But it is worthwhile to ask ourselves why many people don’t consider Clinton’s experience as first lady to be “real” foreign policy experience. A lot of diplomacy is, in fact, done via personal relationships and cocktail parties and receptions. Is it less worthy of consideration if you’re the spouse of the president than if you’re in the foreign service?

And this is nothing compared to the amount of business and politics that have historically happened in men-only spaces, which I guess is considered normal because it was guys doing it, eh? A woman being a hostess in her own home must just be a stupid broad, but a young man getting invited to Augusta National is an up-and-comer, learning the savvy world of insider knowledge.

Fuck anyone who can’t see the rabid misogyny in these lines of thinking.

On another note, Obama won alot of states that go Republican in the general election. It is likely they will continue that wat in November. Obama will get the liberal voting states like New York and California, but that is not enough to win the election. And Ted Kennedy should vote for what the people of his state want, not his personal politics. I am praying for a Gore endorsement for Hillary, but I know I am dreaming.

Triska, is it worth ripping apart the dem. party over not nominating a woman? Maybe not, but it is over the DNC’s decision to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan. I am glad Howard Dean never became president after witnessing this massively wrong decision.

Alot of feminists use the excuse that Hillary is unlikable to throw sexist commentary her way. They might as well put on a suit and throw out their purses.

Um, what? I’m a Clinton voter, don’t own a purse, and am wearing a suit right now. WTF is that supposed to be code for?

It is about 1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Zak5J2mvo

Maybe I’ll join the Communist Party, just for shits & giggles. Though that might get me on some watch list somewhere.

Zuzu,

Please consider the Greens sans Nader* or many other third parties……at least most of them do not have blood on their hands through their tacit support of Stalinist/Maoist excesses through the dismissal of first-hand critical accounts of immigrants who actually lived and suffered under the “benevolence” of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist rule.

*Telemarketing shill whose attempted “explanation” for tacking on PIRG fees on student tuition bills without prior consent really turned me off to him. If one feels one’s cause is just, there should be no need to impose fees one has to opt-out of to exercise one’s right to support/not support a given organization/cause.

The argument about following the popular vote also strikes a chord for me though, and I think that’s because the sting of the 2000 of Gore losing the election despite winning the popular vote is still very present. I know I have idealized the popular vote even though it let us down in 2004. There is always that wonder of how different things could have been if Gore won.

For me the fact that it’s so close between Obama and Clinton means they both need to be heard. I’m looking forward to the DNC, but I’m still terrified about the general election. If McCain wins, I hope we don’t end up in some sort of downward spiral of “If MY candidate had won the nomination instead of YOUR candidate, we wouldn’t be in this mess.”

OTOH, I do think that the superdeligate system sucks massively, its one of those ugly aristocratic holdovers best left in the past. If one candidate enters the convention with a majority in real deligates and in the national popular vote, if the superdeligates give the nomination to the other candidate I really do see that tearing the party apart.

I’m an Obama supporter. However, I’ll not only vote for Clinton, but work my ass off to get her elected if she takes the nomination, regardless of how she takes the nomination. But if she wins because the aristocracy gives her the nomination over the wishes of the people it’ll make stirring up the base vastly more difficult and possibly hand the election to McCain; it’ll also leave a foul taste in my mouth when I’m working for her. I hope it doesn’t come to that, I hope the “party elders” see sense and avoid such an outcome, but Clinton comes from the aristocratic branch of the party and I can see them protecting their own against the upstart, and in so doing wreck the whole thing.

If she gets enough real deligates or popular votes to come out over Obama, more power to her. I can’t say it’d be my prefered outcome, but I won’t feel cheated and I won’t feel like I’m betraying my principles when I work to get her elected. But if she can’t manage to get either the popular vote or the majority of the deligates I don’t think it would be good for the party if she got the nomination.