to face the unfortunate consequences,
green card aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agent was totally out of line and if found guilty should be punished accordingly. However, to say that she had no choice is not correct. <strong>She<br />
did NOT have to blow the guy.</strong> No gun held to her head.<br />
She made a choice to do so and now has to face the unfortunate consequences,<br />
green card aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159737</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would serve this guy right if they revoked his citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would serve this guy right if they revoked his citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Danakitty</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159611</link>
		<dc:creator>Danakitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Estella ... she wasn&#039;t given much of a choice. Read the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estella &#8230; she wasn&#8217;t given much of a choice. Read the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Estella</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/21/sex-with-a-married-woman-greencard/#comment-159496</link>
		<dc:creator>Estella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she is going to blow people for promising her a greencard her husband is right to get angry at her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she is going to blow people for promising her a greencard her husband is right to get angry at her.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that too, little cabbage. Hopefully she&#039;ll get her green card anyway without the asshole husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that too, little cabbage. Hopefully she&#8217;ll get her green card anyway without the asshole husband.</p>
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