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	<title>Comments on: Chastity Clubs: Bringing the Hymens to Harvard Since 2001</title>
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		<title>By: sohbet chat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sohbet chat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good, thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good, thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Teenage French oysters perish from too much sex &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/31/chastity-clubs-bringing-the-hymens-to-harvard-since-2001/#comment-195030</link>
		<dc:creator>Teenage French oysters perish from too much sex &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that &#8220;true spawning waits&#8220;? Did you not know that each release of gametes is like a precious rose, and with every billion sperm or eggs you cast into the water column, a delicate petal is plucked? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that &#8220;true spawning waits&#8220;? Did you not know that each release of gametes is like a precious rose, and with every billion sperm or eggs you cast into the water column, a delicate petal is plucked? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sexless but Sexy&#8211;the new Virgin/Whore? Fuck No. &#171; S.N.O.B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sexless but Sexy&#8211;the new Virgin/Whore? Fuck No. &#171; S.N.O.B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great deal of these new-fangled chastity cheerleaders are doing. Because as Jessica Valenti said on Feminste blog: &#8221;You are not Gandhi or Nelson Mandela for choosing not to have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] great deal of these new-fangled chastity cheerleaders are doing. Because as Jessica Valenti said on Feminste blog: &#8221;You are not Gandhi or Nelson Mandela for choosing not to have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C.S. Lewiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S. Lewiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I haven&#039;t had my human dignity deeply compromised in a long time. And I need it, bad!&quot;

&quot;I hear you, dude! I sure could use some personal unhappiness and social harm right now!&quot;

Seriously, will certain people ever *grow up* about sex? (Not holding my breath).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I haven&#8217;t had my human dignity deeply compromised in a long time. And I need it, bad!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I hear you, dude! I sure could use some personal unhappiness and social harm right now!&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, will certain people ever *grow up* about sex? (Not holding my breath).</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent four years in Colorado Springs, and I&#039;ve been dating an ex-Fundamentalist who grew up there for a bit over that, and HAHAHA SHE THINKS NO TEENAGERS HAVE SEX THERE.

My boyfriend was a technical virgin until he got engaged (didn&#039;t quite wait for marriage), but he apparently made out with half the girls in his church youth group.  And the springs has plenty of not-so-pious college students and rebellious teenagers and technical-virgin Fundamentalists who stop just short of intercourse but otherwise have very little purity.

The Springs isn&#039;t more virginal than the rest of the country--it just likes to think it is.

(Personally, I&#039;m creeped out by people who find virginity alluring--it seems vaguely pedophilic or sadistic, depending on which aspect is attractive.)

That article is...not even attempting to be balanced.  And what&#039;s with describing Chen&#039;s eating  habits? HEDONISM IS BAD!  SHE ENJOYS FOOD OH NOES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent four years in Colorado Springs, and I&#8217;ve been dating an ex-Fundamentalist who grew up there for a bit over that, and HAHAHA SHE THINKS NO TEENAGERS HAVE SEX THERE.</p>
<p>My boyfriend was a technical virgin until he got engaged (didn&#8217;t quite wait for marriage), but he apparently made out with half the girls in his church youth group.  And the springs has plenty of not-so-pious college students and rebellious teenagers and technical-virgin Fundamentalists who stop just short of intercourse but otherwise have very little purity.</p>
<p>The Springs isn&#8217;t more virginal than the rest of the country&#8211;it just likes to think it is.</p>
<p>(Personally, I&#8217;m creeped out by people who find virginity alluring&#8211;it seems vaguely pedophilic or sadistic, depending on which aspect is attractive.)</p>
<p>That article is&#8230;not even attempting to be balanced.  And what&#8217;s with describing Chen&#8217;s eating  habits? HEDONISM IS BAD!  SHE ENJOYS FOOD OH NOES!</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
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		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And then maybe she’s trying to use religion and “purity” to reinforce her reason for staying a virgin, when the real reason is that she just isn’t that into sex?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s one possibility among many.  

Another possibility is that some people have other pressures/priorities in their lives that may preclude having sex.  In my case, having to maintain a certain GPA to maintain my scholarship as that was the only way I could attend college was more than enough to discourage any thoughts of dating, much less sex....especially when a few wealthier older cousins dropped out or were almost expelled for poor academic performance due to prioritizing partying, dating, and sex over their undergrad studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And then maybe she’s trying to use religion and “purity” to reinforce her reason for staying a virgin, when the real reason is that she just isn’t that into sex?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s one possibility among many.  </p>
<p>Another possibility is that some people have other pressures/priorities in their lives that may preclude having sex.  In my case, having to maintain a certain GPA to maintain my scholarship as that was the only way I could attend college was more than enough to discourage any thoughts of dating, much less sex&#8230;.especially when a few wealthier older cousins dropped out or were almost expelled for poor academic performance due to prioritizing partying, dating, and sex over their undergrad studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Danakitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danakitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else wondering if people who are this fanatical about chastity clubs &lt;em&gt;may not feel the same sexual urges others do?&lt;/em&gt; I mean... she could just be comparing her own sexual urges to others, and thinking that everyone else is over-sexualized, when in reality, she just doesn&#039;t feel the same way? 

And then maybe she&#039;s trying to use religion and &quot;purity&quot; to reinforce her reason for staying a virgin, when the real reason is that she just isn&#039;t that into sex? 

I mean, look back to when the author brings up her co-club member (Leo was it?) to Fredell, and she freaks out, like his urges are totally unnatural. 

Of course, I could be overanalyzing it, but it does sound to me like she probably just isn&#039;t into sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else wondering if people who are this fanatical about chastity clubs <em>may not feel the same sexual urges others do?</em> I mean&#8230; she could just be comparing her own sexual urges to others, and thinking that everyone else is over-sexualized, when in reality, she just doesn&#8217;t feel the same way? </p>
<p>And then maybe she&#8217;s trying to use religion and &#8220;purity&#8221; to reinforce her reason for staying a virgin, when the real reason is that she just isn&#8217;t that into sex? </p>
<p>I mean, look back to when the author brings up her co-club member (Leo was it?) to Fredell, and she freaks out, like his urges are totally unnatural. </p>
<p>Of course, I could be overanalyzing it, but it does sound to me like she probably just isn&#8217;t into sex.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two quick notes on the chastity clubs.

First, they privilege self-control and discipline over supposed biological imperatives when it is anti-sex (and therefore pleasing to them) and then denigrate free will when it is pro-sex (and therefore scary to them).  Hypocrisy!  To wit:  the chastity club argument believes that self-control and discipline are awesome when they overcome the human sex drive; but then they fear the oxytocin in their brains is going to bind them to sex partners beyond free will&#039;s capacity to overcome it.

Second, at least as presented in the essay, the chastity clubs are filled with Catholics obviously searching around for a ex post facto rational justification for an essentially religious commitment.

But hey, if it works for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quick notes on the chastity clubs.</p>
<p>First, they privilege self-control and discipline over supposed biological imperatives when it is anti-sex (and therefore pleasing to them) and then denigrate free will when it is pro-sex (and therefore scary to them).  Hypocrisy!  To wit:  the chastity club argument believes that self-control and discipline are awesome when they overcome the human sex drive; but then they fear the oxytocin in their brains is going to bind them to sex partners beyond free will&#8217;s capacity to overcome it.</p>
<p>Second, at least as presented in the essay, the chastity clubs are filled with Catholics obviously searching around for a ex post facto rational justification for an essentially religious commitment.</p>
<p>But hey, if it works for them.</p>
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		<title>By: bmc90</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmc90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I felt a little sorry for the Leo guy - fighting his totally normal urges in one of the more fluid social situations he will probably be in his entire life.  And now that he has politicized his sexuality, he&#039;d be Elliot Spitzered if he got caught going to third base!  I guess these folks don&#039;t get that it is perfectly possible to objectify one&#039;s spouse sexually, too (or hasn&#039;t anyone heard of Marla Maples in this crowd).  Anyway, it&#039;s a shame also that this entire debate seems to have been framed in such a Jerry Springer way - with the virgin character and the whore character reading from their scripts.  I suspect that the experience of the many serial monogomists who I am sure are on campus with those two &quot;stars&quot; of the show is stifled by a sense of what I consider normal discretion about one&#039;s personal life and that of one&#039;s intimate partner.  I&#039;m not getting up in some public forum and talking about how awesome sex with my boyfriend is and that even if we don&#039;t get married, it was a great experience to be in a relationship with him - and I can say that is true about my college boyfriend all these years down the road.  The idea that our relationship ruined anything in either of our lives is just beyond absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I felt a little sorry for the Leo guy &#8211; fighting his totally normal urges in one of the more fluid social situations he will probably be in his entire life.  And now that he has politicized his sexuality, he&#8217;d be Elliot Spitzered if he got caught going to third base!  I guess these folks don&#8217;t get that it is perfectly possible to objectify one&#8217;s spouse sexually, too (or hasn&#8217;t anyone heard of Marla Maples in this crowd).  Anyway, it&#8217;s a shame also that this entire debate seems to have been framed in such a Jerry Springer way &#8211; with the virgin character and the whore character reading from their scripts.  I suspect that the experience of the many serial monogomists who I am sure are on campus with those two &#8220;stars&#8221; of the show is stifled by a sense of what I consider normal discretion about one&#8217;s personal life and that of one&#8217;s intimate partner.  I&#8217;m not getting up in some public forum and talking about how awesome sex with my boyfriend is and that even if we don&#8217;t get married, it was a great experience to be in a relationship with him &#8211; and I can say that is true about my college boyfriend all these years down the road.  The idea that our relationship ruined anything in either of our lives is just beyond absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, how many times can you have sex with your wife before she’s no good anymore?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Over 20 years together and 15+ married, we&#039;ve lost count! ;) As I said yesterday to the husband, I&#039;m never gonna figure out how to fake an orgasm if it keeps being so much fun and so good every year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, how many times can you have sex with your wife before she’s no good anymore?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Over 20 years together and 15+ married, we&#8217;ve lost count! ;) As I said yesterday to the husband, I&#8217;m never gonna figure out how to fake an orgasm if it keeps being so much fun and so good every year&#8230;</p>
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