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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: A Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-176291</link>
		<dc:creator>A Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ll certainly keep it in mind.</description>
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		<title>By: Daughter of the Ring of Fire &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh Look, More Sexism on a Supposedly Progressive Website</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-175447</link>
		<dc:creator>Daughter of the Ring of Fire &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh Look, More Sexism on a Supposedly Progressive Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reiterate, I do not support Hillary Clinton. However, videos like this one posted on Alternet have consequences far beyond an attack on single individual. By comparing Senator Clinton to Tonya Harding, the video suggests that any woman who fights for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reiterate, I do not support Hillary Clinton. However, videos like this one posted on Alternet have consequences far beyond an attack on single individual. By comparing Senator Clinton to Tonya Harding, the video suggests that any woman who fights for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » Some of the Right Things</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-173404</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » Some of the Right Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] primary season has been evidence, if more was needed, of that. See Zuzu&#8217;s posts here and here. And I say that as someone who never intended to, and did not, vote for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] primary season has been evidence, if more was needed, of that. See Zuzu&#8217;s posts here and here. And I say that as someone who never intended to, and did not, vote for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Does Feminism Have to Address Race? at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-168999</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Feminism Have to Address Race? at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] illustrate, let&#8217;s take a look at this post from Zuzu on Feministe. I selected this post because it is the least controversial example I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] illustrate, let&#8217;s take a look at this post from Zuzu on Feministe. I selected this post because it is the least controversial example I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: saz</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-166588</link>
		<dc:creator>saz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I am now slightly disturbed by the coverage, particularly Daisy&#039;s idea that: &#039;Obama seems to be getting the same kind of pass, due to race and his unconventional, hard-to-define upbringing&#039; What on earth does that mean? Are we unable to make a decision regardless of race, background and upbringing or is this as racist and clasist as it it seems? &#039;Unconventional&#039; is always shorthand for &#039;oooh something I just don&#039;t understand&#039;...I&#039;m sorry but Hillary is an upper middle class, wealthy woman who made millions from sitting on capitalist boards. 
Personally to me Hillary stands for privilege above all, the upper middle classes above all, power before everything and for god sake don&#039;t let anyone of colour have a viewpoint. This is a woman who led Pennsylvania by 20 and had that halved but somehow that&#039;s still a win. A woman who would rather support her Republican opponent than just say &#039;oh I lost this state for this reason but I won here because I should have.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I am now slightly disturbed by the coverage, particularly Daisy&#8217;s idea that: &#8216;Obama seems to be getting the same kind of pass, due to race and his unconventional, hard-to-define upbringing&#8217; What on earth does that mean? Are we unable to make a decision regardless of race, background and upbringing or is this as racist and clasist as it it seems? &#8216;Unconventional&#8217; is always shorthand for &#8216;oooh something I just don&#8217;t understand&#8217;&#8230;I&#8217;m sorry but Hillary is an upper middle class, wealthy woman who made millions from sitting on capitalist boards.<br />
Personally to me Hillary stands for privilege above all, the upper middle classes above all, power before everything and for god sake don&#8217;t let anyone of colour have a viewpoint. This is a woman who led Pennsylvania by 20 and had that halved but somehow that&#8217;s still a win. A woman who would rather support her Republican opponent than just say &#8216;oh I lost this state for this reason but I won here because I should have.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Muriel Strand</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-165654</link>
		<dc:creator>Muriel Strand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i found your website by googling &quot;sports psychology misogyny&quot;. for reasons you can read about on my website, i don&#039;t have time right now to read your site in depth, but i will bookmark it.

the reason for my search is that one of my opponents is kevin johnson the famous (locally) basketball star. the word on the street is the the SPOA (cops union) endorsed him because they all got to meet with him and get autographs. i have heard other things on the street that make me dig deeper.

muriel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i found your website by googling &#8220;sports psychology misogyny&#8221;. for reasons you can read about on my website, i don&#8217;t have time right now to read your site in depth, but i will bookmark it.</p>
<p>the reason for my search is that one of my opponents is kevin johnson the famous (locally) basketball star. the word on the street is the the SPOA (cops union) endorsed him because they all got to meet with him and get autographs. i have heard other things on the street that make me dig deeper.</p>
<p>muriel</p>
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		<title>By: Top 10: Why I Might Support Obama &#124; Cyborg Yoryie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-165508</link>
		<dc:creator>Top 10: Why I Might Support Obama &#124; Cyborg Yoryie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cyborg is a Misogynist. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And actually though quite a few Latinas including in California support Clinton, they&#039;re not really visible in the coverage of all the &quot;women&quot; who support Clinton either. 

California&#039;s doing the delegate thing tomorrow even in the face of purges by both candidates b/c after all, Californians are just so untrustworthy. They&#039;re all practically at the same time and the Obama one is closer. Most of the people I know who are going out for positions for the convention are women and they&#039;re split between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And actually though quite a few Latinas including in California support Clinton, they&#8217;re not really visible in the coverage of all the &#8220;women&#8221; who support Clinton either. </p>
<p>California&#8217;s doing the delegate thing tomorrow even in the face of purges by both candidates b/c after all, Californians are just so untrustworthy. They&#8217;re all practically at the same time and the Obama one is closer. Most of the people I know who are going out for positions for the convention are women and they&#8217;re split between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/#comment-163972</link>
		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wouldn’t support racist treatment of Senator Obama; so why am I supposed to be okay with sexist treatment of Senator Clinton? I am not okay with it and I hope I never will be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you do speak out against racist treatment of Obama when it happens, right? Because it happens. Where I work, we discuss the latest examples every day. And most of those I work with are women, not men. What else is interesting is how Black women in particular get rendered invisible when it comes to discussing the impact of the involvement of women in the Democratic campaign and election process. When most articles talk about the involvement of women, they talk about Hillary Clinton&#039;s supporters and how an unprecedented number of women are involved solely because she&#039;s running. Yet, buried in these same articles are references made that an unprecedented number of Black women in certain states but also overall are involving themselves in Obama campaign. They&#039;re not viewed as &quot;women&quot; though by these articles and not really included as a focus because they&#039;re not supporting or working for the female candidate. 

The thing to do in this case is to write what&#039;s truth, that an unprecedented number of women are getting involved in this year&#039;s Democratic campaign and election process, regardless of what candidate they support. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;The US is falling behind many countries on how women are perceived as potential leaders, even Chile and Argentina are more progressive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t speak for those countries but the U.S. isn&#039;t really progress in terms of how it sees men of color and women (incuding women of color) as potential leaders. After all, even though White women might not be seen as potential leaders to the extent of White men (and I think it&#039;s arguable whether they are seen as moreso than Black men or other men of color), but probably much more than women of color are at this point. Because you know what? There&#039;s a woman of color who is running for president, at least one and what do you hear or read about her? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Men of color obtained the right to vote in this country before women. The pecking order still persists. Unfortunately, things change slowly. A man of color will almost certainly be elected President before a woman will. It pisses me off, too. But in the overall scheme of things, it represents progress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure about this and I don&#039;t think you can base the probability on the history of the sufferage movements. I do think what men of color and women do in common is that whoever does get elected first (or possibly even simultaneously), most likely that person will be a Republican. There are also cases like with Obama of biracial or multi-racial candidates perhaps getting elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wouldn’t support racist treatment of Senator Obama; so why am I supposed to be okay with sexist treatment of Senator Clinton? I am not okay with it and I hope I never will be.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you do speak out against racist treatment of Obama when it happens, right? Because it happens. Where I work, we discuss the latest examples every day. And most of those I work with are women, not men. What else is interesting is how Black women in particular get rendered invisible when it comes to discussing the impact of the involvement of women in the Democratic campaign and election process. When most articles talk about the involvement of women, they talk about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s supporters and how an unprecedented number of women are involved solely because she&#8217;s running. Yet, buried in these same articles are references made that an unprecedented number of Black women in certain states but also overall are involving themselves in Obama campaign. They&#8217;re not viewed as &#8220;women&#8221; though by these articles and not really included as a focus because they&#8217;re not supporting or working for the female candidate. </p>
<p>The thing to do in this case is to write what&#8217;s truth, that an unprecedented number of women are getting involved in this year&#8217;s Democratic campaign and election process, regardless of what candidate they support. </p>
<blockquote><p>The US is falling behind many countries on how women are perceived as potential leaders, even Chile and Argentina are more progressive.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for those countries but the U.S. isn&#8217;t really progress in terms of how it sees men of color and women (incuding women of color) as potential leaders. After all, even though White women might not be seen as potential leaders to the extent of White men (and I think it&#8217;s arguable whether they are seen as moreso than Black men or other men of color), but probably much more than women of color are at this point. Because you know what? There&#8217;s a woman of color who is running for president, at least one and what do you hear or read about her? </p>
<blockquote><p>Men of color obtained the right to vote in this country before women. The pecking order still persists. Unfortunately, things change slowly. A man of color will almost certainly be elected President before a woman will. It pisses me off, too. But in the overall scheme of things, it represents progress.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about this and I don&#8217;t think you can base the probability on the history of the sufferage movements. I do think what men of color and women do in common is that whoever does get elected first (or possibly even simultaneously), most likely that person will be a Republican. There are also cases like with Obama of biracial or multi-racial candidates perhaps getting elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men of color obtained the right to vote in this country before women. The pecking order still persists. Unfortunately, things change slowly. A man of color will almost certainly be elected President before a woman will. It pisses me off, too. But in the overall scheme of things, it represents progress.
Unfortunately, Hillary carries history and baggage with her to the campaign. I am a native of Arkansas and have watched the Clintons for a long time. I voted for him. The reality is, in my opinion, she is unlikely to defeat McCain. Obama has a better shot for reasons about which I will not elaborate here. Getting the white house back is the most important thing right now. It will probably be a long time before  another viable female presidential candidate comes along. But, having said that, Obama arrived on the scene, and so may another strong female candidate. Let&#039;s hope so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men of color obtained the right to vote in this country before women. The pecking order still persists. Unfortunately, things change slowly. A man of color will almost certainly be elected President before a woman will. It pisses me off, too. But in the overall scheme of things, it represents progress.<br />
Unfortunately, Hillary carries history and baggage with her to the campaign. I am a native of Arkansas and have watched the Clintons for a long time. I voted for him. The reality is, in my opinion, she is unlikely to defeat McCain. Obama has a better shot for reasons about which I will not elaborate here. Getting the white house back is the most important thing right now. It will probably be a long time before  another viable female presidential candidate comes along. But, having said that, Obama arrived on the scene, and so may another strong female candidate. Let&#8217;s hope so!</p>
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